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M00dy
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:22:00 -
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The match was over before it even started. BoB switched ships from the Scimitar to the Hugin. Keeping ASCN from doing any dmg what so ever. What an anit-cimatic fight. Oh well. The two Semi-final fights were enjoyable.
I was really hoping BoB would lose.
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Chinger
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:32:00 -
[2]
Well, i guess itll be interceptor duels, the way this is going.
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Varia Net
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Varia Net on 23/07/2006 22:35:07
Won't the cnr&co run out of missiles? 
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Ripline
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:37:00 -
[4]
Congratulations to boring ol' bastards for teh win or something. Death through boredom.
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Covaenda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:39:00 -
[5]
Wish the iac vs bob had been the final, this is a slow grind that achive nothing.
It reminds me far to much about t2 sniping, boring 
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Mariko San
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:41:00 -
[6]
Extending the time clearly favours Bob who may be able to get a lucky hit and break a tank, both teams are to blame for the stalemate here, lets not favour one side over the other.
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Rockpounder
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:43:00 -
[7]
T2 ammo next time pls
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Vetraband
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:47:00 -
[8]
:) ascn FTW!!!!!! nice teamwork and defending .... kick the sluggers butts :)
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StiZum Hilidii
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:50:00 -
[9]
inty fight should be funny
FREE PERSON OF EARTH AGAINST EVE IN COMMUNIST CHINA
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Vetraband
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:54:00 -
[10]
got to be an improvement on the slugfest we have had to watch so far ... bob almost got through the ascn at one point but they managed to pull it back very well .... musta been very frustrateing for bob ... just wish ascn had fired a since shot back at bob 
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Dyanmo
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:55:00 -
[11]
 Originally by: Covaenda
Wish the iac vs bob had been the final, this is a slow grind that achive nothing.
It reminds me far to much about t2 sniping, boring
That's right, ASCN just relying on their tank and on the Inty duels...
BoB VS IAC in Finals would've been lots more interesting.
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Bluestealth
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:57:00 -
[12]
OMG I almost fell asleep again, feel asleep during an alliance op because of the ASCN vs. Red Skull earlier. Thank you for putting an end to this madness, wait to see a proper fight in a bit.
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Mariko San
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Posted - 2006.07.23 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mariko San on 23/07/2006 23:00:28
Originally by: Dyanmo
That's right, ASCN just relying on their tank and on the Inty duels...
BoB VS IAC in Finals would've been lots more interesting.
You could just as easily say "Bob just relying on their webber and on inty duels"
Plus I expect there are many more Bob pilots with full set of pirate implants etc. than there are ASCN pilots, so this is much more in Bobs interests than ASCN tbh I believe.
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Dracolich
North Star Networks
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:00:00 -
[14]
I can only see Bob winning this one(inty fight).
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Streetrip
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:00:00 -
[15]
So *who* exactly do you think the inty pilots will be? ANYONE in the alliances can be fielded with their inty?
I dont know anyone in ASCN personally but i do know BoB have my former corp mate, Lukec and i know he is probably the best inty pilot i know. It'll definately turn out to be an intresting final i can imagine.
If Lukec is fielded then my isk is on BoB
If someone else then i would 'like' ASCN to win cos face it...BoB dont need more motherships! They're already getting an avatar (look at the t-shirt)
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Vetraband
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:00:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Mariko San
Originally by: Dyanmo
That's right, ASCN just relying on their tank and on the Inty duels...
BoB VS IAC in Finals would've been lots more interesting.
You could just as easily say "Bob just relying on their webber and on inty duels"
 very valid point
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Chinger
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:01:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Mariko San
Originally by: Dyanmo
That's right, ASCN just relying on their tank and on the Inty duels...
BoB VS IAC in Finals would've been lots more interesting.
You could just as easily say "Bob just relying on their webber and on inty duels"
eh not so much though, BoB was actually shooting.
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Bluestealth
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:05:00 -
[18]
Hmmm.... omg did he just say he would use an Amarr inty?
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Mariko San
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:06:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Chinger
Originally by: Mariko San
Originally by: Dyanmo
That's right, ASCN just relying on their tank and on the Inty duels...
BoB VS IAC in Finals would've been lots more interesting.
You could just as easily say "Bob just relying on their webber and on inty duels"
eh not so much though, BoB was actually shooting.
Bob were only ones shooting cos they kept ASCN at range with the webber, by taking the Hugin ship they decided that this would likely go the distance and to ceptor fight.
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Vetraband
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:09:00 -
[20]
Crow everytime for me
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Dyanmo
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:12:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Mariko San
Originally by: Chinger
Originally by: Mariko San
Originally by: Dyanmo
That's right, ASCN just relying on their tank and on the Inty duels...
BoB VS IAC in Finals would've been lots more interesting.
You could just as easily say "Bob just relying on their webber and on inty duels"
eh not so much though, BoB was actually shooting.
Bob were only ones shooting cos they kept ASCN at range with the webber, by taking the Hugin ship they decided that this would likely go the distance and to ceptor fight.
ASCN descided for inty fight from the moment they kept the Fitting/Ships...
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Chinger
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:14:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Mariko San
Originally by: Chinger
Originally by: Mariko San
Originally by: Dyanmo
That's right, ASCN just relying on their tank and on the Inty duels...
