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Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:01:00 - [91] Originally by: Darko1107 Sorry, but how the **** does a team not just sit there when they are being webbed so that the are unable to get into thier optimal range? Its YOUR fault that they just sat there, you could have let them come nearer, but ofcourse that wasnt going to happen. In effect your calling yourself lame for making them just sit there. I however think both teams did well in the final, and played it safe, like any team would in such a tourny. The inty fight was totally bollucks, what the hell were ASCN thinking, threw the tourny away. Congratz to BoB for winning it convincingly once again. I do however feel that if MC had gone for the EOS first it would have been a better final. You know, at the end of the day, at least they turned up. Unlike other teams we could mention. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Mariko San	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:03:00 - [92] Originally by: News Saying that BoB didn't beat ASCN but only won an arranged intie 1v1 is like saying Italy didn't really win the world cup, but only managed to beat France in a penalty shoot out. Thing is that is exactly how I viewed the world cup final, settling things on penalties or a 1 v 1 ceptor fight is a really sucky way to settle things IMO and its not the same as really "winning". What I would like to have seen is the match be extended for 5 minutes and at the end of each 5 minutes each team has to withdraw 1 ship until you are left with a 1 vs 1 batle which at least keeps it to the teams that entered in the first place and makes it likely for a better finish.
Auntie Bob	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:05:00 - [93] Gratz BoB well fought again. Hopefully the next tourney will have a few tweaks otherwise I can see alot of teams going for the ASCN option. Oh and BoB now that you have 2 motherships will you use one or are they to stay in the trophy cabinet (just curious never really heard you using the last one)?
Darko1107 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:07:00 - [94] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Darko1107 Sorry, but how the ** does a team not just sit there when they are being webbed so that the are unable to get into thier optimal range? Its YOUR fault that they just sat there, you could have let them come nearer, but ofcourse that wasnt going to happen. In effect your calling yourself lame for making them just sit there. I however think both teams did well in the final, and played it safe, like any team would in such a tourny. The inty fight was totally bollucks, what the hell were ASCN thinking, threw the tourny away. Congratz to BoB for winning it convincingly once again. I do however feel that if MC had gone for the EOS first it would have been a better final. You know, at the end of the day, at least they turned up. Unlike other teams we could mention. IRON were very busy at the time and me and Buddrow both had major personal problems at the time so i couldnt really give a ** what you think. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Darko1107 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:07:00 - [95] Edited by: Darko1107 on 24/07/2006 12:08:48 Double post. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Vardemis Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:07:00 - [96] Originally by: OzaLoni Quote: I called BOB "lame" as the DICE guy called ASCN "lame". Hiya Eye...Btw I'm not DICE, but BNC. Either way. I stand by my comment. They had plenty of time to try and get closer, probably in vein but trying and failing is better than sitting still and not accomplishing anything. If you continue to field a setup that is shut down by a single module then you can't complain if you are stuck in making your plans work. Its all done now, no point crying over the milk. Its a shame you guys lost Moving was no tactical option, BoB would have been able to outmaneuver us easily besides the fact that they would have had a chance to seperate ships through tactical webbing.
Eyeshadow Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:23:00 - [97] Quote: 2x Frigate 2x Cruiser 1x BC 5x BS I think that may swing it too far to instadmg turret BS, plated + dmg mods, instapopping stuff with no use for tanking/remote reps. 5 1400 tempests could probably 1/2 volley the cruisers + BCs, then its left to whoever has the highest skills with the BS v BS. Without ew, that many BS would probably make for fairly boring long range sniper fests I could be wrong of course My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:40:00 - [98] Originally by: Eyeshadow I think that may swing it too far to instadmg turret BS, plated + dmg mods, instapopping stuff with no use for tanking/remote reps. 5 1400 tempests could probably 1/2 volley the cruisers + BCs, then its left to whoever has the highest skills with the BS v BS. Without ew, that many BS would probably make for fairly boring long range sniper fests I could be wrong of course Better than a giant hug fest imo. I think there's a lot of scope for close range tactics as well though, imagine a pair of Huginn's holding down the opposite team and five Vindicators/AC Mach's roaring up, sure you might lose one or two on the approach but it'd be great fun to watch. The current layout promotes a defensive style which is ultimately quite boring most of the time. BRING ON THE BBQ SAY I!
Larsson7 Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:48:00 - [99] Firstly, Gratz to Bob. I will never forget that comeback against IAC and how everyone on our TS was simply astounded It will be interesting to see what changes LeMonde makes to the next tournament - if any. He already stated yesterday, before the ceptor duel iirc, that they would be looking at the possibility of EW which may be interesting or could be boring - depending on the limitations.
