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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:26:00 -
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Even if both got spammed or even just the one, id say a rematch, but its not my choice!
Hats off to both teams, espec Kozak you rule
Well done to Fix for stepping up.. your alright in my book
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Jezeret
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:28:00 -
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I agree, it's a pity if that happened since it was such a thoroughly enjoyable Tourny on the whole, everyone who stood up and took part should be proud.
If the final battle was ruined by idiots, I really hope they get a good long ban,
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Roxanna Kell
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:31:00 -
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Leon 026
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Leon 026 on 24/07/2006 00:37:59
Originally by: Gunstar Zero perfectly valid rocket crow setup
props to him for fighting in such a high pressure match
we both got convo spammed
Quote: 2006.07.23 23:29
Victim: Mr Fix Alliance: Ascendant Frontier Corp: VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. Destroyed: Crow System: RU-97T Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Gunstar Zero (laid the final blow) Security: 0.5 Alliance: Band of Brothers Corp: Reikoku Ship: Crow Weapon: Sabretooth Light Missile
Destroyed items:
Phalanx Rocket, Qty: 2985 (Cargo) Gremlin Rocket, Qty: 1957 (Cargo) Thorn Rocket, Qty: 1550 (Cargo) Small Armor Repairer II 125mm Railgun II Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 854 (Cargo) Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Power Diagnostic System II Cap Recharger II Thorn Rocket, Qty: 40
Yea, not sure where the *****ing and flaming that the guy had a 125mm rail came from. Its a standard rocket setup, not some off the wall railgun crow setup that people are imagining. -------------------------------
[ 2006.06.22 04:28:01 ] Leon 026 > My Crow dances like she's on ecstasy |
Medici
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera was anyone else expecting a 5 vs 5 inty fight? i was until the screen loaded, think it would of been a bit more exciting.
the whole eve-tv concept is a great one for future tournaments though and kudos to all those involved. Great entertainment!
Yeah I thought so too,5 v 5 inties would have been a bit more climatic,although I guess not everyone in the immediate teams is trained for them. Good fight,(crows chap my ass tho ) n.b can't wait for the next tourney and tier 3 goodness
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Luc Boye
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:45:00 -
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There was a lot of talk of TWD doing the fight for bob in taranis, in our alliance chats and by some commentators on evetv. So assuming that it was rocket crow vs taranis, that setup perfectly made sense.
So all the nubs can stop flaming the guy and go mine veldspar now :P
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Lorth
Synchro.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:47:00 -
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Its a shame there are enough lame people to convo spamm both the contestants...
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NIkis
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Luc Boye There was a lot of talk of TWD doing the fight for bob in taranis, in our alliance chats and by some commentators on evetv. So assuming that it was rocket crow vs taranis, that setup perfectly made sense.
So all the nubs can stop flaming the guy and go mine veldspar now :P
that assumption fails miserably when you start fight at 50km :) and yea damn it's worth mining veld lately prices gone way up
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Watonka
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:56:00 -
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OK... first of all... way to go AS and BOB to get this far... and BOB... that match where you came back with two ships vs 4 after one ship lost comms.. was awsome... But... i feel that CSP should call it a draw !!!! and both teams get the rewards...
to have a interceptor duel was lame... very lame CCP you suck on this one for a real battle ... they should have gone until they ran out of ammo or whatever.... but the single ship fight was pure lame !!!! Watonka
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Svett
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera Edited by: Hakera on 23/07/2006 23:59:30
Originally by: Ben Derindar
Originally by: RedClaws i heard he got spammed by convo requests and couldn't do anything
If that's true, then .
/Ben
that was what was reported (cant proove it anyway or or t'other myself, just relaying what was said), cyvok and fix are talking to ccp about it and is why fix never fired a shot of because he was client locked by the convo requests, but either way its still awesome to see ascn get as far as they did and that mc fight was awesome but se vs ascn was really nice to watch.
The BoB vs IAC was edge of the seat stuff though.
If he was locked up, he would not have been able to rep multiple times, like he did.
tinfoil hats anyone?
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Tipz NexAstrum
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:10:00 -
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That was like ending a tied Superbowl by having the kickers go out to the 45 yard line...
I salute both pilots, that's a heck of a lot of pressure to put on just two guys. The format could definatly use some tweaking, but the pilots performed admirably despite.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:22:00 -
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I can't help but laugh at all the nublets complaining about it being a boring fight and omg ASCN or BoB are lame for not bringing it.
If you'd watched every fight in the tournament and had half a clue then what on earth did you think was going to happen?
Of course boB would try and counter ASCN's close range set up, if you are saying we shouldn't have done that then you are seriously deficient in the logical thought department.