BoB VS IAC in Finals would've been lots more interesting.
You could just as easily say "Bob just relying on their webber and on inty duels"
eh not so much though, BoB was actually shooting.
Bob were only ones shooting cos they kept ASCN at range with the webber, by taking the Hugin ship they decided that this would likely go the distance and to ceptor fight.
Ya but by keeping them at range BoB didnt have to worry so much about tanking and could focus their attention on attacking.
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Audrea
Widowmakers
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:14:00 -
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I dont think it was THAT bad, dont forget the split second that BoB almost broke the tank on the Eris!
It was part of their tactic - going through all ships, trying to find weakness, as well as suddenly chaning primary to try and break tank quickly.
Its all was tactics too!
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Bluestealth
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:14:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Bluestealth on 23/07/2006 23:15:39
double post 4TL :(
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Bluestealth
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:15:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Dyanmo
Originally by: Mariko San
Originally by: Chinger
Originally by: Mariko San
Originally by: Dyanmo
That's right, ASCN just relying on their tank and on the Inty duels...
BoB VS IAC in Finals would've been lots more interesting.
You could just as easily say "Bob just relying on their webber and on inty duels"
eh not so much though, BoB was actually shooting.
Bob were only ones shooting cos they kept ASCN at range with the webber, by taking the Hugin ship they decided that this would likely go the distance and to ceptor fight.
ASCN descided for inty fight from the moment they kept the Fitting/Ships...
After the previous two fights did you really think BoB would not field a huginn?
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Dyanmo
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:16:00 -
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BoB Actually Tried....
ASCN hasn't !
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Hando Gin
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:20:00 -
[27]
BoBs strat = Pound and Blast and pound some more
ASCN's strat = tank and make em come in close then wipe em out
bobs responce = nothing
result = stalemate
failure goes to bob
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Chinger
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:22:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Hando Gin
BoBs strat = Pound and Blast and pound some more
ASCN's strat = tank and make em come in close then wipe em out
bobs responce = nothing
result = stalemate
failure goes to bob
Somewhat agree but there really wasnt a whole lot BoB could do
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Neifile
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:24:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Hando Gin
ASCN's strat = tank and make em come in close then wipe em out
Explain to me at which point exactly ASCN tried to force the BoB team to come close.
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M00dy
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:30:00 -
[30]
So embarrassing.
Light missile crow vs rail crow.
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Brian Detaah
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:31:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Hando Gin
BoBs strat = Pound and Blast and pound some more
ASCN's strat = tank and make em come in close then wipe em out
bobs responce = nothing
result = stalemate
failure goes to bob
What insightful thoughts! Im sure teh uber strat for ascn was to hope that Bob would move their longrange ship that do the exact same dmg over range as close
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:31:00 -
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Darkon Gatland
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:35:00 -
[33]
What the ****?
How... why... who?
I dunno i stayed up this **** 
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:37:00 -
[34]
Was that even a Crow for ASCN or was it maybe a Raptor? Quality was to low for me to tell and the Commentors cant even tell a shuttle from a space station at times...
And why the heck did ASCN pretty much just throw the fight :(
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M00dy
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:38:00 -
[35]
Okay okay.
It was a rocket crow vs a light missile crow.
Still embarrassing. Light missile crow is the only thing to take to a Inty duel.
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hired goon
Fate.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:39:00 -
[36]
Why didn't the ascn one shoot or move?
-omg-
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RedClaws
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:42:00 -
[37]
i heard he got spammed by convo requests and couldn't do anything
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ching'sta
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:42:00 -
[38]
was that some kind of protest from ascn?
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NIkis
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:42:00 -
[39]
sheesh i lost some money on a bet concerning this final inty duel
gotta say that ASCN strategy sucked bigtime :/
expected a bit more...
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Mariko San
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:42:00 -
[40]
Why is it embaressing - a better set up ceptor won - wow how often does that happen? eerrr like 100 times a day?
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hired goon
Fate.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:44:00 -
[41]
I heard he thought he activated a raptor, and didn't realize until the match started.
-omg-
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Zarlak
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:44:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Zarlak on 23/07/2006 23:44:40
lol railgun crow is embarresing, like the commentator said, it took 15 mins to come up with that?
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Lexa A
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:45:00 -
[43]
Give the guy a break ffs, yeah he could of had a diferent setup, but maybe he was trying something.
All the idiots giveing him lip just layoff if you dident like it or think you could do better get up there and fight next Comp
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Krunchus eXus
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:45:00 -
[44]
Yup, spammed by convo requests from start to finish ... guy didn't have chance to set auto-ignore (and there's no reason to have had it set before hand, and I doubt anyone thought to mention it for the duel) :/
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:47:00 -
[45]
Why did I stay up 2 hours after the IAC vs BoB fight for that pathetic display?
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Ethan Tomlinson
Flashman Services
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:47:00 -
[46]
the ascn was just a standard close range crow with average speed and a tank but very nice short range dmg vs. gunstar zero in a very fast crow with moderate dmg and a target painter to insure his missiles did damage. The ascn had to get his target webbed and he couldn't do it because of speed so bob guy just sat outside his targeting range and pounded on him. since bob guy had no tank he woulda died pretty easily had he not been skilled enough to stay outa web range on the first pass.