Kozak Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:03:00 - [100] Originally by: Cornflake The 2 richest alliances in the game in the final...really shows how much skill is involved in this tournament! Hey man, Look at the people on each team first then make that statement. KAOS was probably the poorest alliance in teh tournament last year. It's not about isk, although it makes it easier.

Vardemis Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:09:00 - [101] One thing about the EW modules actually allowed in this tournament was pretty obvious, they got used like mad. Which is to no big suprise, target painters allow to increase the damage potential while webs were usually needed to keep nos-boats and other close range ships at bay. It some cases a lack of choices for medium slots for the armor tanking setups or in other teams implemented in the team strategy. To allow other forms of EW can make or break the tournament though, too much will ruin it, a scorp and a rook should be able to jam easily 5 to 10 ships or at least prevent them from effective use of remote repair. I would like frig or cruiser tournaments where teams have a limit of what they can field. Since these ships are a lot less tankable as command ships and battleships the fights might be more interesting too, a lot more expensive as well though.
FireFoxx80 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:18:00 - [102] Originally by: Avon You know, at the end of the day, at least they turned up. Unlike other teams we could mention. I think this was mentioned elsewhere, but a 15:00 (16:00 BST) is a tricky time for people who are at work to make it into a tournament.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:36:00 - [103] Edited by: Blacklight on 24/07/2006 13:37:27 I think it's congrats all round to everyone who participated, I thought the whole tournament was pretty riveting and a lot of fun (barring a few matches and some no shows, which is pretty much unavoidable in a competition of this scale). The amount of time, effort and support given freely by so many people in order to make it happen speaks volumes about the game, the community and CCP. Bravos and backslaps all round! As for some of the comments in this thread, what can I say, everyone's a critic. If we had not fielded the Huggin and lost everyone would have been saying "omg BoB the lamers, how stupid are you for not adapting your setup and letting ASCN get up close" equally if ASCN hadn't kept playing to their strengths and had let us disrupt their tanking they'd have faced the same criticism. You simply can't have it both ways and you can't please everyone all the time. Just a quick comment to some of the amateur tacticians as well, if you think that we went through that fight with the brains and experience of people like TWD, Molle, Dian, DBP, Juan, Thol and myself on teamspeak together without trying every different combination of approaches to break ASCN's tank with the tools we had you are living in a dreamworld. P.S. Eyeshadow, subtle as a 1000lb bomb dropped into a glass factory as usual mate Eve Blacklight Style
Kcel Chim Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:37:00 - [104] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Kcel Chim i was more refering to Eyeshadow who started to call ppl "lame" for using a ship and a mod this tourney has seen a dozend times. That MC tried another approach, well done sadly it didnt work. BoB - Mc would have been interesting, but luck decided that match (the eos coming back in the missile reload) as some others (wrecking hits on the curse or the nearly decisive turn on disconnects). Ok, im gonna get angry. Read my **in post you ** I called BOB "lame" as the DICE guy called ASCN "lame". Why? Well if you wanna call ASCN sitting and tanking, when they couldnt do anything else lame, then why not call BOB lame for fielding the Huginn? It was fairly obvious what would happen if BOB fielded the huginn, and it was fairly abvious what would have happened if ASCN have changed to a rail setup The only thing that could have made the final exciting was is either of the teams had done some "dangerous", such as ASCN fielding a completely different race of ships (which i doubt their entire team was specced for) or for BOB to stick with the logistics cruiser and hope they can tank ASCN long enough to kill them (which going by our fight with ASCN, would have been suicide) So both teams played it safe, stuck with what they had or what they knew was the safe option and the match was boring. To call either teams lame, is, imo, stupid. That is the entire point i have been trying to make, but which no one seems able to grasp. Sheesh i thought this community was intelligent but apparently all you have to do is call someone lame and everyone stops reading seems its quiet easy to get you angry. You should take courses for that and cut down on the insults.... Anyways back to the point, ASCN set out for full tank and no damage at all (only the partly the deimos and a few light drones). If bob had attempted to change their original setup to MAYBE break the tank (something mc didnt achieve either, nearly isnt done you know) they would have thrown all eggs in one basket if ASCN surprised with last minute changes. By sticking to their already proven team and adding a hugin (with 1-2 webs not 5 so any claims "all ascn was webbed" is bollox) they setup for various scenarios. BoBs dps "nearly" broke the tank on the eos at one point aswell thats as good as you can get against an enemy whos only aim is to "outlast" you. As for "winning", the rules very preset and clear to anyone. Ascn knew and gladly accepted (by not even attempting to get close to bob) the outcome to be decided in the 1o1 (the penalty shooting of eve). If by your personal rules thats not enough its fine by me and i can respect that as your opinion, however in tourney terms bob won, period.
