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Audrea Widowmakers Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:31:00 - [1] nice tactic Thanks for the show, and now I am fof to sleep :) ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:34:00 - [2] Gratz bob, you done it again great semi final, boring final, fast ceptor battle thats another mothership for bob
StiZum Hilidii Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:36:00 - [3] 2x FREE PERSON OF EARTH AGAINST EVE IN COMMUNIST CHINA
nails Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:38:00 - [4] Kudos to BoB and Kayosoni!! -------------- http://nails.otaku.jp/ota-corps/--Adv Anime Rank
Dell Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:38:00 - [5] O yeah BABY! BoB Killboard
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:40:00 - [6] Edited by: Dave White on 23/07/2006 23:43:30 Grats BoB Crow with rails though Now ombeh zomeh werz my isk?! STAVROS!!
Heleniya	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:40:00 - [7] they cheated. Dont deserve that prize
Mtthias Clemi Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:40:00 - [8] indeed
Lunas Feelgood Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:40:00 - [9] Aye gratz BOB very impressiv show today.. Also gratz to ASCN you did awesome to..
DiNoer DFCK Inc. Ekliptika	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:42:00 - [10] Grats BoB Nice work La prospTritT de l'Gme libre La prospTritT de la fTdTration

Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Heleniya they cheated. Dont deserve that prize You are an idiot. Eve Blacklight Style
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Heleniya they cheated. Dont deserve that prize Gah. We would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you damn kids and that pesky dog. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Nihn Lemai	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:43:00 - [13] I was hoping ASCN would win just because BOB has already won once. But oh well, gratz to them anyway!! --- I want instas gone... now
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:44:00 - [14] Grats BoB, really awesome semifinal (And well, decent final I guess, I had to stop watching it for fear of falling asleep )
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:44:00 - [15] w00t Nice tournament, been a pleasure to watch, also obviously I'm stoked we won again!!!! Congratz US !!! - Thou Shalt Not Log-Off
Stamm Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:45:00 - [16] Edited by: Stamm on 23/07/2006 23:45:39 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Heleniya they cheated. Dont deserve that prize You are an idiot. He's got a point. BoB cheated by not putting a comedy setup on their crow.... Seriously though, now that it's over, any chance the BoB crow pilot, and the ASCN crow pilot could post their setups? Be an interesting read. Edit : Also congratulations BoB. And congratulations ASCN for reaching the final.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:45:00 - [17] Im not sure about this BoB were amazing through the whole tornie! grats to them for a job well done! but Kozak rules And if your going to accuse someone of cheating, have some proof, whoever that was!
ching'sta Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:46:00 - [18] great played trueout the tournament bob. Gratulation to a well worth win
Trevedian Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:47:00 - [19] I bet ASCN wish they at least tried to push BOB back now after the pathetic attempt at 1v1 Railcrow fiasco... But no one could beat ASCN's team kudos to them... But they left the match in the hands of someone who had no clue how to PVP in a ceptor... Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
Havras the Organ Grinder and Company Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:47:00 - [20] No reason to be throwing accusation of cheating around. Bob won. Both teams did an outstanding job in the Tourney and rocked. Respect to all involved. I know I certainly wouldn't want to be the inty pilot with all that riding on me.

Izo Azlion Veto.	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:49:00 - [21] Final was crap, inty fight was pretty dull tbh... Semi's rocked.... Grats BoB, but I was rootin for ASCN. Shame they failed. Izo Azlion. --- Veto.
Ominus Decre Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:49:00 - [22] Gratz on the tourny win BoB! ASCN rocks!!! Boobies:
Bawldeux IV Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:49:00 - [23] Originally by: Heleniya they cheated. Dont deserve that prize BoB has never needed to cheat, while some others do feel the need, BoB does not. That is my opinion. How to move your T2 bpo's
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:51:00 - [24] BoB are the best pvp alliance in the game bar none. It's not the isk, it's not the ships, it's not the modules, it's not anything other than the pure teamwork built up over years of playing together. Keep trying peeps and remember not to slate us until the fat lady sings... you never know when you will end up with egg on your face. Thanks, dbp Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Cornflake	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:52:00 - [25] The 2 richest alliances in the game in the final...really shows how much skill is involved in this tournament!
Mtthias Clemi Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Trevedian I bet ASCN wish they at least tried to push BOB back now after the pathetic attempt at 1v1 Railcrow fiasco... But no one could beat ASCN's team kudos to them... But they left the match in the hands of someone who had no clue how to PVP in a ceptor... You obviously havent seen MR Fix's killbaord profile
Joshua Foiritain Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Cornflake The 2 richest alliances in the game in the final...really shows how much skill is involved in this tournament! Maybe theres a reason theyve become the richest alliances in the game? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Stamm Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:00:00 - [28] Originally by: Cornflake The 2 richest alliances in the game in the final...really shows how much skill is involved in this tournament! Nah. You can pretty much take it for granted that there were pirate implants in everybody that got to the last 8, and likely the last 16. And why are BoB and ASCN rich? Because they're successful. And why are they successful? Because they're talented. And oh look, they happen to be good at PvP too (or at least have 5 players that are good at PvP), why's that, perhaps it's something to do with being talented? After the great entertainment that Eve TV have put on for us, the work that has gone in from Eve Radio and CCP, and the participation by the alliances it's saddening to see bitter people sniping at BoB with alts when really all I can say is thanks for the entertainment.
splattercat Special Tactics and Operations Party O X I D E	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:03:00 - [29] Yer Congratz BoB, well played.. And a big thank you to all the other allances who took part, i for one had a blast, even though we got hammered, i sware i was more nervous in those fights then in normal pvp
Leon 026 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Cornflake The 2 richest alliances in the game in the final...really shows how much skill is involved in this tournament! You're an alliance, and everyone invests effort/time/money so that their alliance wins through top quality gear. If you dont put in the investment, then dont whine your team thats representing your alliance isnt kitted out with the best gear to win. ------------------------------- [ 2006.06.22 04:28:01 ] Leon 026 > My Crow dances like she's on ecstasy

Schneiderr Times of Ancar R i s e	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:05:00 - [31] congrats to bob, you deserved the win... the fight with just two of your ships left aginst iac was really amazing
SUPER J0SH	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:06:00 - [32] Perhaps a silly question for BoB, and I didn't hear anything on it in the commentary, but here goes: Why when you started spreading fire didn't you start popping the maintanance drones to help break the tank? Or were you?
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Trevedian I bet ASCN wish they at least tried to push BOB back now after the pathetic attempt at 1v1 Railcrow fiasco... But no one could beat ASCN's team kudos to them... But they left the match in the hands of someone who had no clue how to PVP in a ceptor... Its 3 rocket launchers with a rail gun stuck in the last 4th spot. So give the guy some slack. It wasn't about rails, it was about range.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:14:00 - [34] Originally by: Trevedian I bet ASCN wish they at least tried to push BOB back now after the pathetic attempt at 1v1 Railcrow fiasco... But no one could beat ASCN's team kudos to them... But they left the match in the hands of someone who had no clue how to PVP in a ceptor... Props to both teams.. BS like this is not needed.
NIkis	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:21:00 - [35] grats BOB .. tho i was hopin for ASCN to win
ragewind Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Trevedian I bet ASCN wish they at least tried to push BOB back now after the pathetic attempt at 1v1 Railcrow fiasco... But no one could beat ASCN's team kudos to them... But they left the match in the hands of someone who had no clue how to PVP in a ceptor... Its 3 rocket launchers with a rail gun stuck in the last 4th spot. So give the guy some slack. It wasn't about rails, it was about range. thanks to a bob member pointing out to all the fools that there is 4 highs 3 launcher 1 turret, and thus a rail is there as max offence ability. so the only factor in set ups as you say was range. ps can you educate the comentators for the next tornerment so they have the basic nolage too. nice battel well planed out to counter each other anded in a 1v1 so not a lot you can say to that other than enjoy the new toys. ------------------------------------ fix eves industrial sector! advanced industrial ship
Leon 026 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:42:00 - [37] Yes, its a rocket crow setup with a 125mm rail in the 4th slot. Its not some retarded railcrow setup people are whining about, and imagining it to be. ------------------------------- [ 2006.06.22 04:28:01 ] Leon 026 > My Crow dances like she's on ecstasy
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.07.24 01:54:00 - [38] Edited by: welsh wizard on 24/07/2006 01:54:29 .
