..some which have lead to it being down for huge amounts of time.

Huge amounts? Thats probably the most hyperbole definition of a couple of hours compared
to the 30 days online status i've ever read this far. Seriously, this is just bonkers. The Servers
get DDoS'd and go down for a couple of hours and some people almost die because of withdrawal
symptoms.

GǪwhereas DDoDing is getting cheaper every day.

Oh, and as to your linked post, Amazon and Microsoft do indeed get their fair share of DDoS outages.

I found one recent attack against Amazon's ISP lasting about an hour, and one recent attack against the ISP which was hosting Microsoft's Japanese domains accidentally caused by Anonymous protesting Japanese whaling.

So claiming that they never go down is pretty disingenuous.

Word games? Really?

Word games? Really?

In both cases, their ISPs were successfully attacked. Amazon nor Microsoft are in charge of hardening their respective ISPs. After the security event in Japan, btw, Microsoft changed their ISP.

Is it any other way with tipia?

Huge amounts? Thats probably the most hyperbole definition of a couple of hours compared
to the 30 days online status i've ever read this far. Seriously, this is just bonkers. The Servers
get DDoS'd and go down for a couple of hours and some people almost die because of withdrawal
symptoms.

Yes, a few hours can be a huge amount of time to some people.

For instance, if EvE suffered no time down because of DDoS attacks in 2013, then the amount of a few hours down time so far in 2014 could be considered huge to some people . On the other hand, if EvE suffered 5 days of outages in 2013 to DDoS attacks, then the few hours suffered so far in 2014 would be considered minor by most people.

And another example, losing electricity once a week, a few hours at a time, would be considered by most people to be a major problem, but in some parts of the world this is normal. In most areas of the western world, losing electricity for only a few hours a year can make people really upset. So, it depends on what you are use to and what you expect.

No. Accuracy. If you're going to say GÇ£neverGÇ¥, you have a very long period of time to be proven wrong.
Amazon in particular was made famous for going down from the numerous 2009 DDoSes, which is why they had to reinvent how they handled it. And hour is not something that can be brushed off as GÇ£onlyGÇ¥ in their world.

The fact remains: GÇ£neverGÇ¥ does not apply to Microsoft or Amazon since their services have been DDoSed before and since, on some occasions for very long periods.

GǪand all that has happened is that the attacks now need to be much bigger. Just because it is :effort: does not mean they are now impervious to DDoS (see the 2010 attempt against Amazon related to Wikileaks).

Oh, and let's not forget the swings and round-abouts on this: Amazon instances are now being used for DDoS attacks.

e: Ooh, one more link!

In order to make your point, you have to play like I didn'I refer to the major Amazon.com and Microsoft.com web portals, find obscure references about Amazon's unimportant cloud platform (not their web portal, which is what my post was all about), and even those references indict Amazon's ISP for cloud services once again instead of Amazon itself.

Is it any other way with tipia?

No, in order to make my point, I simply have to say that GÇ£neverGÇ¥ is a long time and you shouldn't buy into the company hype. Both microsoft.com and amazon.com have gone down before and since, so GÇ£neverGÇ¥ is already not true.

I also only have to point out the simple fact that the failed attacks were simply due to not having large enough a net to attack from GÇö now consider what happens if amazon themselves provide the network.

Oh, and amazon's web services are not unimportant GÇö anything that can bring them down can bring any other amazon service down, and if anything, if their web service goes down, it hurts them far more than if consumers can't reach the store for a few minutes.

Ok, for all of us here who think that technicalities and word parsing are perfectly valid, as long as it's used in an attempt to make sure you're "right", we have a winner. All congratulations to Tippia! {golf clap}.

For those of you that understand that neither Amazon.com nor Microsoft.com have gone done

Thank you.

GǪwellGǪ aside from that outage in 2013 (as part of the larger amazon web service outage). The main site was perhaps not so bad, but the outage as a whole cost them something like $5 million for 45 minutes (but I'll have to check my notes on the specifics andGǪ pff, effort).

