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Captain Alcatraz
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.11.23 04:05:00 -
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The new nebulas have potential, but like their predecessors they are ruined because of bad compression. They look like images from 1997. Instead of smooth color gradients, we get to see 8bit-like compression artifacts. The problem appears to be not so bad in empire where the space is colorful, but it jumps in our face in low/null sec, where there is color on a black space background, even more than on TQ.
The Cloud Ring seen from the Placid region looks like a tiled, striped 1kb 8-bit image. Go see for yourself CCP. Screenshot
I know that what we have in our Sisi client is a badly compressed version of your original renders, made so there is no performance loss compared to TQ. The problem is that TQ backgrounds were built for dinosaur computers, it's time to rise the standards. This is not 2003 CCP, high-res backgrounds are CAKE for 1-2gb video cards running 2 maxed settings clients at over 100 FPS, and would make the whole game look a lot better.
Please stop thinking for those who run EVE on Vic-20 and Voodoo video cards before those who have good rigs and want to enjoy the game at its full potential. Best case you make high-res backgrounds an option in the settings menu, or even an optional download patch, and everybody's happy. It would be a shame to waste such (potentialy) good work. |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2011.11.23 04:10:00 -
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Captain Alcatraz wrote:The new nebulas have potential, but like their predecessors they are ruined because of bad compression. They look like images from 1997. Instead of a smooth color gradients, we get to see terrible stripes of 8bit-like colors. The problem appears to be not so bad in empire where the space is colorful, but it jumps in our face in low/null sec, where there is color on a black space background, even more than on TQ. The Cloud Ring seen from the Placid region looks like a tiled, pixelated, striped 1kb 8-bit image. Go see for yourself CCP. Screenshot.I know that what we have in our Sisi client is a bad artifacted version of your original renders, made so there is not performance loss compared to TQ. The problem is that TQ backgrounds were built for dinosaur computers, it's time to rise the standards. This is not 2003 CCP, high-res backgrounds are CAKE for 1-2gb video cards running 2 maxed settings clients at over 100 FPS, and would make the whole game look a LOT better. Please stop thinking for those who run EVE on Vic-20 and Voodoo video cards before those who have good rigs and want to enjoy your game at its full potential. Best case you make high-res backgrounds an option in the settings menu, or even an optional download patch, and everybody's happy.
The Nebulas are beatiful, however, the res needs to be turned up a bit and the color banding needs to be turned down.
That said, its not bad in some areas. Cistuvert looks amazing and I think Placid looks amazing as well.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.11.23 05:30:00 -
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I wish I could "Like" this thread 50 times in one click. I agree completely. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.23 05:41:00 -
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They could use "optionality" in this too... that way everyone would be "happy"...
Esc Options: Use highres nebula backgrounds (X)
Fixed.
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COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc
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Posted - 2011.11.23 05:49:00 -
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Ditto, make it an optional download and optional setting for those who has more vram than 512MB to run this game with their hardware.
People nowdays have vram up to 2GB make use of it and let people have an option to get higher res nebulas and if possible textures. Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
125
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Posted - 2011.11.23 05:55:00 -
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Yea, I just hate the fact that EVE cant play up to graphical potential becasue the developers have to cater to players with inferior hardware. |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.23 05:56:00 -
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I think it's only in certain areas this is happening, cause in other areas it is almost photo realistic The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc
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Posted - 2011.11.23 06:14:00 -
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Headerman wrote:I think it's only in certain areas this is happening, cause in other areas it is almost photo realistic
You need to just zoom in a bit to spot the low res. Or even try it at high resolution, it looks bad when running Eyefinity for example. Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
107
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Posted - 2011.11.23 09:17:00 -
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Then you will have people who bought a NETbook last year to play eve (aka morons) complain that they and all of their friends will quit if CCP discontinues to cater their old hardware. |
Roffle Roffle
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 09:25:00 -
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Erm. How about making higher resolution backgrounds optional, just like high anti aliasing, resolution, effects, etc.? |
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Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.23 09:32:00 -
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COMM4NDER wrote:Headerman wrote:I think it's only in certain areas this is happening, cause in other areas it is almost photo realistic You need to just zoom in a bit to spot the low res. Or even try it at high resolution, it looks bad when running Eyefinity for example.
Well i have it running at 1920 x 1200... i think having the option to turn it on or off would depend on how ingrained it is on the server side. If it's an arbitrary feature, then it shouldn't be hard to implement...
edit: On the other hand, i think it would be a very bad idea to have a new feature than devs have been working hard on to implement suddenly be able to turn off. It's a new, fantasic feature that has a lot of backing from CCP. It's at the front and centre of this expansion. Down the road, it may get revised.