Kinda a ****ty ending but oh well
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Mariko San
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:47:00 -
[47]
Originally by: hired goon
I heard he thought he activated a raptor, and didn't realize until the match started.
the guy has over 1000 kills in a crow (a ton of them against your alliance mates so if he is a nub what does that make u guys?)
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:54:00 -
[48]
Originally by: RedClaws
i heard he got spammed by convo requests and couldn't do anything
If that's true, then  .
/Ben
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:57:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Krunchus eXus
Yup, spammed by convo requests from start to finish ... guy didn't have chance to set auto-ignore (and there's no reason to have had it set before hand, and I doubt anyone thought to mention it for the duel) :/
Meh, people can be so retarded sometimes.
If that's true there should be a rematch.
That's BS.
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Leon 026
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:58:00 -
[50]
Props to the better kitted light missile crow.
Regardless of who won, convo invite spam in the middle of a duel is incredibly lame.
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Hakera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:59:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Hakera on 23/07/2006 23:59:30
Originally by: Ben Derindar
Originally by: RedClaws
i heard he got spammed by convo requests and couldn't do anything
If that's true, then .
/Ben
that was what was reported (cant proove it anyway or or t'other myself, just relaying what was said), cyvok and fix are talking to ccp about it and is why fix never fired a shot of because he was client locked by the convo requests, but either way its still awesome to see ascn get as far as they did and that mc fight was awesome but se vs ascn was really nice to watch.
The BoB vs IAC was edge of the seat stuff though.
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hired goon
Fate.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:00:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Mariko San
Originally by: hired goon
I heard he thought he activated a raptor, and didn't realize until the match started.
the guy has over 1000 kills in a crow (a ton of them against your alliance mates so if he is a nub what does that make u guys?)
LOL!
Argh! My feelings! :(
-omg-
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Ominus Decre
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:02:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Krunchus eXus
Yup, spammed by convo requests from start to finish ... guy didn't have chance to set auto-ignore (and there's no reason to have had it set before hand, and I doubt anyone thought to mention it for the duel) :/
Meh, people can be so retarded sometimes.
If that's true there should be a rematch.
That's BS.
The outcome was a win for BoB. If such a thing did happen I'm sure it would be investigated.
Other wise, I enjoyed it all and ASCN rocks!!
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Mariko San
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:02:00 -
[54]
Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: Mariko San
Originally by: hired goon
I heard he thought he activated a raptor, and didn't realize until the match started.
the guy has over 1000 kills in a crow (a ton of them against your alliance mates so if he is a nub what does that make u guys?)
LOL!
Argh! My feelings! :(
There, there dont cry. Here is a cookie for you.
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Isolda Kargil
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:05:00 -
[55]
Nobody of you guys noticed BoB's Crow running a sensor booster? With the right missile skills that can mean ASCN's Rocket Crow never managed to get a lock on, all while BoB could safely pound away. Or did I misinterpret the range the fight was fought at? Kinda difficult to guess the range from the vid feed (couldn't read numbers too well).
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Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:06:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Krunchus eXus
Yup, spammed by convo requests from start to finish ... guy didn't have chance to set auto-ignore (and there's no reason to have had it set before hand, and I doubt anyone thought to mention it for the duel) :/
Meh, people can be so retarded sometimes.
If that's true there should be a rematch.
That's BS.
It would rather depend who sent the spam.
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:11:00 -
[57]
perfectly valid rocket crow setup
props to him for fighting in such a high pressure match
we both got convo spammed
Quote:
2006.07.23 23:29
Victim: Mr Fix
Alliance: Ascendant Frontier
Corp: VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
Destroyed: Crow
System: RU-97T
Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Gunstar Zero (laid the final blow)
Security: 0.5
Alliance: Band of Brothers
Corp: Reikoku
Ship: Crow
Weapon: Sabretooth Light Missile
Destroyed items:
Phalanx Rocket, Qty: 2985 (Cargo)
Gremlin Rocket, Qty: 1957 (Cargo)
Thorn Rocket, Qty: 1550 (Cargo)
Small Armor Repairer II
125mm Railgun II
Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 854 (Cargo)
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Power Diagnostic System II
Cap Recharger II
Thorn Rocket, Qty: 40
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Hakera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:17:00 -
[58]
was anyone else expecting a 5 vs 5 inty fight? i was until the screen loaded, think it would of been a bit more exciting.
the whole eve-tv concept is a great one for future tournaments though and kudos to all those involved. Great entertainment!
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Heintron
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:19:00 -
[59]
If it¦s true they should do a rematch. Even if the bob guy had better fitting the ascn guy didnt have a chance at all. I dont think ccp wants to have this kind of thing as a legal way of winning a pvp battle especially not in a high profile tournament.
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ragewind
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:24:00 -
[60]
i do hope all that spamed both player are not reciveing nice long bans for being retartds
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:26:00 -
[61]
Even if both got spammed or even just the one, id say a rematch, but its not my choice!
Hats off to both teams, espec Kozak you rule
Well done to Fix for stepping up.. your alright in my book
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Jezeret
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:28:00 -
[62]
I agree, it's a pity if that happened since it was such a thoroughly enjoyable Tourny on the whole, everyone who stood up and took part should be proud.