BillyBong2 Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 01:54:00 - [39] Congrats to BoB. That semi-final match will probably be the talk of this Tourney. Aside from Eve TV being brand new at what they did and I thought it was awesome. Also, I thoought IFNI was the best analyst as far as neutrality could go. He did a great job of commenting. Great job everyone! _________________________
nails Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 04:41:00 - [40] I've been preaching the importance of anime, and kayo the importance of cat girls for a long time. It is a powerful combo. Stavros saw the power long ago, if only he didn't stop playing Truly proud of you Kayo! Just try not to scare everyone away with your ego. Btw, itÆs ôKai-yo-so-neeö not ôKay-yo-so-neeö and if kayo tries to correct me, donÆt listen to him, he doesnÆt know what heÆs talking about. -------------- http://nails.otaku.jp/ota-corps/--Adv Anime Rank

SlyPanther Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 05:23:00 - [41] Congratulations to BoB and ASCN on getting through to the Finals and of course Congratulations to BoB on winning the competition. Well played to all the teams that entered and fought ! I know you all kept me up to 6am a few nights watching the live streams (Aussie times suck for EVE) and it peaked my interest in PvP :) ---------- Steve Erwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia
Tiberius Caesar Sothebys	Posted - 2006.07.24 06:31:00 - [42] Originally by: RaptorX secondly had the 5 on 5 continued ASCN would have won hands down. Kozak had the winning strategy. GO ASCN! regards, RaptorX Why say things like this? What would they have done, waited for BOB to run ut of ammo?
Qual Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 07:11:00 - [43] Nice show. Congrats to BoB! (Evol, time to leave BoB and create something even more ebil to kill off BoB. Like you did with FA a few years back.) T2 Production - Modules and Ships (Interceptors/Assault Frigates/Heavy Assault Cruisers) T1 Production - Battleships, Capital Ships
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 07:33:00 - [44] Now i've stopped screaming "YAAAAAAARRRBBQ!111one" continuously, I thought I'd post to say "w00t !!" instead. VGG, great semi final. Crap final, but who cares ? .... POST WITH YOUR MAIN !!!!11111one Real men use blasters
Hunt Smacker Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 07:41:00 - [45] Those semi-finals were absolutely fantastic, FTW to the all Gallente team ASCN. It brings a tear to my eye to see them play! I think if BoB didn't have the Huginn, then things would have been pretty messy for them in the final. Congrats anyhow! I still think they should make it a Battleship 1on1 in the future... -----------
Audrea Widowmakers Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.07.24 07:52:00 - [46] Originally by: Tiberius Caesar Originally by: RaptorX secondly had the 5 on 5 continued ASCN would have won hands down. Kozak had the winning strategy. GO ASCN! regards, RaptorX Why say things like this? What would they have done, waited for BOB to run ut of ammo? I dont think so, I think ASCN made a mistake of waiting for BoB instead of coming to them: They were close range and BoB was long range, meaning to ASCN the distance didnt matter regarding their ability to tank. Therefore, they had 30 (!) mins total to close up 50km gap, So they should have been going slowly towards the BoB team, and if needed, send in one of the frigates (we saw they dont die anyway) to web one of their key ships, and then close in with the rest. But I guess their commander wasnt smart enough for that, or didnt think wise to fit at least one webber on one of the frigs since they all were blasters... ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
News Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:09:00 - [47] Congrats BoB! While disappointed with the entertainment value of the final, I can see how it turned into such a stalemate. ASCN approaching BoB would've been suicide with the huginn undoubtedly having it's webbers primed. Maybe BoB could've approached ASCN and drive them out of the Arena, but I doubt they'd have fallen for that. At least the inty fight was over quickly Glad that didn't end up in watching 2 crows orbiting eachother for another 10 minutes. Have to say that ASCN did a good job too, tanking BoB's dps wasn't easy, and the urge to try and get in there guns blazing must have been hard
Midnight Oil	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:10:00 - [48] Edited by: Midnight Oil on 24/07/2006 08:10:32 darn webpage changing def chars argghhh
OzaLoni Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:11:00 - [49] Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Tiberius Caesar Originally by: RaptorX secondly had the 5 on 5 continued ASCN would have won hands down. Kozak had the winning strategy. GO ASCN! regards, RaptorX Why say things like this? What would they have done, waited for BOB to run ut of ammo? I dont think so, I think ASCN made a mistake of waiting for BoB instead of coming to them: They were close range and BoB was long range, meaning to ASCN the distance didnt matter regarding their ability to tank. Therefore, they had 30 (!) mins total to close up 50km gap, So they should have been going slowly towards the BoB team, and if needed, send in one of the frigates (we saw they dont die anyway) to web one of their key ships, and then close in with the rest. But I guess their commander wasnt smart enough for that, or didnt think wise to fit at least one webber on one of the frigs since they all were blasters... Audrea - that would have been the end of the frig, any ship that went more that 10K away from the main group would have died v quickly... They had to move as a group or not at all! But I do agree it was very lame to just sit there take it... but oh well...GG to all w00t! Nice ego, we'll take it!
Audrea Widowmakers Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:14:00 - [50] Originally by: OzaLoni Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Tiberius Caesar Originally by: RaptorX secondly had the 5 on 5 continued ASCN would have won hands down. Kozak had the winning strategy. GO ASCN! regards, RaptorX Why say things like this? What would they have done, waited for BOB to run ut of ammo? I dont think so, I think ASCN made a mistake of waiting for BoB instead of coming to them: They were close range and BoB was long range, meaning to ASCN the distance didnt matter regarding their ability to tank. Therefore, they had 30 (!) mins total to close up 50km gap, So they should have been going slowly towards the BoB team, and if needed, send in one of the frigates (we saw they dont die anyway) to web one of their key ships, and then close in with the rest. But I guess their commander wasnt smart enough for that, or didnt think wise to fit at least one webber on one of the frigs since they all were blasters... Audrea - that would have been the end of the frig, any ship that went more that 10K away from the main group would have died v quickly... They had to move as a group or not at all! But I do agree it was very lame to just sit there take it... but oh well...GG to all w00t! Yeah true, what I meant is that ALL their ships move together in the speed of the slowest one, and if needed, one frig could go out to web their primary while the rest approach. The repair drones would have been enough to hold out for that long I think.. depends how many drones they had. ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.

Moghydin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:22:00 - [51] The frig had to be in the distance of maintenance drones, cap transfer and armor rep, that's why they had to move as one unit i.e. at the speed of the slowest ship. And it was not lame. They had their strategy, BoB had their. Both strategies worked well. The fact that ASCN didn't get to press F1,F2,F3... is not making them lame. After all, BoB made no effort to try out something to actually break the tank. No one wanted to lose, that's why no one tried some unconventional risky moves. As for the inty duel. 1) CCP should rematch it with both pilots having autoreject on. 2) those who spammed pilots with convos should enjoy a nice perma-ban on their accounts. 3) too bad ASCN didn't expect that BoB will actually pull their ceptor setup off ASCN own killboard, why they couldn't do the same, or at least think about this happening.
Zajo The Corporation	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:30:00 - [52] Congratulation guys, you did an awesome job thru the whole tourney. Now all of you go and thank the real reason why you won ... KRYZTAL ofc You need a females love to get all the way ----------------------------------------------- "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:31:00 - [53] Originally by: Moghydin As for the inty duel. 1) CCP should rematch it with both pilots having autoreject on. 2) those who spammed pilots with convos should enjoy a nice perma-ban on their accounts. 3) too bad ASCN didn't expect that BoB will actually pull their ceptor setup off ASCN own killboard, why they couldn't do the same, or at least think about this happening. As for the inty duel, it would make no difference tbh. Any number of rematches in the same ships with the same pilots would give the same result. If you think that changing the setups should be allowed, you are not asking for a rematch, you are asking for a second chance. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Eyeshadow Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:36:00 - [54] Edited by: Eyeshadow on 24/07/2006 08:42:52 Quote: But I do agree it was very lame to just sit there take it... but oh well...GG to all tbh, and i mean this with respect, it was pretty "lame" (lame being a valid tactic) for BOB to field the huginn. They must have watched our match against ASCN and saw that with a torp raven (5/2 torp/cruise), a 720 gankish sleipnir and a cerberus we couldnt break the tank on the deimos or the eos. How they expected to do it with a 7 cruise CNR and a gang modded Vulture i have no idea The problem was, both teams played the "no matter what we arent going to lose" strategy (pretty much like what SMASH did and got slated for) which led to a complete stalemate. If props go to anyone it should be ASCN for fielding something of a different setup to the usual and a display of good teamwork, no matter how boring it was Oh and please change the decider for next time. Arranged inty duels are so crap its not funny and something better (though i cant think what) should have been used to wrap up what has been an awesome tournament My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Moghydin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:42:00 - [55] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Moghydin As for the inty duel. 1) CCP should rematch it with both pilots having autoreject on. 2) those who spammed pilots with convos should enjoy a nice perma-ban on their accounts. 3) too bad ASCN didn't expect that BoB will actually pull their ceptor setup off ASCN own killboard, why they couldn't do the same, or at least think about this happening. As for the inty duel, it would make no difference tbh. Any number of rematches in the same ships with the same pilots would give the same result. If you think that changing the setups should be allowed, you are not asking for a rematch, you are asking for a second chance. I'm not asking for setup change. I know ASCN made a mistake with their setup and would lose again. But as ASCN crow was sorter range it had to do more manuevering (sp) and in that case those convos influenced him more. It would only be a fair play game without all those tards spamming convos.