Of course ASCN would stick with the strategy that had worked for them and got them to the finals, why wouldn't they and what would they have done differently? Fielded an entirely different selection of ships and strategy against BoB in the Alliance Tournament final? Are you mad?
So it was a clash of styles and philosophies, big deal. We had fantastic entertainment in so many of the other fights and two different but almost perfect strategies met in the final, big deal.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Virtuozzo
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:30:00 -
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Convo spam was nutty, frankly jsut beyond words.
As for the rest, until the decision came in to fix it with a ceptor duel I'd say BOB and ASCN beat CCP here, both doing the math and setting up a balance for themselves and against themselves using what CCP has designed. Effectively hitting the wall of balance, with only the human factor being a remaining variable - but as pointed out earlier except for one brief moment that was just as balanced.
Kudos for posting the killmail btw, that torpedos the "rail crow" crap set in motion by one of the commentators and followed suit by folks not willing or able to look for themselves perfectly.
I too wish there had been a bit more action :P But all teams in this tournament went for the perfect fit to achieve their goals, in all honesty it is not really a surprise that it ended up as a stalemate. After all with the teams doing the best math it was inclined to end up meeting the holy grail of EVE in design features: balance. I know, some human factors, but still.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Ashis
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 24/07/2006 01:44:23 Although the ASCN pilot deserved a better test of his skill, and the BoB pilot deserved a less-tarnished victory (Respect to them both) -
It's fitting for the second alliance championship to be won through an exploitation of game mechanic.
Better then any other match, this victory best mirrors the reality of what it takes to win in EvE today.
(I'm not saying it was BoB exploiting - no way, no how - more likely the many people that would have lost betting money ;)
Congrats to all - and thanks for all the entertainment! __________
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War Target
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:47:00 -
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Why are people flaming the guy in the rail crow blah blah blah...
Because the comentators started the ripping the guy for OMG a RAIL CROW demostrating their ignorance once again.
If the ASCN guy got spammed there should be a rematch and if it was BoB members who did it ASCN should just have the tittle handed to them.
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Jezeret
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:54:00 -
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It wasn't Bob spamming, since they got spammed too, sounds like just some third party morons.
The commentators screwed up there, I'll admit, but for the main part I though they did a pretty good job :)
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.24 02:50:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Avon Auto-Reject ON
Don't leave home without it.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.24 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight I can't help but laugh at all the nublets complaining about it being a boring fight and omg ASCN or BoB are lame for not bringing it.
If you'd watched every fight in the tournament and had half a clue then what on earth did you think was going to happen?
Of course boB would try and counter ASCN's close range set up, if you are saying we shouldn't have done that then you are seriously deficient in the logical thought department.
Of course ASCN would stick with the strategy that had worked for them and got them to the finals, why wouldn't they and what would they have done differently? Fielded an entirely different selection of ships and strategy against BoB in the Alliance Tournament final? Are you mad?
So it was a clash of styles and philosophies, big deal. We had fantastic entertainment in so many of the other fights and two different but almost perfect strategies met in the final, big deal.
I can't help but wonder hwo they would've done if they had swapped to rail setups though. How heavy were your tanks?
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.24 03:23:00 -
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just my opinion but i don't think this was an obvious end
MC imo had the firepower and the defence to beat both teams, it lacked the adaptation to face ASCN strategy and that leaded to their defeat.
for what i saw BoB had not a huge firepower and even in the last match of qualifications it had a bit more troubles than anticipated.
imo both teams had a bit of luck to meet opponent suited for their combat strategy, so is not that this kind of final was so obvious.
i don't want to diminuish the value of both teams, in the end i think they earned the right to the final, but as said the strategies they used where not the only viable ones.
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Danari
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.24 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera was anyone else expecting a 5 vs 5 inty fight? i was until the screen loaded, think it would of been a bit more exciting.
Imagine the nailbiting tension of 5 consecutive 1-1's -- USING MEMBERS OF THE TEAMS. This would more closely model the FIFA format that was clearly the inspiration for this event. The single 1-1 duel was more Aaron Burr vs. Alexander Hamilton than a 'shootout'.
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CYVOK
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 03:26:00 -
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I think the final (5 v 5) battle was completely awesome. It totally showed on that small screen the difference in philosophy between BoB and ASCN.
BoB are AWESOME fighters (the IAC match it total proof) & ASCN are AWESOME defenders when it comes to the EvE Universe.
It was sweet that the final battle was between these 2 completely opposite schools of thought. It was an honor for ASCN to face BoB in the final battle regardless of the out come, most never thought our team would make it past round 1.
Everyone in ASCN chipped in to make sure our guys had what they needed to win, and in my mind, taking damage from a group of the most gifted PvPers in the game for 30 minutes and surviving is a win.