Eyeshadow Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:05:00 - [105] Quote: P.S. Eyeshadow, subtle as a 1000lb bomb dropped into a glass factory as usual mate Sorry m8, but you know me. Never been one for subtlety, nor am i the most eloquent of people And i still say BOB were unable to beat ASCN. I dont recall the Eos ever being in real trouble during the final. If anyone came closest to "beating" them it was us, but we werent quite good enough Again its just semantics (i think) when you say ASCN knew the outcome would be a 1v1 ceptor duel, but the point still stands that nobody was able to beat the ASCN team. Nor was anyone able to beat the BOB team. If you think a 1v1 ceptor duel should decide the outcome of such a tournament then fair enough to you. I however think its a bit crap. If anything both teams should be awarded the first prize (mothership each) and the others devided, cept for the CNR each. If neither team can beat each other, but have beaten everyone before them, then are they not as good as each other? I dont see what relevance the 1v1 ceptor duel has in a 5v5 tournament My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:10:00 - [106] Originally by: Eyeshadow Quote: P.S. Eyeshadow, subtle as a 1000lb bomb dropped into a glass factory as usual mate Sorry m8, but you know me. Never been one for subtlety, nor am i the most eloquent of people And i still say BOB were unable to beat ASCN. I dont recall the Eos ever being in real trouble during the final. If anyone came closest to "beating" them it was us, but we werent quite good enough Again its just semantics (i think) when you say ASCN knew the outcome would be a 1v1 ceptor duel, but the point still stands that nobody was able to beat the ASCN team. Nor was anyone able to beat the BOB team. If you think a 1v1 ceptor duel should decide the outcome of such a tournament then fair enough to you. I however think its a bit crap. If anything both teams should be awarded the first prize (mothership each) and the others devided, cept for the CNR each. If neither team can beat each other, but have beaten everyone before them, then are they not as good as each other? I dont see what relevance the 1v1 ceptor duel has in a 5v5 tournament We don't like to share :p
Havelcek Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:13:00 - [107] Edited by: Havelcek on 24/07/2006 14:13:35 Congrats to BoB...clash of the titans for sure.
Juan Andalusian TAOSP	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:13:00 - [108] Quote: that nobody was able to beat the ASCN team Incorrect. They lost at group stage. Pain is meant to be felt
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:29:00 - [109] I think i enjoyed this tournament and hope we gave lots of people fun watching pretty explosions. Hindsight is 20/20 and so its easy to say now what people should and shouldn't of done, the point is its done and it was great fun for those watching and those participating. Maybe the rep cycles arn't to fun and maybe there is a place for a little EW, i'm not really sure it all needs to be thought about carefully away from kneejerk reactions. What could be interesting is allow more ships but insist on them being T1 varients allowing some interesting thoughts and combinations to be applied. I guess we will find out over next christmas (when i have the proper skills i wanted this tournament)
13th	Posted - 2006.07.24 15:17:00 - [110] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Quote: that nobody was able to beat the ASCN team Incorrect. They lost at group stage. From memory, they lost 2 ships in the group stage, with a total of 2 wins, 1 tie and 1 loss. In their first match they lost their Eris to CCK, and SMASH was able to destroy their tanked interceptor by dealing slightly more damage per rep cycle than it had armor. Every volley they destroyed all of it's armor and did a sliver of structure damage, only to have the armor repair to 100% a moment later.

Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:18:00 - [111] Yeah, congratulations, guys!!! _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Darko1107 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:41:00 - [112] I do agree with eyeliner that the 1v1 ceptor thing to decide such a big tournament was kind of stupid. I mean its like having just 1 penalty at the end of the world cup. Mess up just once and your out completely, not to mention the fact that inty fights are incredibly dull to watch and very fast. Its only cos the ASCN had a dorkish setup that it last any time at all. They could have done something like best of 5 interceptor fights, allowing more for mistakes and a nice buildup of tension. I dont know, not asif ive put much thought into it, but next time there needs to be a better way of deciding IMO. But that doesnt mean that BoB in someway didnt deserve to win it, they won the tournament how it was meant to be played fair and square. I think they should also ban logistic drones for the next one, the tanking capabilities of each team made it soooo boring. As shown by the massive tanks of both ASCN/BoB in the final. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Zane Dale	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:59:00 - [113] Congratz to BoB great fight and tactics, congratz to ASCN for putting up a good fight. And a big CONGRATZ to every team the took part, but most importantly a big BOO to the teams that did not show they should be banned from the next tourney. Theres one thing feilding crazy ships (Goon) and another not showing at all (Red).
Crellion	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:06:00 - [114] I was flying with the only team of the tourney (afaik) that had almost the exact same set up and tactics as BoB (not skills dont flame) so I understood perhaps a little better than the average player what it took for them to win. We had Basilisk ctd (same as BoB ctd) against Fateweavers (a not maxed out opponent) and we were able to pull back and win the match. We then had again Basilisk ctd against a formidable opponent (5) and were creamed. For BoB to hold with the same problem against a team like IAC ... all I can say is wow. BoB are as good as ... BoB. Gratz.