Mordu skal Northern Intelligence Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:45:00 - [56] Congrats to BoB and ascn, some nice fights. I kind of think do with the rules at hand, the only two viable options to win where a missile/tank setup are an uber tank setup. Rails, arties are long range lasers just don't have the damage i think and would have trouble if the others would come close range, for close range blasters, autocanons, nosses and lasers the webifier bonus ships take care of that. Maybe ascn could have used a webifier ship to but well they just would still crawl to eachother. Maybe with ecm allowed we would see different setups in the finals. All in all i really enjoyed it. --------------------------------------------- I have no idea
Calendril Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:58:00 - [57] Congrats to BoB on the win Cya around Greetz
RogerWilco Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 09:03:00 - [58] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Originally by: Trevedian I bet ASCN wish they at least tried to push BOB back now after the pathetic attempt at 1v1 Railcrow fiasco... But no one could beat ASCN's team kudos to them... But they left the match in the hands of someone who had no clue how to PVP in a ceptor... You obviously havent seen MR Fix's killbaord profile take a closer look....
Zakalwe	Posted - 2006.07.24 09:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Tiberius Caesar Originally by: RaptorX secondly had the 5 on 5 continued ASCN would have won hands down. Kozak had the winning strategy. GO ASCN! regards, RaptorX Why say things like this? What would they have done, waited for BOB to run ut of ammo? I dont think so, I think ASCN made a mistake of waiting for BoB instead of coming to them: They were close range and BoB was long range, meaning to ASCN the distance didnt matter regarding their ability to tank. Therefore, they had 30 (!) mins total to close up 50km gap, So they should have been going slowly towards the BoB team, and if needed, send in one of the frigates (we saw they dont die anyway) to web one of their key ships, and then close in with the rest. But I guess their commander wasnt smart enough for that, or didnt think wise to fit at least one webber on one of the frigs since they all were blasters... Signed. Thought that ACSN kissdeath them. They dont doi it. Why ? Hmmm... Dan Simmons Hyperion and Iain.M.Banks Culture Novels : for SF Connoisseurs only
Minerma	Posted - 2006.07.24 09:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Eyeshadow Edited by: Eyeshadow on 24/07/2006 08:42:52 Quote: But I do agree it was very lame to just sit there take it... but oh well...GG to all tbh, and i mean this with respect, it was pretty "lame" (lame being a valid tactic) for BOB to field the huginn. They must have watched our match against ASCN and saw that with a torp raven (5/2 torp/cruise), a 720 gankish sleipnir and a cerberus we couldnt break the tank on the deimos or the eos. How they expected to do it with a 7 cruise CNR and a gang modded Vulture i have no idea The problem was, both teams played the "no matter what we arent going to lose" strategy (pretty much like what SMASH did and got slated for) which led to a complete stalemate. If props go to anyone it should be ASCN for fielding something of a different setup to the usual and a display of good teamwork, no matter how boring it was Oh and please change the decider for next time. Arranged inty duels are so crap its not funny and something better (though i cant think what) should have been used to wrap up what has been an awesome tournament So you admit that alltho you had a dmg oriented team, you still lost to ASCN's tank team. BoB had the brains AT LEAST to counter their dmg, yet you call them lame. Bitter, anyone?

Andy Pipkin	Posted - 2006.07.24 09:20:00 - [61] I hope the convo/gang spammers get banned, thats just lame. I bet none of them were bob, but all fanbois that never enter 0.0.
Niraco79 Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 09:25:00 - [62] Edited by: Niraco79 on 24/07/2006 09:30:28 Congratz bob for performance, hail to our ASCN team for their performance . As for those who spammed BoB pilot shame on you, if u are from ascn i hope u will get booted from this great alliance. This is not ASCN way. for those who spammed our pilot i will not say a word as i hope your corpmate`s will look at you. EDIT: as for the inty duel itself i rather see mr. fix (a great guy) to be killed by Bob counterpat in a fair fight for both parties where setup mistakes make you pay. but we will never know cause both pilots have been spammed. And BoB pilot had a better PC to counter the convo lag. And yes i think BoB pilot would win again in those setups but i repeat now we will never know for sure. Shame on those who spammed the pilots. ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Lowa Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 09:37:00 - [63] Congrats BoB! And ASCN! I was and still am impressed by what you pulled off. And the fact that both teams fielded completely different ships and still managed to tank all that damage (can we get a Damage Sustained report pls?) is a testament to the absolute brilliance of both teams. You could argue that BoB never sustained any damage but thats not the point here, hopefully you will see that. Also, it being pure Gallente vs mixed but leaning on Caldari was a really cool thing, it may have ended in a draw but when it first kicked off I was extremely pleased not seeing two Caldari dominated teams (Not that I would have argued that much had it been MC in the finals but hey ) and it was still, for me, fun to watch at least half way since there was several really nice attempts on tactics to swing the game. And it was close...soooo close that it worked. The Interceptor fight was one sided but it was a 50/50 gamble by ASCN and they picked wrong. A very valid setup (and tbh, I too thought it was only rails on that crow but that was because it looked like that and not the commentator misstake) just the wrong setup this time. However, it should have been a 5 vs 5 for maximum entertainment or perhaps 5 rounds of 1 vs 1 for the whole team but that is for the next Tourny. I hope. Please. Again, mad props to the Team's that participated, CCP, EVE-TV and all people working to bring us these type of things; It is what makes EVE stand tall above all other games! Best regards, LOWA NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.07.24 09:52:00 - [64] After the finale, I watched the ceptor duel semi-afk, often only listening to the audio stream. And effectively, when I heard the speakers laugh about a railcrow, I too simply could'n believe it. I'am a ceptor pilot myself, abandoned crusaders and came to crows because when you use snakes and Gistii-A's, there come a point where you simply go to fast to hit anything and you need something that isn't dependent on tracking. Anyhow, we may assume that both pilots would have very equivalent skills and fundamentally the same max fighting range if using standard launchers. Therefore, forgetting about speed, I would have used a very unorthodox setup basically transforming a crow into a mobile sentry missile battery as follows: - standard launchers, 2x arbies 1 malkuth - 3x Phased weapon navigation array generation extron - 2x BCS II - 200mm reinforced tungsten plate I'am quite confident that this would have blowed every classical long or close range ceptor setup, since even close combat/plated ceptors would have been hit by at least 2 volleys before being able to engage.