Sounds about right. If I were Jeff Bezos of Amazon, I'd certainly sue my ISP to recoup those losses.

No, in order to make my point, I simply have to say that GÇ£neverGÇ¥ is a long time and you shouldn't buy into the company hype. Both microsoft.com and amazon.com have gone down before and since, so GÇ£neverGÇ¥ is already not true.

I also only have to point out the simple fact that the failed attacks were simply due to not having large enough a net to attack from GÇö now consider what happens if amazon themselves provide the network.

Oh, and amazon's web services are not unimportant GÇö anything that can bring them down can bring any other amazon service down, and if anything, if their web service goes down, it hurts them far more than if consumers can't reach the store for a few minutes.

So is this debate about who's more right about something that happened to other companies, relevant to my question?

For those of you that understand that neither Amazon.com nor Microsoft.com have gone done, are highly likely to never go down, and recognize that we're all still waiting for evidence to the contrary from the opposition, join me for a beer.

I know you are an expert on everything but you dive off issue a lot, and not all of the EVE downtimes have been DDoS attacks! A few<-- Few meaning more than a couple; socket closures and downtimes have been due to the servers, routers, and changes that keep trying to fix everything except what is actually broken in the game of EVE. Downtimes have seemed to happen to a lot of folks that have a rl work schedule and when you have a limited time budget to work with, the downtimes have seemed rather excessive lately. Maybe if the DDoS attacks keep happening they can blame them for the spotty service?

http://www.scmagazine.com/anonymous-ddos-attack-snowballs-affects-several-microsoft-services/article/322945/
Yep, never gone down :p

(quote from article: On Monday, members of the loose-knit hacker group posted on Pastebin about how a distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack targeting Japanese Microsoft websites and servers had gone awry GÇô resulting in several of the technology giant's services going down.)

Enjoy the beer ;)

But I do internet security for a living, and I've been told I'm one of the best there is.

You see, Tippia is, for the best or the worst, a honest, truthful and to-the-point guy/girl.

And very blunt about it too. If Tippia is wrong, then someone gave him the wrong info/didn't got the whole info, which, in the case of Tippia being, sometimes quite obssessive on finding and pointing out facts, a very rare occasion.


TL;DR: Tips here is blunt and curt sometimes, but he/she never lies.

Word games? Really?

In both cases, their ISPs were successfully attacked. Amazon nor Microsoft are in charge of hardening their respective ISPs. After the security event in Japan, btw, Microsoft changed their ISP.

Sounds about right. If I were Jeff Bezos of Amazon, I'd certainly sue my ISP to recoup those losses.

Then your ISP drops you as at the first opportunity. no ither ISP will pick you up and you're out of a business. Congratulations!

Tippia cares about semantics. If you don't, don't argue with her. Ever. Its an exercise in futility and one of the most misererable experiences you can have online.

On the other hand if you don't have a problem conceding points about misused words, go for it.

As for DDOS attacks, it sounds like we're fairly in agreement here. They're impossible to prevent completely, but the defenses against them do work and are expensive. In addition, implementing those measures takes time and money. There do seem to have been an increase in effective DDOS attacks on eve servers this year, but I don't actually have numbers behind that.

Tippia cares about semantics. If you don't, don't argue with her. Ever. Its an exercise in futility and one of the most misererable experiences you can have online.

On the other hand if you don't have a problem conceding points about misused words, go for it.

As for DDOS attacks, it sounds like we're fairly in agreement here. They're impossible to prevent completely, but the defenses against them do work and are expensive. In addition, implementing those measures takes time and money. There do seem to have been an increase in effective DDOS attacks on eve servers this year, but I don't actually have numbers behind that.

New round of DDoS incoming.. WoW, LoL, Twitch, and Hearthstone all hit in last 30 min.

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For those of you that understand that neither Amazon.com nor Microsoft.com have gone done, are highly likely to never go down, and recognize that we're all still waiting for evidence to the contrary from the opposition, join me for a beer.