The final ceptor battle was a bit disappointing for both sides I think. But a valid coin toss none the less. We pulled Mr Fix off his game with no notice and tossed together what we could. BoB had a more effective set up, plain and simple. Mr Fix is one of the best 1 on 1 PvPers in EvE and anyone that thinks they are "safe" when he enters local because of what happened in this turney... well... I'm sorry for your loss, by the time your done with that thought, Ur Toast!
Congratulations to BoB and everyone that took part in the turney. It was a great event, I was very impressed that CCP/ISD ectą. did such a great job this time around.
Oh yeah... to those that said it would be nice for ASCN & BoB to get a mother ship, no worries. We have one already and 2 more in the oven.
Hopefully the next turney will be just as exciting as this one was.
Thank you CCP/ISD, MC, BoB and all the rest. We had a great time. -CYVOK-
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Derrios
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Posted - 2006.07.24 04:13:00 -
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That was a very good fight Gunstar, congrats on your stellar victory :)
and minor props to ASCN for making it past MC. That was a crap shoot if I ever saw one.
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CamMan
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 05:39:00 -
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Congratulatins ASCN in making it to the final, your team balance was brilliant to get that far and it was great to see a non -caldari line up get that far, and what a brilliant tnak you guys had.
As for all the nublets complaining about the set up of the crow that ASCN used, it was a good setup for a rocket crow. They assumed we were going to use a ranis, and there was intense discussion in our alliance IRC channel about what to use. It was either going to be TWD in a ranis, or gunstar zero in a crow. So ASCN was almost correct.
But in an interceptor duel with no warping out, really what can beat a crow doing 11km/s with standard launchers and a target painter? BoB had won that interceptor duel before the first shot was fired, just by the better setup.
A little piece of advice for ASCN, your killboards gave your setup away, making our ranis/crow decision very easy when we saw who was fighting for you.
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Klorthos
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Posted - 2006.07.24 06:30:00 -
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ccp should of done the overtime match like this : frigate vs frigate destroyer vs destroyer crusier vs crusier bc vs bc bs vs bs
all one on one fights with first winning 3 of the 5 winning the final bout. ships used for overtime fights would have to be set up as they were for final fight.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.24 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: CamMan
As for all the nublets complaining about the set up of the crow that ASCN used, it was a good setup for a rocket crow. They assumed we were going to use a ranis, and there was intense discussion in our alliance IRC channel about what to use. It was either going to be TWD in a ranis, or gunstar zero in a crow. So ASCN was almost correct.
Ok, call me nublet, but i will argue. Close range crow will still lose to blasterranis. Because he had only 1 web, and filled slot with cap recharger. After taranis will be in-range (and with 1 web he`ll be there soon) - he`ll eat crow in 10 seconds.
Originally by: CamMan
But in an interceptor duel with no warping out, really what can beat a crow doing 11km/s with standard launchers and a target painter? BoB had won that interceptor duel before the first shot was fired, just by the better setup.
Actually its draw. You don`t need to do anything, since t1 light missiles having bad explosion velocity. Just orbit, hit mwd, and enjoy damages, that unable to penetrate your shield.
My congratulations for BoB team. You, guys, truly deserved that victory (match with IAC = \o/).
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j0sephine
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 07:12:00 -
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"Ok, call me nublet, but i will argue. Close range crow will still lose to blasterranis. Because he had only 1 web, and filled slot with cap recharger. After taranis will be in-range (and with 1 web he`ll be there soon) - he`ll eat crow in 10 seconds."
Right, because day after day in every 1v1 encounter in EVE when single web + scrambler rocket crow meets blaster 'ranis, then it's _always_ the Crow that bites the dust.
Please :|
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.24 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Right, because day after day in every 1v1 encounter in EVE when single web + scrambler rocket crow meets blaster 'ranis, then it's _always_ the Crow that bites the dust.
Please :|
Depends on many factors. But i`d bet on taranis with 2 webs.
Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE. |
Top Hat
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Top Hat on 24/07/2006 07:42:48
Originally by: Svett
If he was locked up, he would not have been able to rep multiple times, like he did.
tinfoil hats anyone?
QFT.
Anyway was a fun tournament to watch, shame the semi's > final, but hey, its not like ASCN coulda done anything during the final what with being webbed so far away.
Bring on the next tournament!
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Medici
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: j0sephine
Right, because day after day in every 1v1 encounter in EVE when single web + scrambler rocket crow meets blaster 'ranis, then it's _always_ the Crow that bites the dust.
Please :|
Depends on many factors. But i`d bet on taranis with 2 webs.
Your saying a ranis could catch a 8000m/s Crow? Not sure myself,thought ranis had a lower base speed and more mass?
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Dyanmo
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:22:00 -
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rocket crow needs to come in close...
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