If the final battle was ruined by idiots, I really hope they get a good long ban,
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Roxanna Kell
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:31:00 -
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Leon 026
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:38:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Leon 026 on 24/07/2006 00:37:59
Originally by: Gunstar Zero
perfectly valid rocket crow setup
props to him for fighting in such a high pressure match
we both got convo spammed
Quote:
2006.07.23 23:29
Victim: Mr Fix
Alliance: Ascendant Frontier
Corp: VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
Destroyed: Crow
System: RU-97T
Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Gunstar Zero (laid the final blow)
Security: 0.5
Alliance: Band of Brothers
Corp: Reikoku
Ship: Crow
Weapon: Sabretooth Light Missile
Destroyed items:
Phalanx Rocket, Qty: 2985 (Cargo)
Gremlin Rocket, Qty: 1957 (Cargo)
Thorn Rocket, Qty: 1550 (Cargo)
Small Armor Repairer II
125mm Railgun II
Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 854 (Cargo)
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Power Diagnostic System II
Cap Recharger II
Thorn Rocket, Qty: 40
Yea, not sure where the *****ing and flaming that the guy had a 125mm rail came from. Its a standard rocket setup, not some off the wall railgun crow setup that people are imagining.
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Medici
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:41:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Hakera
was anyone else expecting a 5 vs 5 inty fight? i was until the screen loaded, think it would of been a bit more exciting.
the whole eve-tv concept is a great one for future tournaments though and kudos to all those involved. Great entertainment!
Yeah I thought so too,5 v 5 inties would have been a bit more climatic,although I guess not everyone in the immediate teams is trained for them.
Good fight,(crows chap my ass tho )
n.b can't wait for the next tourney and tier 3 goodness
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Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:45:00 -
[66]
There was a lot of talk of TWD doing the fight for bob in taranis, in our alliance chats and by some commentators on evetv.
So assuming that it was rocket crow vs taranis, that setup perfectly made sense.
So all the nubs can stop flaming the guy and go mine veldspar now :P
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Lorth
Synchro.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:47:00 -
[67]
Its a shame there are enough lame people to convo spamm both the contestants...
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NIkis
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:54:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Luc Boye
There was a lot of talk of TWD doing the fight for bob in taranis, in our alliance chats and by some commentators on evetv.
So assuming that it was rocket crow vs taranis, that setup perfectly made sense.
So all the nubs can stop flaming the guy and go mine veldspar now :P
that assumption fails miserably when you start fight at 50km :)
and yea damn it's worth mining veld lately prices gone way up
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Watonka
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:56:00 -
[69]
OK...
first of all... way to go AS and BOB to get this far...
and BOB... that match where you came back with two ships vs 4 after one ship lost comms.. was awsome...
But... i feel that CSP should call it a draw !!!!
and both teams get the rewards...
to have a interceptor duel was lame... very lame
CCP you suck on this one
for a real battle ... they should have gone until they ran out of ammo or whatever....
but the single ship fight was pure lame !!!!
Watonka
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Svett
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:05:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Hakera
Edited by: Hakera on 23/07/2006 23:59:30
Originally by: Ben Derindar
Originally by: RedClaws
i heard he got spammed by convo requests and couldn't do anything
If that's true, then .
/Ben
that was what was reported (cant proove it anyway or or t'other myself, just relaying what was said), cyvok and fix are talking to ccp about it and is why fix never fired a shot of because he was client locked by the convo requests, but either way its still awesome to see ascn get as far as they did and that mc fight was awesome but se vs ascn was really nice to watch.
The BoB vs IAC was edge of the seat stuff though.
If he was locked up, he would not have been able to rep multiple times, like he did.
tinfoil hats anyone?
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Tipz NexAstrum
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:10:00 -
[71]
That was like ending a tied Superbowl by having the kickers go out to the 45 yard line...
I salute both pilots, that's a heck of a lot of pressure to put on just two guys. The format could definatly use some tweaking, but the pilots performed admirably despite.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:22:00 -
[72]
I can't help but laugh at all the nublets complaining about it being a boring fight and omg ASCN or BoB are lame for not bringing it.
If you'd watched every fight in the tournament and had half a clue then what on earth did you think was going to happen?
Of course boB would try and counter ASCN's close range set up, if you are saying we shouldn't have done that then you are seriously deficient in the logical thought department.
Of course ASCN would stick with the strategy that had worked for them and got them to the finals, why wouldn't they and what would they have done differently? Fielded an entirely different selection of ships and strategy against BoB in the Alliance Tournament final? Are you mad?
So it was a clash of styles and philosophies, big deal. We had fantastic entertainment in so many of the other fights and two different but almost perfect strategies met in the final, big deal.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Virtuozzo
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:30:00 -
[73]
Convo spam was nutty, frankly jsut beyond words.
As for the rest, until the decision came in to fix it with a ceptor duel I'd say BOB and ASCN beat CCP here, both doing the math and setting up a balance for themselves and against themselves using what CCP has designed. Effectively hitting the wall of balance, with only the human factor being a remaining variable - but as pointed out earlier except for one brief moment that was just as balanced.
Kudos for posting the killmail btw, that torpedos the "rail crow" crap set in motion by one of the commentators and followed suit by folks not willing or able to look for themselves perfectly.