DeWieKat Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2006.07.24 09:59:00 - [65] congratulations to BoB for winning, and to ASCN of course for reaching finals, even though i have doubts that they would have come this far without species5618. anyway, was a great tournament, looking fwd to the next one ;) Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. And please ensure text is in English - Cortes
Eyeshadow Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:04:00 - [66] Good day mr altage Quote: So you admit that alltho you had a dmg oriented team, you still lost to ASCN's tank team. BoB had the brains AT LEAST to counter their dmg, yet you call them lame. Bitter, anyone? We could have easily fielded a huginn as well, and it would have probably gone the same way the final did with not a lot happening. However, we played the riskier strategy of hoping we had enough to ***** one of their ships (either the remote tanking of the Eos, or their dmg dealer, the deimos). The strategy nearly paid off, and if we had of gone for the Eos straight away, we probably would have won Dont for a second think we didnt think of fielding a huginn to keep them at range. That was a clearly obvious strategy that anyone could have played. We decided to play it differently, and it didnt pay off. Am i bitter about it? Hell no, our team was top notch and wiped the floor with just about every team we went up against. Just look at our fight against The Five and how quickly our team took them down. What have i got to be bitter about? Some good friends of mine won the competition, and they did bloody well to do it again. The only reason i voiced my opinion was because one of the DICE guys said it was lame for ASCN to sit there and tank it. I disagreed and gave my opinion on the fight. If it was lame for ASCN to sit and tank then it was just as lame for BOB to field the huginn. What else could ASCN have done? There was no way they would have got into range with the huginn on the field My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Sirkill	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:08:00 - [67] I think the next tournment should change the ship format a lot. The current 1 of each size lends itself two easily to tanking, forever.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:14:00 - [68] Quote: So you admit that alltho you had a dmg oriented team, you still lost to ASCN's tank team. BoB had the brains AT LEAST to counter their dmg, yet you call them lame. Bitter, anyone? See my comments on the ASCN match here. What Eye said is correct - we considered the Huginn and decided it would be more risky/fun/satisfying to go in and try to win with raw firepower. Even ASCN will tell you that the match could have gone either way at least three times. No bitterness, no regrets. We had no forfeits and got the pleasure of fighting some very honorable and fun opponents. I believe we gathered and returned the loot from every match we won and returned it to the opposing team as well. The MC quite literally burned our way through every match we fought. We went out is a blaze of glory and I won't second guess our decisions after the fact. The four best teams made it and the two teams with the "smarter" tactics went forward to the final. It was a bit anti-climactic, but such is the way of things. We can all try again in six months! \o/ - Latest MC Movie - Nation Building
R31D	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:24:00 - [69] I remember last time when BoB won and IRC/ingame were going crazy Congratz BoB, you guys earnt it Free bumpage for all
Gunstar Zero Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:26:00 - [70] Edited by: Gunstar Zero on 24/07/2006 10:29:15 Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 24/07/2006 09:54:38 After the finale, I watched the ceptor duel semi-afk, often only listening to the audio stream. And effectively, when I heard the speakers laugh about a railcrow, I too simply could'n believe it. I'am a ceptor pilot myself, abandoned crusaders and came to crows because when you use snakes and Gistii-A's, there come a point where you simply go to fast to hit anything and you need something that isn't dependent on tracking. Anyhow, we may assume that both pilots would have very equivalent skills and fundamentally the same max fighting range if using standard launchers. Therefore, forgetting about speed, I would have used a very unorthodox setup basically transforming a crow into a mobile sentry missile battery as follows: - standard launchers, 2x arbies 1 malkuth - 3x Phased weapon navigation array generation extron - 2x BCS II - 200mm reinforced tungsten plate I'am quite confident that this would have blowed every classical long or close range ceptor setup, since even close combat/plated ceptors would have been hit by at least 2 volleys before being able to engage. Congrats BOB, and your performance in the match against IAC is what renders EVE such a wonderful game. We obviously think along similar lines setup was: 3 x Standard Launcher IIs 1 x MWD II 1 x Sensor Booster II 1 x Target Painter II 1 x Local Hull Nanofiber 1 x PDU II 1 x Cap Power Relay I think top speed was ~ 8k/s Theoretical max range on the lights was just shy of 60km.

Kcel Chim Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:33:00 - [71] congratz bob, awesome matches and well done on your second score. To all the nay sayers and complainers about the "boring final". If one side only has the dps of 1 combat ship and relies purely on nos + ubertank there is not much you can do even with "good dps". Now if this side is also stopped by a mod and ship used in a noteable amount of the matches its not bob who calculated or played it lame. Ascn tried to do a 1 trick pony going shortrange and nos / remoterepping again after its success against mc. Bad choice of setup especially since bob had to switch 1 ship anyways because a logistic ship would have been deadish weight against a suckathron anyways. For the mc team, as much as i liked your matches and really saw you go further you talk too arrogant wrg to "not taking the easiest solution". Thats like claiming anyone especially hardening against kinetic and thermal vs ASCN would take the easy way....
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:41:00 - [72] Originally by: Kcel Chim For the mc team, as much as i liked your matches and really saw you go further you talk too arrogant wrg to "not taking the easiest solution". Thats like claiming anyone especially hardening against kinetic and thermal vs ASCN would take the easy way.... Arrogant? M8, I never said anything about "easy" or "hard". I just said we went with what probably wasn't the smartest solution. We used the "UGH SMASH WITH STICK!" approach because we thought it would be more fun. As for our hardening, we changed absolutely nothing on our ships for that fight. Hell, our Cerb had something insane like 90%+ resists to kin/thermal the entire Tourney anyway. - Latest MC Movie - Nation Building
Kcel Chim Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:49:00 - [73] i was more refering to Eyeshadow who started to call ppl "lame" for using a ship and a mod this tourney has seen a dozend times. That MC tried another approach, well done sadly it didnt work. BoB - Mc would have been interesting, but luck decided that match (the eos coming back in the missile reload) as some others (wrecking hits on the curse or the nearly decisive turn on disconnects).
Eyeshadow Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:50:00 - [74] Edited by: Eyeshadow on 24/07/2006 10:50:37 We didnt beat ASCN, but neither did BOB My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:50:00 - [75] Don't bite Seleene. We know you guys did great. But then you would, because you are our alts. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Kcel Chim Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:52:00 - [76] Originally by: Eyeshadow Edited by: Eyeshadow on 24/07/2006 10:50:37 We didnt beat ASCN, but neither did BOB thats wrong, in the end they did. Otherwise they wouldnt have won the tourney
Eyeshadow Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:55:00 - [77] Originally by: Kcel Chim i was more refering to Eyeshadow who started to call ppl "lame" for using a ship and a mod this tourney has seen a dozend times. That MC tried another approach, well done sadly it didnt work. BoB - Mc would have been interesting, but luck decided that match (the eos coming back in the missile reload) as some others (wrecking hits on the curse or the nearly decisive turn on disconnects). Ok, im gonna get angry. Read my **in post you ** I called BOB "lame" as the DICE guy called ASCN "lame". Why? Well if you wanna call ASCN sitting and tanking, when they couldnt do anything else lame, then why not call BOB lame for fielding the Huginn? It was fairly obvious what would happen if BOB fielded the huginn, and it was fairly abvious what would have happened if ASCN have changed to a rail setup The only thing that could have made the final exciting was is either of the teams had done some "dangerous", such as ASCN fielding a completely different race of ships (which i doubt their entire team was specced for) or for BOB to stick with the logistics cruiser and hope they can tank ASCN long enough to kill them (which going by our fight with ASCN, would have been suicide) So both teams played it safe, stuck with what they had or what they knew was the safe option and the match was boring. To call either teams lame, is, imo, stupid. That is the entire point i have been trying to make, but which no one seems able to grasp. Sheesh i thought this community was intelligent but apparently all you have to do is call someone lame and everyone stops reading My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Eyeshadow Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:02:00 - [78] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Eyeshadow Edited by: Eyeshadow on 24/07/2006 10:50:37 We didnt beat ASCN, but neither did BOB thats wrong, in the end they did. Otherwise they wouldnt have won the tourney I dont really want to get into the semantics of it all and detract from BOB winning the tournament, but.... BOB won an arranged interceptor 1v1. They didnt beat the ASCN five man team with their five man team. So to say BOB fielding the huginn was a master stroke in strategy terms is plainly wrong. If they had done something radical and wiped out the ASCN team in 5 minutes i think everyone would bow down to BOB as teh uber (just like they were in the IAC fight tbh), but fielding the huginn was both the safe and obvious choice which led to the stalemate. Just out of curiosity, did anyone manage to take out all 5 of ASCN's ships during the tournament? My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:10:00 - [79] Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 24/07/2006 11:12:22 I have to give kudos to the ASCN pilots, their setup is extremely effective (as proved last time around), from what I can tell they were using something along the lines of: Navy Mega - Nos/large remote rep combo up top Eos - Nos/remote rep combo again Deimos - Damage dealer Eris/Ishkur - Logistic drone support, cannon fodder basically Typically most teams went straight for the smaller ships, either cruiser and/or destroyer, if you try this against ASCN they just remote rep the ships to the point where they're nigh on unkillable and by the time you've realised this there's a Mega and an Eos sucking you dry whilst a Deimos takes you apart with his blasters. To effectively beat the ASCN setup you have to break the healing chain, this means knocking out either the Navy Mega or the Eos, once you've done that you can take out the other healing ship relatively easy and then the Deimos will melt shortly after. This is what we did last time round knocking out the Mega first which had so successfully kept the Deimos alive throughout the rest of the tourney. Imo, the "problem" was the gang size, five people is enough to create a rediculously powerful healing chain whilst still easily coordinated and very little chance a quick change of targets would lead to someone being instapopped. I wouldn't pin the blame on us for just neutralising their setup, others tried and failed to break their tanks and had we fielded the Scimitar and let them get right on top of us they probably would've taken us apart. Look at the first final, we only just took out that bastard Navy Mega in time with Fury Cruise, this time we had to do it without Fury missiles and with an extra healing ship in their gang?! I'd like to see team sizes of ten next time round tbh, there will be less emphasis on tanking and more on damage output which will make the matches much more entertaining to watch imo.
News Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:16:00 - [80] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Eyeshadow Edited by: Eyeshadow on 24/07/2006 10:50:37 We didnt beat ASCN, but neither did BOB thats wrong, in the end they did. Otherwise they wouldnt have won the tourney I dont really want to get into the semantics of it all and detract from BOB winning the tournament, but.... BOB won an arranged interceptor 1v1. They didnt beat the ASCN five man team with their five man team. So to say BOB fielding the huginn was a master stroke in strategy terms is plainly wrong. If they had done something radical and wiped out the ASCN team in 5 minutes i think everyone would bow down to BOB as teh uber (just like they were in the IAC fight tbh), but fielding the huginn was both the safe and obvious choice which led to the stalemate. Just out of curiosity, did anyone manage to take out all 5 of ASCN's ships during the tournament? Saying that BoB didn't beat ASCN but only won an arranged intie 1v1 is like saying Italy didn't really win the world cup, but only managed to beat France in a penalty shoot out. The rules have stated for a long while that in case of an absolute tie, a 1v1 intie fight would bring the decision. Like it or not, those were the rules, so technically BoB did beat ASCN. But what does it really matter anyway? The tourny has been played, lots of fun was had, there are always going to be people ****ing about insert random alliance here*. I had a lot of fun helping out in the matches I was involved in, had a lot of fun watching the other matches and discussing what was going on with corpmates, and ofcourse falling asleep during the final

Eyeshadow Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:16:00 - [81] Quote: I'd like to see team sizes of ten next time round tbh, there will be less emphasis on tanking and more on damage output which will make the matches much more entertaining to watch imo. What do you reckon? 2 of each class then, or say 2 BS, 3 BC, 3 HAC, 1 frig, 1 interdictor? If you want 10 ships (which i dont think is a bad idea) how would you like them split up? My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
OzaLoni Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:20:00 - [82] Quote: I called BOB "lame" as the DICE guy called ASCN "lame". Hiya Eye...Btw I'm not DICE, but BNC. Either way. I stand by my comment. They had plenty of time to try and get closer, probably in vein but trying and failing is better than sitting still and not accomplishing anything. If you continue to field a setup that is shut down by a single module then you can't complain if you are stuck in making your plans work. Its all done now, no point crying over the milk. Its a shame you guys lost Nice ego, we'll take it!
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:22:00 - [83] Originally by: Eyeshadow Quote: I'd like to see team sizes of ten next time round tbh, there will be less emphasis on tanking and more on damage output which will make the matches much more entertaining to watch imo. What do you reckon? 2 of each class then, or say 2 BS, 3 BC, 3 HAC, 1 frig, 1 interdictor? If you want 10 ships (which i dont think is a bad idea) how would you like them split up? I'd have to give it some more thought but I don't think the following would be too bad... 2x Frigate 2x Cruiser 1x BC 5x BS The reason I'd like to see more BS than support is purely because of the damage capabilities, two BS aren't going to be able to put enough down to swing the match around if the other team are heavily rep'ing one person for example.
Danari Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:22:00 - [84] Edited by: Danari on 24/07/2006 11:22:07 Originally by: Eyeshadow Just out of curiosity, did anyone manage to take out all 5 of ASCN's ships during the tournament? ASCN lost all of 2 destroyers and a small mountain of drones.
Dracolich North Star Networks Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:30:00 - [85] I wanna congratulate my own alliance for bringing some of the most entertaining matches. The match against ASCN was the best I have seen in the tourney. As everyone could hear, the CNRs damage stopped as soon as the Ios hit structure, 3 more volleys or less and it would have gone down, and the fight would have been won. Now once again, MC was beaten coz the needed luck failed in a very close match. Ofc Kudos to ASCN also for daring the close range setup. All in all I think it was okay Bob won, but only due to their masterful semi-final. The semis had the 4 best teams in the tourney, imho. If I should rate the 4 tops from viewing what I had in the tourney, I think it should have been like this: 1. MC. 2. Bob 3. ASCN 4. IAC. I think IAC was the biggest surprise for me in the tourney, they were very good, but as always, its the little differences(making the right choice in the right time, doing max damage, having the right counter etc that made the differences). _______________________________________ Does killing the weak, make you feel strong?
News Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:31:00 - [86] Why not do something like a 7 v 7, with ships free of choice, just not more than 3 out of the same class? And allow a pool of 10 pilots to choose from. Might have to fiddle with the numbers, but you get the idea. It would make for some interesting strategy options, and it would be a lot harder to predict what each team would field.
Khalistra Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:37:00 - [87] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 24/07/2006 10:16:08 Quote: So you admit that alltho you had a dmg oriented team, you still lost to ASCN's tank team. BoB had the brains AT LEAST to counter their dmg, yet you call them lame. Bitter, anyone? See my comments on the ASCN match here. What Eye said is correct - we considered the Huginn and decided it would be more risky/fun/satisfying to go in and try to win with raw firepower. Even ASCN will tell you that the match could have gone either way at least three times. No bitterness, no regrets. We had no forfeits and got the pleasure of fighting some very honorable and fun opponents. I believe we gathered the loot from every match we won and returned it to the opposing team as well. The MC quite literally burned our way through every match we fought. We went out in a blaze of glory and I won't second guess our decisions after the fact. The four best teams made it and the two teams with the "smarter" tactics went forward to the final. It was a bit anti-climactic, but such is the way of things. We can all try again in six months! \o/ I'd like to congratulate BoB on a fine tournament. They played well, and they played to win. I'm happier that we as the underdogs got through to the finals, then I am disappointed that we didn't win overall. Much <3 to all teams that we fought against (and those we didn't), to the devs/ISD/EveTV/Volunteers etc. Special hugs to LeMonde for his patience and hard work during the last few weeks to make all this happen. Thank you Seleene for for a freaking AWESOME match, my hands were shaking pretty badly after our match. Thank you Kozak and the other fine ASCN pilots I flew with for the entire tournament, your dedication and teamwork makes me very proud to be a part of our alliance. Thanks also to the support of all other ASCN pilots who supported us during the tournament, both with the equipment you supplied, and the words of encouragement and praise you gave us on a daily basis.
Darko1107 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:39:00 - [88] Originally by: OzaLoni Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Tiberius Caesar Originally by: RaptorX secondly had the 5 on 5 continued ASCN would have won hands down. Kozak had the winning strategy. GO ASCN! regards, RaptorX Why say things like this? What would they have done, waited for BOB to run ut of ammo? I dont think so, I think ASCN made a mistake of waiting for BoB instead of coming to them: They were close range and BoB was long range, meaning to ASCN the distance didnt matter regarding their ability to tank. Therefore, they had 30 (!) mins total to close up 50km gap, So they should have been going slowly towards the BoB team, and if needed, send in one of the frigates (we saw they dont die anyway) to web one of their key ships, and then close in with the rest. But I guess their commander wasnt smart enough for that, or didnt think wise to fit at least one webber on one of the frigs since they all were blasters... Audrea - that would have been the end of the frig, any ship that went more that 10K away from the main group would have died v quickly... They had to move as a group or not at all! But I do agree it was very lame to just sit there take it... but oh well...GG to all w00t! Sorry, but how the **** does a team not just sit there when they are being webbed so that the are unable to get into thier optimal range? Its YOUR fault that they just sat there, you could have let them come nearer, but ofcourse that wasnt going to happen. In effect your calling yourself lame for making them just sit there. I however think both teams did well in the final, and played it safe, like any team would in such a tourny. The inty fight was totally bollucks, what the hell were ASCN thinking, threw the tourny away. Congratz to BoB for winning it convincingly once again. I do however feel that if MC had gone for the EOS first it would have been a better final. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
griff1972 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:51:00 - [89] well done bob, well done all the other alliances was good entertainment I enjoyed watching it even though I forgot about my covert ops on a gate and it got pawned.
