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Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty
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Posted - 2014.08.22 18:27:00 -
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Amhra Rho wrote:But I do internet security for a living, and I've been told I'm one of the best there is.
bullshiat.
I'm sure your mommy telling you this makes you feel better.
Go back to your basement. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
673
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Posted - 2014.08.22 20:32:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Tippia wrote:So claiming that they never go down is pretty disingenuous. Word games? Really? Is it any other way with tipia? You see, Tippia is, for the best or the worst, a honest, truthful and to-the-point guy/girl. And very blunt about it too. If Tippia is wrong, then someone gave him the wrong info/didn't got the whole info, which, in the case of Tippia being, sometimes quite obssessive on finding and pointing out facts, a very rare occasion. TL;DR: Tips here is blunt and curt sometimes, but he/she never lies. I think we shall have to give tippia an emergency plexiotomy. What is that? Glad you asked. That is where they go in and remove a section of tippiaGÇÖs stomach and replace it with Plexiglas, that way should you continue to have your head up tippiaGÇÖs arse you can both see where you going. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
947
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Posted - 2014.08.22 20:57:00 -
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Amhra Rho wrote:Tippia wrote:So claiming that they never go down is pretty disingenuous. Word games? Really? In both cases, their ISPs were successfully attacked. Amazon nor Microsoft are in charge of hardening their respective ISPs. After the security event in Japan, btw, Microsoft changed their ISP. Tippia cares about semantics. If you don't, don't argue with her. Ever. Its an exercise in futility and one of the most misererable experiences you can have online.
On the other hand if you don't have a problem conceding points about misused words, go for it.
As for DDOS attacks, it sounds like we're fairly in agreement here. They're impossible to prevent completely, but the defenses against them do work and are expensive. In addition, implementing those measures takes time and money. There do seem to have been an increase in effective DDOS attacks on eve servers this year, but I don't actually have numbers behind that. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
7381
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Posted - 2014.08.22 21:02:00 -
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If they barred the gates Players themselves would be stuck Unable to play ~ we're flying high, we're watching the world pass us by ~
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4432
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Posted - 2014.08.22 21:03:00 -
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Amhra Rho wrote:Sounds about right. If I were Jeff Bezos of Amazon, I'd certainly sue my ISP to recoup those losses. Then your ISP drops you as at the first opportunity. no ither ISP will pick you up and you're out of a business. Congratulations! Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
141
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Posted - 2014.08.22 21:05:00 -
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Defending against DDoS is difficult. I got the impression that there were players logged on on yesterday although the log on was unreachable. That would mean that partially the changes they did some years ago help to improve the situation. I always thought it should be possible to do more. There must be a quicker way to discard and temporarily block connections not originating from an EVE client. Or even better, from an EVE client who did not had a successful log on during the last seven days. When times are tough, work with priorities.
Still, we can do our own part of the security game. How many of you are behind a properly configured firewall? You checked that your router (even if it was supplied by your ISP) is secure? And do not get me started about WinXP downloaded from a warez site.
On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
333
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Posted - 2014.08.22 21:24:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Sounds about right. If I were Jeff Bezos of Amazon, I'd certainly sue my ISP to recoup those losses. Then your ISP drops you as at the first opportunity. no ither ISP will pick you up and you're out of a business. Congratulations! You been smokin' it. Suuuuuuure some ISP - any ISP - is going to pass up the opportunity to handle the Amazon account. Dream on, yo.
Not enough for me, so I checked it out on LexisNexis. More than predictably, Amazon has sued its various ISPs dozens of times. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
333
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Posted - 2014.08.22 21:26:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Tippia wrote:So claiming that they never go down is pretty disingenuous. Word games? Really? In both cases, their ISPs were successfully attacked. Amazon nor Microsoft are in charge of hardening their respective ISPs. After the security event in Japan, btw, Microsoft changed their ISP. Tippia cares about semantics. If you don't, don't argue with her. Ever. Its an exercise in futility and one of the most misererable experiences you can have online. On the other hand if you don't have a problem conceding points about misused words, go for it. As for DDOS attacks, it sounds like we're fairly in agreement here. They're impossible to prevent completely, but the defenses against them do work and are expensive. In addition, implementing those measures takes time and money. There do seem to have been an increase in effective DDOS attacks on eve servers this year, but I don't actually have numbers behind that. Pretty much in agreement on all counts. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
411
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Posted - 2014.08.24 00:53:00 -
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A personal attack post has been removed.