Just my opinion :) The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Artreju Woodsparrow
Ocean Eleven
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:36:00 -
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I have 60 fps at 1280x1024 full details if i get into some smoky area or nebulae my frames drop under 10 ^^, i have only 512MB VRAM, but i wold like to see some grafic improvements for background. If i have some free money maybe i get a newer one. But the freaking Graphic Cards use so much Power.... nvm
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I agree with ur suggestion, would be nice if we can get this |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:48:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:Then you will have people who bought a NETbook last year to play eve (aka morons) complain that they and all of their friends will quit if CCP discontinues to cater their old hardware. Just make it optional. Simple. |
COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:37:00 -
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Headerman wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:Headerman wrote:I think it's only in certain areas this is happening, cause in other areas it is almost photo realistic You need to just zoom in a bit to spot the low res. Or even try it at high resolution, it looks bad when running Eyefinity for example. Well i have it running at 1920 x 1200... i think having the option to turn it on or off would depend on how ingrained it is on the server side. If it's an arbitrary feature, then it shouldn't be hard to implement... edit: On the other hand, i think it would be a very bad idea to have a new feature than devs have been working hard on to implement suddenly be able to turn off. It's a new, fantasic feature that has a lot of backing from CCP. It's at the front and centre of this expansion. Down the road, it may get revised. Just my opinion :)
Well dont need a on/off switch just low med high. These are not serverside though otherwise you would need to download hell of data each time you jumped. This is client side and from what I speculate not hard to update or have an optional setting or download to have higher res. Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:36:00 -
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Posted this in the other thread:
Oberine Noriepa wrote:It would be great if everything received a quality boost. Compression is really noticeable at higher resolutions. Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Did I mention yet that the nebula's dark areas, the ones that are supposed to be unlit actually show the background stars?
Damn, someone messed up the alpha channels, ending up just turning black areas to transparent and now instead of dark dust obscuring stars they instead show everything behind. Yeah, this is something I'm a little disappointed with as well. The nebulae should look as how they're shown in this video. They should definitely possess some depth to them. It would be great if a someone on the dev team could inform us if anything is happening with the nebulae at present. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:43:00 -
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Captain Alcatraz wrote:The new nebulas have potential, but like their predecessors they are ruined because of bad compression. They look like images from 1997. Instead of smooth color gradients, we get to see 8bit-like compression artifacts. The problem appears to be not so bad in empire where the space is colorful, but it jumps in our face in low/null sec, where there is color on a black space background, even more than on TQ. The Cloud Ring seen from the Placid region looks like a tiled, striped 1kb 8-bit image. Go see for yourself CCP. ScreenshotI know that what we have in our Sisi client is a badly compressed version of your original renders, made so there is no performance loss compared to TQ. The problem is that TQ backgrounds were built for dinosaur computers, it's time to rise the standards. This is not 2003 CCP, high-res backgrounds are CAKE for 1-2gb video cards running 2 maxed settings clients at over 100 FPS, and would make the whole game look a lot better. Please stop thinking for those who run EVE on Vic-20 and Voodoo video cards before those who have good rigs and want to enjoy the game at its full potential. Best case you make high-res backgrounds an option in the settings menu, or even an optional download patch, and everybody's happy. It would be a shame to waste such (potentialy) good work. Completely agree. The 'edge of galaxy' nebula visible in 0.0 is especially bad at displaying banding.
CCP t0rfifrans, please make that 200MB optional package available for hi0rex nebulae! |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:46:00 -
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i also vote for the optional high res nebulae. might as well offer it if the PC's can take it. |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:46:00 -
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double post. hate these forums. |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:08:00 -
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Razin wrote:CCP t0rfifrans, please make that 200MB optional package available for hi0rex nebulae! Pretty sure it would be much larger than that, but I have no issues with this whatsoever. |
Captain Alcatraz
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:19:00 -
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Oberine Noriepa wrote:Razin wrote:CCP t0rfifrans, please make that 200MB optional package available for hi0rex nebulae! Pretty sure it would be much larger than that, but I have no issues with this whatsoever.
Exactly, it would be appreciated if CCP could let us know they are aware of this 'problem' and what they think of it. Please! |
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:20:00 -
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Oberine Noriepa wrote:Razin wrote:CCP t0rfifrans, please make that 200MB optional package available for hi0rex nebulae! Pretty sure it would be much larger than that, but I have no issues with this whatsoever. Yes, my mistake, looks like 200 meg is what we have now. The actual size for the optional download of uncompressed backgrounds was apparently estimated at around 2Gig. Here's the link for the statement.