I too wish there had been a bit more action :P But all teams in this tournament went for the perfect fit to achieve their goals, in all honesty it is not really a surprise that it ended up as a stalemate. After all with the teams doing the best math it was inclined to end up meeting the holy grail of EVE in design features: balance.
I know, some human factors, but still.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Ashis
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:44:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Ashis on 24/07/2006 01:44:23
Although the ASCN pilot deserved a better test of his skill, and the BoB pilot deserved a less-tarnished victory (Respect to them both) -
It's fitting for the second alliance championship to be won through an exploitation of game mechanic.
Better then any other match, this victory best mirrors the reality of what it takes to win in EvE today.
(I'm not saying it was BoB exploiting - no way, no how - more likely the many people that would have lost betting money ;)
Congrats to all - and thanks for all the entertainment!
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War Target
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:47:00 -
[75]
Why are people flaming the guy in the rail crow blah blah blah...
Because the comentators started the ripping the guy for OMG a RAIL CROW demostrating their ignorance once again.
If the ASCN guy got spammed there should be a rematch and if it was BoB members who did it ASCN should just have the tittle handed to them.
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Jezeret
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:54:00 -
[76]
It wasn't Bob spamming, since they got spammed too, sounds like just some third party morons.
The commentators screwed up there, I'll admit, but for the main part I though they did a pretty good job :)
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.24 02:50:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Avon
Auto-Reject ON
Don't leave home without it.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.24 02:56:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Blacklight
I can't help but laugh at all the nublets complaining about it being a boring fight and omg ASCN or BoB are lame for not bringing it.
If you'd watched every fight in the tournament and had half a clue then what on earth did you think was going to happen?
Of course boB would try and counter ASCN's close range set up, if you are saying we shouldn't have done that then you are seriously deficient in the logical thought department.
Of course ASCN would stick with the strategy that had worked for them and got them to the finals, why wouldn't they and what would they have done differently? Fielded an entirely different selection of ships and strategy against BoB in the Alliance Tournament final? Are you mad?
So it was a clash of styles and philosophies, big deal. We had fantastic entertainment in so many of the other fights and two different but almost perfect strategies met in the final, big deal.
I can't help but wonder hwo they would've done if they had swapped to rail setups though. How heavy were your tanks?
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.24 03:23:00 -
[79]
just my opinion but i don't think this was an obvious end
MC imo had the firepower and the defence to beat both teams, it lacked the adaptation to face ASCN strategy and that leaded to their defeat.
for what i saw BoB had not a huge firepower and even in the last match of qualifications it had a bit more troubles than anticipated.
imo both teams had a bit of luck to meet opponent suited for their combat strategy, so is not that this kind of final was so obvious.
i don't want to diminuish the value of both teams, in the end i think they earned the right to the final, but as said the strategies they used where not the only viable ones.
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Danari
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.24 03:24:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Hakera
was anyone else expecting a 5 vs 5 inty fight? i was until the screen loaded, think it would of been a bit more exciting.
Imagine the nailbiting tension of 5 consecutive 1-1's -- USING MEMBERS OF THE TEAMS. This would more closely model the FIFA format that was clearly the inspiration for this event. The single 1-1 duel was more Aaron Burr vs. Alexander Hamilton than a 'shootout'.
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CYVOK
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 03:26:00 -
[81]
I think the final (5 v 5) battle was completely awesome. It totally showed on that small screen the difference in philosophy between BoB and ASCN.
BoB are AWESOME fighters (the IAC match it total proof) & ASCN are AWESOME defenders when it comes to the EvE Universe.
It was sweet that the final battle was between these 2 completely opposite schools of thought. It was an honor for ASCN to face BoB in the final battle regardless of the out come, most never thought our team would make it past round 1.
Everyone in ASCN chipped in to make sure our guys had what they needed to win, and in my mind, taking damage from a group of the most gifted PvPers in the game for 30 minutes and surviving is a win.
The final ceptor battle was a bit disappointing for both sides I think. But a valid coin toss none the less. We pulled Mr Fix off his game with no notice and tossed together what we could. BoB had a more effective set up, plain and simple. Mr Fix is one of the best 1 on 1 PvPers in EvE and anyone that thinks they are "safe" when he enters local because of what happened in this turney... well... I'm sorry for your loss, by the time your done with that thought, Ur Toast!
Congratulations to BoB and everyone that took part in the turney. It was a great event, I was very impressed that CCP/ISD ectą. did such a great job this time around.
Oh yeah... to those that said it would be nice for ASCN & BoB to get a mother ship, no worries. We have one already and 2 more in the oven.
Hopefully the next turney will be just as exciting as this one was.
Thank you CCP/ISD, MC, BoB and all the rest. We had a great time.
-CYVOK-
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Derrios
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Posted - 2006.07.24 04:13:00 -
[82]
That was a very good fight Gunstar, congrats on your stellar victory :)
and minor props to ASCN for making it past MC. That was a crap shoot if I ever saw one.
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CamMan
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 05:39:00 -
[83]
Congratulatins ASCN in making it to the final, your team balance was brilliant to get that far and it was great to see a non -caldari line up get that far, and what a brilliant tnak you guys had.