Forum post 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2014.08.24 02:13:00 -
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New round of DDoS incoming.. WoW, LoL, Twitch, and Hearthstone all hit in last 30 min. |
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
3227
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Posted - 2014.08.24 02:51:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Tippia wrote:So claiming that they never go down is pretty disingenuous. Word games? Really? In both cases, their ISPs were successfully attacked. Amazon nor Microsoft are in charge of hardening their respective ISPs. After the security event in Japan, btw, Microsoft changed their ISP. Tippia cares about semantics. If you don't, don't argue with her. Ever. Its an exercise in futility and one of the most misererable experiences you can have online. On the other hand if you don't have a problem conceding points about misused words, go for it. As for DDOS attacks, it sounds like we're fairly in agreement here. They're impossible to prevent completely, but the defenses against them do work and are expensive. In addition, implementing those measures takes time and money. There do seem to have been an increase in effective DDOS attacks on eve servers this year, but I don't actually have numbers behind that. When you're wrong or losing an argument it's much easier to attack the delivery of a comment rather than it's content.
I think CCP's best defense against the recent DDOSing is probably the boredom of the idiots who are doing it. They'll get tired of picking on the same target and move on. |
Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
745
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Posted - 2014.08.24 04:55:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:New round of DDoS incoming.. WoW, LoL, Twitch, and Hearthstone all hit in last 30 min.
Someone out there hates ALL of the nerds....
EVER.... Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help. |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
624
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Posted - 2014.08.24 05:06:00 -
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Amhra Rho wrote: . . . . For those of you that understand that neither Amazon.com nor Microsoft.com have gone done, are highly likely to never go down, and recognize that we're all still waiting for evidence to the contrary from the opposition, join me for a beer.
I think you are the kind of person who didn't feel a slight twinge when the Oxford English Dictionary added a new definition under the word 'literally' to allow the use of the word to mean 'figuratively'.
If that's not clear, then let me put it this way: the way that you use and abuse words and sweep the actual meanings under the rug when it's convenient for you implies to me that you are not a clear, careful thinker. It undermines your credibility. It causes me to question the rigor you apply to things like finding evidence to support your argument, interpreting that evidence, and yes, it causes me to wonder if you really know what you are doing when you actually create that argument.
The semantics and word games are important here because--whether you realize it or not--your point rests on the idea that the word 'never' actually means 'almost never'. Those two things are not the same idea.
The fact of the matter is that if you say that Amazon and Microsoft almost never go down due to DDoS, then you have a precisely equivalent situation with EvE. EvE almost never goes down due to DDoS. That's a matter of numbers and statistics that don't really have much to do with opinion. By any reasonable definition, EvE almost never falls over from DDoS. I don't know the exact numbers for 'unexpected downtime due to bandwidth overflow' for EvE, and I don't know what those numbers are for Amazon or any other major web service provider. But I would bet that they are similar. It almost never happens.
So what we have here is a situation where your sloppy definition of the word 'never' is the sole basis for claiming that a problem exists at all. In my opinion, this is a crap-tastic way of defining a problem. You don't want Tippia to care about words because using a specific word the way it was intended completely eviscerates your point. In a situation like this, I'm always going to agree with Tippia. Though there are things about which we don't always agree. Frankly, I think there are probably things I'm saying in this post that Tippia will disagree with. Because that's how it goes.
The bottom line so far is that the meaning of words is far more important that you suggest.
The rest of the problem with what you are saying in this thread and many others is that few--and I mean 'almost no one' (see what I did there, where I qualified an absolute statement to allow for the fact that some truly incompetent people exist? Yeah, that's credibility gold, baby.)--people who have even a tangential interaction with network security for web apps and services think of DDoS in the way that you do.
A web service is a nail, and anyone with sufficient motivation can find or create or rent or buy a hammer big enough to smack it for a while. That is a f****** fact. Anyone who says otherwise is completely and totally full of marketing crap from companies who sell snake oil and anti-malware stuff.
I don't think you are a network security person. You've hinted in other threads that you do this professionally, but I don't think that's the truth.
I'm a backend software developer for a company that does payments processing. When you buy stuff online, there's a reasonable chance that my code helps get money out of your bank account and into the seller's bank account. When you get a paycheck direct deposited into your bank, that's actually more than likely to be us.
We have network security people, and I work closely with them. When our systems go down (which is ALMOST NEVER), we have to figure that stuff out. EvE is a game. People's paychecks are serious business.
Those are my creds. I'm calling BS on every aspect of what it is that you are claiming about DDoS. I work with and around DDoS every day of my professional life. I think you are full of self-serving, mis, dis, or un -informed junk. I think that you are straight up making things up about this situation, and I think you should just shut the **** up.
****************************** edited because I omitted a demonstrative pronoun. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon |
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