Eyeshadow Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:55:00 - [90] Originally by: OzaLoni Quote: I called BOB "lame" as the DICE guy called ASCN "lame". Hiya Eye...Btw I'm not DICE, but BNC. Either way. I stand by my comment. They had plenty of time to try and get closer, probably in vein but trying and failing is better than sitting still and not accomplishing anything. If you continue to field a setup that is shut down by a single module then you can't complain if you are stuck in making your plans work. Its all done now, no point crying over the milk. Its a shame you guys lost My apologies m8, was those new sigs that you use, thought only DICE had them Anyway, yes what you say is true, fielding a setup that can be neutralised by 1 module is probably not that smart, but then what else could they do? A rail setup would have been totally ineffective, there was no point in them even attempting to approach the BOB team, they were never gonna get close. That was point. It wasnt "lame", there was just nothing else they could do As for my comment about BOB not beating ASCN, i still stand by it. Nobody could best the ASCN tanking, and sometimes, like they did against us and Stain, they could get in close enough to do their thing. If they couldnt get in close, then their tanks were too strong for ANY team in the game to break. That says 2 things. 1) They planned that setup very carefully and used it to great effect and 2) Kozak is a boring mofo . ASCN strategy = We wont lose. They played it and did it the whole tournament. Remote reps + rep drones. BOB's tactic the entire tournament was exactly the same. The difference was that their damage could be done at any range, ASCN limited theirs to up close. If you review both the teams and how they played it throughout the tournament they were very similar, except for the close range ASCN against the caldari BOB team. The remote repping of the top 3 ships was the heart of both teams My Latest Vid (18/04/06)

Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:01:00 - [91] Originally by: Darko1107 Sorry, but how the **** does a team not just sit there when they are being webbed so that the are unable to get into thier optimal range? Its YOUR fault that they just sat there, you could have let them come nearer, but ofcourse that wasnt going to happen. In effect your calling yourself lame for making them just sit there. I however think both teams did well in the final, and played it safe, like any team would in such a tourny. The inty fight was totally bollucks, what the hell were ASCN thinking, threw the tourny away. Congratz to BoB for winning it convincingly once again. I do however feel that if MC had gone for the EOS first it would have been a better final. You know, at the end of the day, at least they turned up. Unlike other teams we could mention. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Mariko San	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:03:00 - [92] Originally by: News Saying that BoB didn't beat ASCN but only won an arranged intie 1v1 is like saying Italy didn't really win the world cup, but only managed to beat France in a penalty shoot out. Thing is that is exactly how I viewed the world cup final, settling things on penalties or a 1 v 1 ceptor fight is a really sucky way to settle things IMO and its not the same as really "winning". What I would like to have seen is the match be extended for 5 minutes and at the end of each 5 minutes each team has to withdraw 1 ship until you are left with a 1 vs 1 batle which at least keeps it to the teams that entered in the first place and makes it likely for a better finish.
Auntie Bob	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:05:00 - [93] Gratz BoB well fought again. Hopefully the next tourney will have a few tweaks otherwise I can see alot of teams going for the ASCN option. Oh and BoB now that you have 2 motherships will you use one or are they to stay in the trophy cabinet (just curious never really heard you using the last one)?
Darko1107 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:07:00 - [94] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Darko1107 Sorry, but how the ** does a team not just sit there when they are being webbed so that the are unable to get into thier optimal range? Its YOUR fault that they just sat there, you could have let them come nearer, but ofcourse that wasnt going to happen. In effect your calling yourself lame for making them just sit there. I however think both teams did well in the final, and played it safe, like any team would in such a tourny. The inty fight was totally bollucks, what the hell were ASCN thinking, threw the tourny away. Congratz to BoB for winning it convincingly once again. I do however feel that if MC had gone for the EOS first it would have been a better final. You know, at the end of the day, at least they turned up. Unlike other teams we could mention. IRON were very busy at the time and me and Buddrow both had major personal problems at the time so i couldnt really give a ** what you think. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Darko1107 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:07:00 - [95] Edited by: Darko1107 on 24/07/2006 12:08:48 Double post. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Vardemis Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:07:00 - [96] Originally by: OzaLoni Quote: I called BOB "lame" as the DICE guy called ASCN "lame". Hiya Eye...Btw I'm not DICE, but BNC. Either way. I stand by my comment. They had plenty of time to try and get closer, probably in vein but trying and failing is better than sitting still and not accomplishing anything. If you continue to field a setup that is shut down by a single module then you can't complain if you are stuck in making your plans work. Its all done now, no point crying over the milk. Its a shame you guys lost Moving was no tactical option, BoB would have been able to outmaneuver us easily besides the fact that they would have had a chance to seperate ships through tactical webbing.
Eyeshadow Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:23:00 - [97] Quote: 2x Frigate 2x Cruiser 1x BC 5x BS I think that may swing it too far to instadmg turret BS, plated + dmg mods, instapopping stuff with no use for tanking/remote reps. 5 1400 tempests could probably 1/2 volley the cruisers + BCs, then its left to whoever has the highest skills with the BS v BS. Without ew, that many BS would probably make for fairly boring long range sniper fests I could be wrong of course My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:40:00 - [98] Originally by: Eyeshadow I think that may swing it too far to instadmg turret BS, plated + dmg mods, instapopping stuff with no use for tanking/remote reps. 5 1400 tempests could probably 1/2 volley the cruisers + BCs, then its left to whoever has the highest skills with the BS v BS. Without ew, that many BS would probably make for fairly boring long range sniper fests I could be wrong of course Better than a giant hug fest imo. I think there's a lot of scope for close range tactics as well though, imagine a pair of Huginn's holding down the opposite team and five Vindicators/AC Mach's roaring up, sure you might lose one or two on the approach but it'd be great fun to watch. The current layout promotes a defensive style which is ultimately quite boring most of the time. BRING ON THE BBQ SAY I!
Larsson7 Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:48:00 - [99] Firstly, Gratz to Bob. I will never forget that comeback against IAC and how everyone on our TS was simply astounded It will be interesting to see what changes LeMonde makes to the next tournament - if any. He already stated yesterday, before the ceptor duel iirc, that they would be looking at the possibility of EW which may be interesting or could be boring - depending on the limitations.
Kozak Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:03:00 - [100] Originally by: Cornflake The 2 richest alliances in the game in the final...really shows how much skill is involved in this tournament! Hey man, Look at the people on each team first then make that statement. KAOS was probably the poorest alliance in teh tournament last year. It's not about isk, although it makes it easier.

Vardemis Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:09:00 - [101] One thing about the EW modules actually allowed in this tournament was pretty obvious, they got used like mad. Which is to no big suprise, target painters allow to increase the damage potential while webs were usually needed to keep nos-boats and other close range ships at bay. It some cases a lack of choices for medium slots for the armor tanking setups or in other teams implemented in the team strategy. To allow other forms of EW can make or break the tournament though, too much will ruin it, a scorp and a rook should be able to jam easily 5 to 10 ships or at least prevent them from effective use of remote repair. I would like frig or cruiser tournaments where teams have a limit of what they can field. Since these ships are a lot less tankable as command ships and battleships the fights might be more interesting too, a lot more expensive as well though.