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:10:00 - [115] it realy _is_ an isk/skillpoint race we in S-L know each other real life and organized a LAN for the tournament, but we did not have any chanse of winning any match becouse we only have low-grade crystal implants or no crystal implants, characters that are not having enough skillpoints and not got isk for t2 ships/ full t2 fitting. well we participated in the tournament tough and did show up in each round and did not forfeited like many other alliances did wich also screws up the tournament. tough it was a mistake to join we invested to much isk/time in it and the CNR will probitly barely make up for it, we will not join next year (like most alliances did this year) if it is organized the same as it is now ------------------------------------------- That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:22:00 - [116] Originally by: The Wizz117 it realy _is_ an isk/skillpoint race we in S-L know each other real life and organized a LAN for the tournament, but we did not have any chanse of winning any match becouse we only have low-grade crystal implants or no crystal implants, characters that are not having enough skillpoints and not got isk for t2 ships/ full t2 fitting. well we participated in the tournament tough and did show up in each round and did not forfeited like many other alliances did wich also screws up the tournament. tough it was a mistake to join we invested to much isk/time in it and the CNR will probitly barely make up for it, we will not join next year (like most alliances did this year) if it is organized the same as it is now you forgot to mention flying the raven into the middle like a moron
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:27:00 - [117] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: The Wizz117 it realy _is_ an isk/skillpoint race we in S-L know each other real life and organized a LAN for the tournament, but we did not have any chanse of winning any match becouse we only have low-grade crystal implants or no crystal implants, characters that are not having enough skillpoints and not got isk for t2 ships/ full t2 fitting. well we participated in the tournament tough and did show up in each round and did not forfeited like many other alliances did wich also screws up the tournament. tough it was a mistake to join we invested to much isk/time in it and the CNR will probitly barely make up for it, we will not join next year (like most alliances did this year) if it is organized the same as it is now you forgot to mention flying the raven into the middle like a moron haha, this was the 2e round, we had to come up with somting special we could't beat a cnr a command ship and those t2 ships with what we had... so i decided to fit a nosf-raven but it did't work well but it was cheap tough :P ------------------------------------------- That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
Schnuckelchen	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:55:00 - [118] and again good job BoB
Danii CryoTech	Posted - 2006.07.24 18:02:00 - [119] Originally by: Gunstar Zero We obviously think along similar lines setup was: 3 x Standard Launcher IIs 1 x MWD II 1 x Sensor Booster II 1 x Target Painter II 1 x Local Hull Nanofiber 1 x PDU II 1 x Cap Power Relay I think top speed was ~ 8k/s Theoretical max range on the lights was just shy of 60km. 8k/s? I get 4.5k/s with the same setup. I guess that last level of acceleration control must make all the difference?
NebulousBlur Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 18:08:00 - [120] Originally by: The Wizz117 it realy _is_ an isk/skillpoint race we in S-L know each other real life and organized a LAN for the tournament, but we did not have any chanse of winning any match becouse we only have low-grade crystal implants or no crystal implants, characters that are not having enough skillpoints and not got isk for t2 ships/ full t2 fitting. well we participated in the tournament tough and did show up in each round and did not forfeited like many other alliances did wich also screws up the tournament. tough it was a mistake to join we invested to much isk/time in it and the CNR will probitly barely make up for it, we will not join next year (like most alliances did this year) if it is organized the same as it is now It isn't as large of a skillpoint race as you may think. I only have a total 16 million skill points, having joined the game a lot later than my friends. About 6 million of those skillpoints are industrial/mining/science related for my inner carebear. Most of the pilots in our squad were 24-35 million skillpoints. My skills are very specialized to a few ship types, so I can fly a sabre to near full potential. Our side didn't spend too much money either. We bought a few low grade halos for the frig & destroyer pilots and some low grade talismans for the huggin and claymore pilots. We didn't even buy the full sets, as only 2 pilots in the entire group had cybernetics 5 :( I would hazard a rough guess and say that we spent less than 2.4 billion total on the alliance tournament. We had no problems raising that kind of money. Although we weren't the most exciting team to watch, we got very far without expensive pirate implants and without throwing tons of money into the tournament. We all had tons of fun, which is the goal here. I'm sure lots of people got their jollies from making fun of us as well. And I know the homeless man and the livestock in the cargo hold of my destroyer enjoyed the tournament. They survived the ship's destruction and are now the property of Morsus Mihi. :( And if you think it's bad because of the pirate implants... Just imagine the next tournament when we have combat boosters. And congratulations BoB. I was rooting for the other side, simply because I wanted a different alliance to have a mothership, but victory is yours.



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