As for all the nublets complaining about the set up of the crow that ASCN used, it was a good setup for a rocket crow. They assumed we were going to use a ranis, and there was intense discussion in our alliance IRC channel about what to use. It was either going to be TWD in a ranis, or gunstar zero in a crow. So ASCN was almost correct.
But in an interceptor duel with no warping out, really what can beat a crow doing 11km/s with standard launchers and a target painter? BoB had won that interceptor duel before the first shot was fired, just by the better setup.
A little piece of advice for ASCN, your killboards gave your setup away, making our ranis/crow decision very easy when we saw who was fighting for you.
Originally by: Bender
Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Klorthos
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Posted - 2006.07.24 06:30:00 -
[84]
ccp should of done the overtime match like this :
frigate vs frigate
destroyer vs destroyer
crusier vs crusier
bc vs bc
bs vs bs
all one on one fights with first winning 3 of the 5 winning the final bout.
ships used for overtime fights would have to be set up as they were for final fight.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.24 06:48:00 -
[85]
Originally by: CamMan
As for all the nublets complaining about the set up of the crow that ASCN used, it was a good setup for a rocket crow. They assumed we were going to use a ranis, and there was intense discussion in our alliance IRC channel about what to use. It was either going to be TWD in a ranis, or gunstar zero in a crow. So ASCN was almost correct.
Ok, call me nublet, but i will argue. Close range crow will still lose to blasterranis. Because he had only 1 web, and filled slot with cap recharger. After taranis will be in-range (and with 1 web he`ll be there soon) - he`ll eat crow in 10 seconds.
Originally by: CamMan
But in an interceptor duel with no warping out, really what can beat a crow doing 11km/s with standard launchers and a target painter? BoB had won that interceptor duel before the first shot was fired, just by the better setup.
Actually its draw. You don`t need to do anything, since t1 light missiles having bad explosion velocity. Just orbit, hit mwd, and enjoy damages, that unable to penetrate your shield.
My congratulations for BoB team. You, guys, truly deserved that victory (match with IAC = \o/).
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j0sephine
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 07:12:00 -
[86]
"Ok, call me nublet, but i will argue. Close range crow will still lose to blasterranis. Because he had only 1 web, and filled slot with cap recharger. After taranis will be in-range (and with 1 web he`ll be there soon) - he`ll eat crow in 10 seconds."
Right, because day after day in every 1v1 encounter in EVE when single web + scrambler rocket crow meets blaster 'ranis, then it's _always_ the Crow that bites the dust.
Please :|
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.24 07:36:00 -
[87]
Originally by: j0sephine
Right, because day after day in every 1v1 encounter in EVE when single web + scrambler rocket crow meets blaster 'ranis, then it's _always_ the Crow that bites the dust.
Please :|
Depends on many factors. But i`d bet on taranis with 2 webs.
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Top Hat
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 07:42:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Top Hat on 24/07/2006 07:42:48
Originally by: Svett
If he was locked up, he would not have been able to rep multiple times, like he did.
tinfoil hats anyone?
QFT.
Anyway was a fun tournament to watch, shame the semi's > final, but hey, its not like ASCN coulda done anything during the final what with being webbed so far away.
Bring on the next tournament!
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Medici
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:13:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: j0sephine
Right, because day after day in every 1v1 encounter in EVE when single web + scrambler rocket crow meets blaster 'ranis, then it's _always_ the Crow that bites the dust.
Please :|
Depends on many factors. But i`d bet on taranis with 2 webs.
Your saying a ranis could catch a 8000m/s Crow?
Not sure myself,thought ranis had a lower base speed and more mass?
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Dyanmo
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:22:00 -
[90]
rocket crow needs to come in close...
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Divus
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:41:00 -
[91]
the tounrnament was top-notch entertainment lads and gents! thanx for that - only one thing: do 5 1on1s if needed next time, not 1.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Millennium
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:46:00 -
[92]
Quote:
Your saying a ranis could catch a 8000m/s Crow?
Without Gistii MWD and without Skirmish Warfare 5? Show me how to do that.
Lol 8k/sec Crow o.0
Anyway, I think it's a shame that such a nice tournament is being ruined by having the finals be an inty 1v1 which basically is decided by the fitting of the ship.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:22:00 -
[93]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/07/2006 15:22:43
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Quote:
Your saying a ranis could catch a 8000m/s Crow?
Without Gistii MWD and without Skirmish Warfare 5? Show me how to do that.
Lol 8k/sec Crow o.0
Anyway, I think it's a shame that such a nice tournament is being ruined by having the finals be an inty 1v1 which basically is decided by the fitting of the ship.
Why would he show you how to do it?
If you can't work out how to do it yourself then don't expect anyone else to hand it on a silver platter for you.
Gunstar WAS going just under 8 k/s in his crow in that crow, we tested it in NOL just before the fight.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:43:00 -
[94]
lol at those who believed it was a rail Crow. Guess none of you have ever flown one.
Rocket Crow would have weon it if he had snake implants. ASCN should have been prepared for this and have one ready given their tactics of choice.
No need for faction stuff to go 8km/s. I go 4700 before gang in a tanked Crow and have under perfect navigation skills with no snakes. With a set of Snakes (normal not low-grade) and a couple more lvl 5s thats 8km/s more or less.