FireFoxx80 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:18:00 - [102] Originally by: Avon You know, at the end of the day, at least they turned up. Unlike other teams we could mention. I think this was mentioned elsewhere, but a 15:00 (16:00 BST) is a tricky time for people who are at work to make it into a tournament.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:36:00 - [103] Edited by: Blacklight on 24/07/2006 13:37:27 I think it's congrats all round to everyone who participated, I thought the whole tournament was pretty riveting and a lot of fun (barring a few matches and some no shows, which is pretty much unavoidable in a competition of this scale). The amount of time, effort and support given freely by so many people in order to make it happen speaks volumes about the game, the community and CCP. Bravos and backslaps all round! As for some of the comments in this thread, what can I say, everyone's a critic. If we had not fielded the Huggin and lost everyone would have been saying "omg BoB the lamers, how stupid are you for not adapting your setup and letting ASCN get up close" equally if ASCN hadn't kept playing to their strengths and had let us disrupt their tanking they'd have faced the same criticism. You simply can't have it both ways and you can't please everyone all the time. Just a quick comment to some of the amateur tacticians as well, if you think that we went through that fight with the brains and experience of people like TWD, Molle, Dian, DBP, Juan, Thol and myself on teamspeak together without trying every different combination of approaches to break ASCN's tank with the tools we had you are living in a dreamworld. P.S. Eyeshadow, subtle as a 1000lb bomb dropped into a glass factory as usual mate Eve Blacklight Style
Kcel Chim Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:37:00 - [104] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Kcel Chim i was more refering to Eyeshadow who started to call ppl "lame" for using a ship and a mod this tourney has seen a dozend times. That MC tried another approach, well done sadly it didnt work. BoB - Mc would have been interesting, but luck decided that match (the eos coming back in the missile reload) as some others (wrecking hits on the curse or the nearly decisive turn on disconnects). Ok, im gonna get angry. Read my **in post you ** I called BOB "lame" as the DICE guy called ASCN "lame". Why? Well if you wanna call ASCN sitting and tanking, when they couldnt do anything else lame, then why not call BOB lame for fielding the Huginn? It was fairly obvious what would happen if BOB fielded the huginn, and it was fairly abvious what would have happened if ASCN have changed to a rail setup The only thing that could have made the final exciting was is either of the teams had done some "dangerous", such as ASCN fielding a completely different race of ships (which i doubt their entire team was specced for) or for BOB to stick with the logistics cruiser and hope they can tank ASCN long enough to kill them (which going by our fight with ASCN, would have been suicide) So both teams played it safe, stuck with what they had or what they knew was the safe option and the match was boring. To call either teams lame, is, imo, stupid. That is the entire point i have been trying to make, but which no one seems able to grasp. Sheesh i thought this community was intelligent but apparently all you have to do is call someone lame and everyone stops reading seems its quiet easy to get you angry. You should take courses for that and cut down on the insults.... Anyways back to the point, ASCN set out for full tank and no damage at all (only the partly the deimos and a few light drones). If bob had attempted to change their original setup to MAYBE break the tank (something mc didnt achieve either, nearly isnt done you know) they would have thrown all eggs in one basket if ASCN surprised with last minute changes. By sticking to their already proven team and adding a hugin (with 1-2 webs not 5 so any claims "all ascn was webbed" is bollox) they setup for various scenarios. BoBs dps "nearly" broke the tank on the eos at one point aswell thats as good as you can get against an enemy whos only aim is to "outlast" you. As for "winning", the rules very preset and clear to anyone. Ascn knew and gladly accepted (by not even attempting to get close to bob) the outcome to be decided in the 1o1 (the penalty shooting of eve). If by your personal rules thats not enough its fine by me and i can respect that as your opinion, however in tourney terms bob won, period.
Eyeshadow Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:05:00 - [105] Quote: P.S. Eyeshadow, subtle as a 1000lb bomb dropped into a glass factory as usual mate Sorry m8, but you know me. Never been one for subtlety, nor am i the most eloquent of people And i still say BOB were unable to beat ASCN. I dont recall the Eos ever being in real trouble during the final. If anyone came closest to "beating" them it was us, but we werent quite good enough Again its just semantics (i think) when you say ASCN knew the outcome would be a 1v1 ceptor duel, but the point still stands that nobody was able to beat the ASCN team. Nor was anyone able to beat the BOB team. If you think a 1v1 ceptor duel should decide the outcome of such a tournament then fair enough to you. I however think its a bit crap. If anything both teams should be awarded the first prize (mothership each) and the others devided, cept for the CNR each. If neither team can beat each other, but have beaten everyone before them, then are they not as good as each other? I dont see what relevance the 1v1 ceptor duel has in a 5v5 tournament My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:10:00 - [106] Originally by: Eyeshadow Quote: P.S. Eyeshadow, subtle as a 1000lb bomb dropped into a glass factory as usual mate Sorry m8, but you know me. Never been one for subtlety, nor am i the most eloquent of people And i still say BOB were unable to beat ASCN. I dont recall the Eos ever being in real trouble during the final. If anyone came closest to "beating" them it was us, but we werent quite good enough Again its just semantics (i think) when you say ASCN knew the outcome would be a 1v1 ceptor duel, but the point still stands that nobody was able to beat the ASCN team. Nor was anyone able to beat the BOB team. If you think a 1v1 ceptor duel should decide the outcome of such a tournament then fair enough to you. I however think its a bit crap. If anything both teams should be awarded the first prize (mothership each) and the others devided, cept for the CNR each. If neither team can beat each other, but have beaten everyone before them, then are they not as good as each other? I dont see what relevance the 1v1 ceptor duel has in a 5v5 tournament We don't like to share :p
Havelcek Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:13:00 - [107] Edited by: Havelcek on 24/07/2006 14:13:35 Congrats to BoB...clash of the titans for sure.
Juan Andalusian TAOSP	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:13:00 - [108] Quote: that nobody was able to beat the ASCN team Incorrect. They lost at group stage. Pain is meant to be felt
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:29:00 - [109] I think i enjoyed this tournament and hope we gave lots of people fun watching pretty explosions. Hindsight is 20/20 and so its easy to say now what people should and shouldn't of done, the point is its done and it was great fun for those watching and those participating. Maybe the rep cycles arn't to fun and maybe there is a place for a little EW, i'm not really sure it all needs to be thought about carefully away from kneejerk reactions. What could be interesting is allow more ships but insist on them being T1 varients allowing some interesting thoughts and combinations to be applied. I guess we will find out over next christmas (when i have the proper skills i wanted this tournament)
13th	Posted - 2006.07.24 15:17:00 - [110] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Quote: that nobody was able to beat the ASCN team Incorrect. They lost at group stage. From memory, they lost 2 ships in the group stage, with a total of 2 wins, 1 tie and 1 loss. In their first match they lost their Eris to CCK, and SMASH was able to destroy their tanked interceptor by dealing slightly more damage per rep cycle than it had armor. Every volley they destroyed all of it's armor and did a sliver of structure damage, only to have the armor repair to 100% a moment later.

Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:18:00 - [111] Yeah, congratulations, guys!!! _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Darko1107 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:41:00 - [112] I do agree with eyeliner that the 1v1 ceptor thing to decide such a big tournament was kind of stupid. I mean its like having just 1 penalty at the end of the world cup. Mess up just once and your out completely, not to mention the fact that inty fights are incredibly dull to watch and very fast. Its only cos the ASCN had a dorkish setup that it last any time at all. They could have done something like best of 5 interceptor fights, allowing more for mistakes and a nice buildup of tension. I dont know, not asif ive put much thought into it, but next time there needs to be a better way of deciding IMO. But that doesnt mean that BoB in someway didnt deserve to win it, they won the tournament how it was meant to be played fair and square. I think they should also ban logistic drones for the next one, the tanking capabilities of each team made it soooo boring. As shown by the massive tanks of both ASCN/BoB in the final. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Zane Dale	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:59:00 - [113] Congratz to BoB great fight and tactics, congratz to ASCN for putting up a good fight. And a big CONGRATZ to every team the took part, but most importantly a big BOO to the teams that did not show they should be banned from the next tourney. Theres one thing feilding crazy ships (Goon) and another not showing at all (Red).
Crellion	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:06:00 - [114] I was flying with the only team of the tourney (afaik) that had almost the exact same set up and tactics as BoB (not skills dont flame) so I understood perhaps a little better than the average player what it took for them to win. We had Basilisk ctd (same as BoB ctd) against Fateweavers (a not maxed out opponent) and we were able to pull back and win the match. We then had again Basilisk ctd against a formidable opponent (5) and were creamed. For BoB to hold with the same problem against a team like IAC ... all I can say is wow. BoB are as good as ... BoB. Gratz.
