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I think you underestimate the hurricane. Yes the brutix does more damage but is limited to 3-6km. A hurricane projects out to 10km+ depending on faction ammo or hail.


I do like the heat damage bonus as the weapons are on larger ships therefore could have better heat dissipation.

They arent used a lot because it seems the meta atm is around kiting fast ships. But ive seen plenty of use in whspace with CBCs and they are very powerful in a brawl as a cheap low skill alternative to hacs.

I agree with the OP here that CBCs are in kind of a hard spot.

I saw a few people mention that the low popularity of CBCs is due to fleet composition considerations but I don't know if I really buy that as the reason for their waning popularity right now. I've been in a number of mixed fleet compositions recently with the DPS wings being made up of either eagles and feroxs or cerbs and drakes. In my experience the problem with CBCs in relation to HACs is that their sig radius and speed tend to make them relatively easy to take off the field compared to their HAC counterparts. As a result they get primaried early. Feroxes and drakes do have an EHP advantage over cruisers but it's outpaced by their signature inflation and slow speed- applied DPS against them is just too high for their EHP to compensate.

It's not really that different from what battleships face in fleet battles. Every time I've gone up against a battleship fleet lately with HACs or T3s, the battleship's DPS and EHP advantage just can't compete with sig and speed tank. It's similar on the small scale in PVP too, CBCs are very vulnerable to being blobbed and are too slow to get into position in fast paced fights.

I like what the recent balance changes have done for cruiser sized and smaller ships. They're fun and combat with them is fast paced and exciting. They're also cheap and easy for new players to skill in to. Most frigates, destroyers, and cruisers seem to have a role that they fill well and are, for the most part, well represented in the areas they excel. That's perfect- it's how it should be, but CBCs and battleships should be represented too. They're still used in small numbers, but all but a few aren't the optimal choice and as players train new skills to move towards optimal ships they're just going to get less and less popular.

If I remember rightly (and acknowledging this isn't a sea combat sim) BC's were designed to outrun what they couldn't outgun and outgun that which they couldn't ourun. They were designed for fast slashing attacks rather than go toe-to-toe with bigger guns and as such had BS size hulls but without BS guns (either smaller guns or less larger guns) but crucially they packed enough propulsive power to keep up with cruisers and even outrun heavy cruisers (HAC's in Eve I guess). Maybe heavily bonusing AB effect to reflect the huge amount of space assigned over to engines would help CBC utility (without giving them a sig the size of a small moon ;) )

Maybe heavily bonusing AB effect to reflect the huge amount of space assigned over to engines would help CBC utility (without giving them a sig the size of a small moon ;) )

OH bonus would apply to prop modules as well. As an example my cyclone goes around 500m/s with AB and 2k m/s with OH mwd.With OH bonus, you would be pretty close to doubling it. Temporarily anyway. That would give you options to outrun what you cant outgun.

I agree that having an OH bonus would be a fresh way of improving CBCs without having to straight up buff their base stats. Overheating is a fun mechanic but it isn't something that CCP has developed as thoroughly as I would like. A change of this kind to CBCs might be an interesting way of introducing a few new overheat mechanics and modules as well. We'll see.

I'm still skeptical that CBCs and battleships will be changed soon though. CCP does seem to be aware at least that battleships, while they might be well balanced against each other, aren't particularly well balanced towards other subcaps or capitals. They don't, however, seem to really have a cohesive plan as to what to do about it. The recent nestor changes are a good indication that they don't really have a good plan for what even a niche battleship ought to be. I think they've dug in their heels around the idea of power-creep and probably want to try to balance less linearly, but at least in the case of the nestor, it just doesn't work.

I apologize for the long delay, but I've finished this series with The Current State of Battlecruisers: Part Three.

I had a lot of fun with this topic overall. It was really interesting to see the stats in part two especially, and while I am not a fan of math, it was somewhat invigorating to see the results (albeit results achieved with a lot of help!)

Thanks for doing all the maths. though, i agree that a triple rep myrm with OH bonus would be borderline OP. So what about for tank bonus, while OH, cap consumption is reduced for boosters/reppers. Just a thought anyway.