Thats why I was sure that the char TWD would not be used (as opposed to what they thought in the studio) because he (I guess) had Halos fitted for the Ishkur and wouldnt throw them away and install a fresh set of Snakes.
I would like to comment on the commentators as well but I need to check my hotmail account first cause I suspect I might find something there regarding a post I made yesterday that appears to have been removed  If I am wrong and my hotmail is clear I ll come back here, edit and let it rip
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.24 21:43:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Medici
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: j0sephine
Right, because day after day in every 1v1 encounter in EVE when single web + scrambler rocket crow meets blaster 'ranis, then it's _always_ the Crow that bites the dust.
Please :|
Depends on many factors. But i`d bet on taranis with 2 webs.
Your saying a ranis could catch a 8000m/s Crow?
Not sure myself,thought ranis had a lower base speed and more mass?
I made that sentence bold. I meant rocket crow. Rocket crow = repair + plate in most cases. I beleive that you will be unable to reach 8km\s speed with 2 of your crow low slot wasted.
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 22:08:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Quote:
Your saying a ranis could catch a 8000m/s Crow?
Without Gistii MWD and without Skirmish Warfare 5? Show me how to do that.
Lol 8k/sec Crow o.0
Anyway, I think it's a shame that such a nice tournament is being ruined by having the finals be an inty 1v1 which basically is decided by the fitting of the ship.
8k/s is reasonable easy to achieve.
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Robbie Boozecruise
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 22:17:00 -
[97]
when it comes to inti pilots in ASCN i can only think of 2 that stick out in my mind MrFix and Gazza29. both fly crows both extremly good at flying crows one prefers the rocket crow one prefers the standard launcher crow.
who would i have picked if bother were online????
Gazza only because he had a snake set in his head. But Fix has balls for stepping up and fighting and i hope he hasnt lost all them crows i give him yet when i used to fly with him
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Marcus Right
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 05:04:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Marcus Right on 25/07/2006 05:06:35
Originally by: Leon 026
Edited by: Leon 026 on 24/07/2006 00:37:59
Yea, not sure where the *****ing and flaming that the guy had a 125mm rail came from. Its a standard rocket setup, not some off the wall railgun crow setup that people are imagining.
It's cause the commentators on the EveTV were phreaking out on air that he had "railguns" on his crow. So, every stupid n00b who doesn't know jack about crows or reall about PvP suddenly thinks they know more then the guy flying in the PvP match. After all, if the commentator says it's not right, it must be so.
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It's retarded that both of them got convo spammed. I heard and completely believe they both did. People were being idiots and/or trying to fix the match.
As for the person higher up in the chat that said something like, "If he was locked up how did he armor repair so many times then? Tin foil hats..."
WELL, NUB: He turned his armor repair on just before the convo spams and gang invite spams started. After that, it's on auto. It wasn't a matter of lag (though I'm sure he probably was lagging too)... but those stupid pop-up boxes that dont' allow you to do anything until you close them certainly get in the way of moving or firing. I wasn't in either pilot's*****pit to know exactly what they know, but I've had the boxes mess me up in combat outside of tournies before so I can some what imagine.
It's too bad the match couldn't have gone on without outside interference. I really wounder how it might have gone down without other people ruining it for everyone else. I mean, maybe we would have still loss, but at least the people watching might have been able to see a good fight instead of our guy frozen and unable to even fire.
- Right -
People who don't like it when other people ask questions fear the trueth.
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Semkhet
KR0M
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.07.25 13:57:00 -
[99]
Of course many factors could have played a role, but the most significant one has been ASCN's gamble to choose a close combat setup.
When you don't know what you will face, it is preferable to keep your options open, and by definition a long range ceptor does exactly that. On the contrary, no close combat ceptor may be effective before reaching rocket range. Since the fight started at 50 Km, it was pertinent to fit a setup able to inflict immediate damage from the beginning of the duel.
On ceptors, you can't simultaneously fly fast, inflict good damage and enjoy tanking abilities without drying your cap at an unsustainable rate. Therefore you make setup choices which will improve some abilities and hamper others.
To get back to the duel, if we assume that both pilots could fly at equivalent speeds, I don't think that their respective PvP knowhow would have made any difference for a simple reason: it's always the close range setup that tries to close in against the long range setup. And when you are a pursuer who can't really fly faster than your target, you loose the advantage of the initiative: you must follow.
Fighting at speeds of 8 Km/sec imply a whole set of navigational considerations that are known only in the high-end ceptor world. At those speeds, half a second lag may mean going off mark up to 8 Km, since not only your speed but also the speed of your opponent gets factorized. According to the vectors, the relative speed between both ceptors may vary from apparently stationary from up to 16 Km/sec when they go against each other. Now relocate all this in the context of an arena of 150 Km where crossing the limits means loosing the fight, and you may start to imagine the level of micromanagement and the reaction time required by manoeuvers and counter-manoeuvers.
It's mainly the setup that dictated the outcome of the duel instead of respective pilot's quality that you may be sure where equally outstanding. The match would have depended more on pilot's skills if both ceptors were able to fight at the same range, but statistically there's always exactly a 50:50 % chance that a ceptor duel isn't balanced due to setup reasons if you don't know what your opponent will fit, and that's precisely what happened here.