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:10:00 - [115] it realy _is_ an isk/skillpoint race we in S-L know each other real life and organized a LAN for the tournament, but we did not have any chanse of winning any match becouse we only have low-grade crystal implants or no crystal implants, characters that are not having enough skillpoints and not got isk for t2 ships/ full t2 fitting. well we participated in the tournament tough and did show up in each round and did not forfeited like many other alliances did wich also screws up the tournament. tough it was a mistake to join we invested to much isk/time in it and the CNR will probitly barely make up for it, we will not join next year (like most alliances did this year) if it is organized the same as it is now ------------------------------------------- That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:22:00 - [116] Originally by: The Wizz117 it realy _is_ an isk/skillpoint race we in S-L know each other real life and organized a LAN for the tournament, but we did not have any chanse of winning any match becouse we only have low-grade crystal implants or no crystal implants, characters that are not having enough skillpoints and not got isk for t2 ships/ full t2 fitting. well we participated in the tournament tough and did show up in each round and did not forfeited like many other alliances did wich also screws up the tournament. tough it was a mistake to join we invested to much isk/time in it and the CNR will probitly barely make up for it, we will not join next year (like most alliances did this year) if it is organized the same as it is now you forgot to mention flying the raven into the middle like a moron
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:27:00 - [117] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: The Wizz117 it realy _is_ an isk/skillpoint race we in S-L know each other real life and organized a LAN for the tournament, but we did not have any chanse of winning any match becouse we only have low-grade crystal implants or no crystal implants, characters that are not having enough skillpoints and not got isk for t2 ships/ full t2 fitting. well we participated in the tournament tough and did show up in each round and did not forfeited like many other alliances did wich also screws up the tournament. tough it was a mistake to join we invested to much isk/time in it and the CNR will probitly barely make up for it, we will not join next year (like most alliances did this year) if it is organized the same as it is now you forgot to mention flying the raven into the middle like a moron haha, this was the 2e round, we had to come up with somting special we could't beat a cnr a command ship and those t2 ships with what we had... so i decided to fit a nosf-raven but it did't work well but it was cheap tough :P ------------------------------------------- That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
Schnuckelchen	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:55:00 - [118] and again good job BoB
Danii CryoTech	Posted - 2006.07.24 18:02:00 - [119] Originally by: Gunstar Zero We obviously think along similar lines setup was: 3 x Standard Launcher IIs 1 x MWD II 1 x Sensor Booster II 1 x Target Painter II 1 x Local Hull Nanofiber 1 x PDU II 1 x Cap Power Relay I think top speed was ~ 8k/s Theoretical max range on the lights was just shy of 60km. 8k/s? I get 4.5k/s with the same setup. I guess that last level of acceleration control must make all the difference?
NebulousBlur Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 18:08:00 - [120] Originally by: The Wizz117 it realy _is_ an isk/skillpoint race we in S-L know each other real life and organized a LAN for the tournament, but we did not have any chanse of winning any match becouse we only have low-grade crystal implants or no crystal implants, characters that are not having enough skillpoints and not got isk for t2 ships/ full t2 fitting. well we participated in the tournament tough and did show up in each round and did not forfeited like many other alliances did wich also screws up the tournament. tough it was a mistake to join we invested to much isk/time in it and the CNR will probitly barely make up for it, we will not join next year (like most alliances did this year) if it is organized the same as it is now It isn't as large of a skillpoint race as you may think. I only have a total 16 million skill points, having joined the game a lot later than my friends. About 6 million of those skillpoints are industrial/mining/science related for my inner carebear. Most of the pilots in our squad were 24-35 million skillpoints. My skills are very specialized to a few ship types, so I can fly a sabre to near full potential. Our side didn't spend too much money either. We bought a few low grade halos for the frig & destroyer pilots and some low grade talismans for the huggin and claymore pilots. We didn't even buy the full sets, as only 2 pilots in the entire group had cybernetics 5 :( I would hazard a rough guess and say that we spent less than 2.4 billion total on the alliance tournament. We had no problems raising that kind of money. Although we weren't the most exciting team to watch, we got very far without expensive pirate implants and without throwing tons of money into the tournament. We all had tons of fun, which is the goal here. I'm sure lots of people got their jollies from making fun of us as well. And I know the homeless man and the livestock in the cargo hold of my destroyer enjoyed the tournament. They survived the ship's destruction and are now the property of Morsus Mihi. :( And if you think it's bad because of the pirate implants... Just imagine the next tournament when we have combat boosters. And congratulations BoB. I was rooting for the other side, simply because I wanted a different alliance to have a mothership, but victory is yours.

splattercat F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.07.24 18:24:00 - [121] Damm ppl.... ( sorry allrdy posted here once pls read it).. BOB won, both sides had probleams, I chlanage any allance to enter and not have any no matter how big. IT WAS FUN,NOT THE END OF EVE GET OVER IT, say nice one and walk away. (next time get 5 ppl and do better)
Orree Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 18:58:00 - [122] BoB are nails. I knew they would win going in and they did. I thought for sure IAC had them in the semi after Kookman dropped. Silly me for doubting...lol. I dunno what to say about that 'ceptor fight. I was excited about the idea, but the execution was lacking, at least for one of the teams.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 19:03:00 - [123] Originally by: Danii 8k/s? I get 4.5k/s with the same setup. I guess that last level of acceleration control must make all the difference? Heh, cybernetics 5 and a snake set would be required aswell.
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers	Posted - 2006.07.24 19:15:00 - [124] Edited by: Drahcir Nasom on 24/07/2006 19:15:17 I don't PvP myself, but I watched the last 16, the quarters, the semis and the final in awe at the skill of not just BoB and ASCN but a lot of the other teams in this tournament. Congratulations to BoB and commiserations to ASCN who put up an excellent fight. I doubt it will get me into PvP, but I was absolutely amazed at the things some of the participants managed to get ships to do, things I didn't even know were possible. Thank you to all of the teams in the last 16 for an excellent afternoon/evening entertainment. Drahcir
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 19:47:00 - [125] Drahcir \o/ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
nails Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 19:53:00 - [126] Edited by: nails on 24/07/2006 19:53:35 Originally by: Orree BoB are nails. they wish they were me -------------- http://nails.otaku.jp/ota-corps/--Adv Anime Rank
Yggdrassil Amarrian Missionaires	Posted - 2006.07.24 20:40:00 - [127] Just wanted to thank all the participants of the tournament for their effort creating the great entertainment we got. Also - thanks to the EVE TV crew for broadcasting it. Finally - gratz to BoB for winning it all - again. Oh - and for next year, one change would be great imo... No more draw fights. If draw - every team will have to field 5 REGULAR cruisers of their own choise. Possibly with stock fittings (no named, no T2 stuff) to keep it "cheap" so noone can complain about it being too expensive. Don't think it's possible - or at least very hard - to manage to get a draw with such setups. At least "force" the combattants to field 5 ships of some kind to decide the winner. Yggdrassil
Taketa De Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 15:39:00 - [128] Gratz to BoB on the win --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel.
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:23:00 - [129] Edited by: Drahcir Nasom on 25/07/2006 19:23:23 Originally by: Yggdrassil Oh - and for next year, one change would be great imo... No more draw fights. If draw - every team will have to field 5 REGULAR cruisers of their own choise. Possibly with stock fittings (no named, no T2 stuff) to keep it "cheap" so noone can complain about it being too expensive. Don't think it's possible - or at least very hard - to manage to get a draw with such setups. At least "force" the combattants to field 5 ships of some kind to decide the winner. I had an idea for settling drawn combats like the final. Each team already has 5 ships on the battlefield, so how about best of 5 fights, BS v BS, BC v BC, Cruiser v Cruiser, Destroyer v Destroyer and Frigate v Frigate. Teams have to use the same ships as the main fight, but they get time to re-equip them for the 1 v 1s, Drahcir p.s. Avon \o/
Vanye Inovske Two Brothers Mining Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:19:00 - [130] Originally by: Drahcir Nasom I had an idea for settling drawn combats like the final. Each team already has 5 ships on the battlefield, so how about best of 5 fights, BS v BS, BC v BC, Cruiser v Cruiser, Destroyer v Destroyer and Frigate v Frigate. Teams have to use the same ships as the main fight, but they get time to re-equip them for the 1 v 1s, Drahcir p.s. Avon \o/ That would really penalize the use of logistics cruisers and such. BoB's Scimitar vs. any hac or recon in the tourney would lose, guaranteed, and yet was an important part of their team.



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