I'm completely ok with that size download. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:31:00 -
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I still think there needs to be more than one backdrop per region. Some of the regions are just so large once-per-region don't make sense at all. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Captain Alcatraz
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:34:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:I still think there needs to be more than one backdrop per region. Some of the regions are just so large once-per-region don't make sense at all.
Indeed, one per constellation would be the best, but asking for high-res backgrounds and that is quite a lot, gotta start somewhere |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.11.23 21:45:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:I still think there needs to be more than one backdrop per region. Some of the regions are just so large once-per-region don't make sense at all. While I definitely do want this, I think baby steps are best advised right now. I wouldn't mind increasing granularity little by little for every expansion. Right now, however, I'm fine with being satisfied for better quality nebula maps than what we have now. |
Somal Thunder
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:25:00 -
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Oberine Noriepa wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:I still think there needs to be more than one backdrop per region. Some of the regions are just so large once-per-region don't make sense at all. While I definitely do want this, I think baby steps are best advised right now. I wouldn't mind increasing granularity little by little for every expansion. Right now, however, I'm fine with being satisfied for better quality nebula maps than what we have now.
I agree with this. Regardless of whether or not this is done with high priority or not, I definitely want to see high-quality backdrops in the foreseeable future. What I love about the game is that it gets more realistic every year. In the future, I envision that everything will be completely different. Just as everything is completely different now than it was in the beginning. |
Lek Arthie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:30:00 -
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This post has 26 likes. This shows how many people really want those uber duper nebulas that you and your uber duper computer want. Really, you dont have to be that selfish. Nebulas are already very nice and detailed. Color depth is a problem yes but i dont think it has to do with low end computers. Color depth doesn't have that much impact on performance. And you might not, but some people are involved in large fleet battles and in that fight every fps counts, and the last thing you care is a high detail nebula eating your fps. I prefer having all brackets on than having a uber detailed nebula.... I dont understand what kind of more detailed nebulas you want. Those are already like real photos from telescopes. Some people even think they are too bright. Any more detail i dont think will add realism.
Besides super high detail graphics are not what makes a game good. Imo adding direction to stargates and the appearance of nearby stars on background are way way way better and more realistic than high detail super nebulas. I can even live with old nebulas and have this new star system change. |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:03:00 -
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It's not that we're asking for more detail to be added, because the detail is already in the original cube maps. What we're asking for is cube maps with higher image quality. Look at the Crucible wallpapers. The nebulae in the game aren't as sharp as the nebulae in those wallpapers. If we can get in-game nebulae on par with those wallpapers, I will be satisfied.
CCP has worked long and hard on this project. I would think after such hard work, they would like their nebulae rendered in great quality. The current image quality of the nebulae holds them from displaying in their true greatness, in my opinion. |
COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc
43
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:30:00 -
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Lek Arthie wrote:This post has 26 likes. This shows how many people really want those uber duper nebulas that you and your uber duper computer want. Really, you dont have to be that selfish. Nebulas are already very nice and detailed. Color depth is a problem yes but i dont think it has to do with low end computers. Color depth doesn't have that much impact on performance. And you might not, but some people are involved in large fleet battles and in that fight every fps counts, and the last thing you care is a high detail nebula eating your fps. I prefer having all brackets on than having a uber detailed nebula.... I dont understand what kind of more detailed nebulas you want. Those are already like real photos from telescopes. Some people even think they are too bright. Any more detail i dont think will add realism.
Besides super high detail graphics are not what makes a game good. Imo adding direction to stargates and the appearance of nearby stars on background are way way way better and more realistic than high detail super nebulas. I can even live with old nebulas and have this new star system change.
No one is forcing you guys or other guys with lower or mid range computers to have everything on and on high settings. This is why people ask for options. An easy drop-down list (off, low , medium, high) or something less complex (off, low, high) meaning no compression or almost none when running high.
If this is a matter of client size, well let it be an optional download on the website that until you install it there will be no high setting or it will be greyed out.
And also since this is a compression issue not that higher settings don't exist I don't really see an issue.
Options instead of forcing people..... Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.11.24 07:43:00 -
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@ CCP:
I would pay, lets say a PLEX (Aurum equiv), for downloadble high res nebulae.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Moonaura
Swedish Aerospace Inc The Kadeshi
70
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:10:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:I still think there needs to be more than one backdrop per region. Some of the regions are just so large once-per-region don't make sense at all.
Newsflash: Space is big. Nebula's are also... big :)
Please note this image takes a LONG time to appear... because... space is big. :) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Orion_Nebula_-_Hubble_2006_mosaic_18000.jpg
But agree with the righteous demands for hi-res nebulas! I support the player bases war of terror!
EDIT: But wow... that is the universe we live in. The only image compression going on here are black holes :) |
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