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Yoko Shimazaki
O.R.C. Outrage Compliant
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:00:00 -
[100]
Light missiles explosion velocity is 1750m/s, 2625m/s with max skills (target navigation prediction lvl 5).
So against anything flying at 6km/s+ the damage from such missiles is reduced to pretty much nothing.
One can wonder why ASCN's crow wasn't able to reach such speed as obviously it was taking quite a hit against BoB's light missiles...
In perfect conditions I very doubt the outcome of the duel would have been so evident.
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 12:37:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Yoko Shimazaki
Light missiles explosion velocity is 1750m/s, 2625m/s with max skills (target navigation prediction lvl 5).
So against anything flying at 6km/s+ the damage from such missiles is reduced to pretty much nothing.
One can wonder why ASCN's crow wasn't able to reach such speed as obviously it was taking quite a hit against BoB's light missiles...
In perfect conditions I very doubt the outcome of the duel would have been so evident.
I think his crow was doing around 4-4.5k/s
I do have max skills
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MIGHTYDWC
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 16:26:00 -
[102]
Edited by: MIGHTYDWC on 27/07/2006 16:27:08
I think that throughout the smack talk about a single ship fitting, Gun's post with the killmail, CYVOK, and BlackLight stepping in and speaking their 2 cents worth show great integrity on both sides. To me it doesn't matter if ASCN and BOB are friends, enemies, or neutral ATM, their 2 post show the respect that both sides have for each other, or atleast I think they have for each other. GJ to BOB for the win, GJ to ASCN for the hard work our team put into this. Props to Guns for posting the mail and showing the people "without a clue" that rails are a secondary weapon of choise to Caldari pilots when missles/rockets are n/a or unequipable on a ship.
Favorite saying on TS:
This "phoon of Doom" is very easy to kill things with. They die very fast. <---JaegerX
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Millennium
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Posted - 2006.07.28 23:23:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Gunstar Zero
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Quote:
Your saying a ranis could catch a 8000m/s Crow?
Without Gistii MWD and without Skirmish Warfare 5? Show me how to do that.
Lol 8k/sec Crow o.0
Anyway, I think it's a shame that such a nice tournament is being ruined by having the finals be an inty 1v1 which basically is decided by the fitting of the ship.
8k/s is reasonable easy to achieve.
I did the math and I stand corrected.
I used the wrong speedboost for Local Hull Overdrives.
If I'm not mistaken, using 3 Local Hull Overdrives, Full Snake and a 5% speed implant you could, in theory, reach about 8300 m/s in a Crow with maxed skills.
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.29 00:46:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Originally by: Gunstar Zero
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Quote:
Your saying a ranis could catch a 8000m/s Crow?
Without Gistii MWD and without Skirmish Warfare 5? Show me how to do that.
Lol 8k/sec Crow o.0
Anyway, I think it's a shame that such a nice tournament is being ruined by having the finals be an inty 1v1 which basically is decided by the fitting of the ship.
8k/s is reasonable easy to achieve.
I did the math and I stand corrected.
I used the wrong speedboost for Local Hull Overdrives.
If I'm not mistaken, using 3 Local Hull Overdrives, Full Snake and a 5% speed implant you could, in theory, reach about 8300 m/s in a Crow with maxed skills.
With 3 x Local Hulls, I think I max out at ~ 11k/s
In gang I've made 15,895 in Gang, still using Nano's not overdrives. Screenshot prior to the tweaking (forgot to get the full speed pic afterwards)
http://www.gunstar.34sp.com/gsz_speed.jpg
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.29 02:10:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Dyanmo
rocket crow needs to come in close...
A Rocket crow can hit from 15km.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.29 02:35:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Gunstar Zero
With 3 x Local Hulls, I think I max out at ~ 11k/s
In gang I've made 15,895 in Gang, still using Nano's not overdrives. Screenshot prior to the tweaking (forgot to get the full speed pic afterwards)
http://www.gunstar.34sp.com/gsz_speed.jpg
Faction speedmod/mwd and gangmate with proper skills maxxed?
How close can you orbit something going 15km/s?
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Millennium
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Posted - 2006.07.29 10:12:00 -
[107]
Quote:
With 3 x Local Hulls, I think I max out at ~ 11k/s
In gang I've made 15,895 in Gang, still using Nano's not overdrives. Screenshot prior to the tweaking (forgot to get the full speed pic afterwards)
I was still using the tournament rules where a Gistii MWD is not allowed. I can't see how you can make 11 km/sec without that. Correct me if I forgot anything:
Base Speed 425 m/s
3x Local Hull Overdrive Injector: + 102 m/s
Navigation lvl 5 = +25%
Speed Implant: +5%
Full Snake: +53,63%
tech II MWD with Acc control lvl 5: +687,5%
Add the slot 10 implant that gives 5% extra: +721,875%
So in total we get: 527 * 1,25 * 1,05 * 1,5363 * 8,21875 = 8733,57 m/s.
I can see this go ove 11k easy with using the Gistii MWD and in gang with Skirmish warfare lvl 5 and a Rapid Deployment mod and maybe even a Mindlink and a Claymore I think you can go over 17-18 km/s.
Let's try a Claw :-)
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