I thought Fridays were for ISBoxer whine threads?

I'm old. i lose track of these things.

Is discriminating against ISboxer racism? Will I get sued for crimes against humanity if I smartbomb their 2 billion ISK roach fleets? Questions, questions, CCP. Please answer.

Am I allowed to have a somewhat racist attitude towards those players who play as Minmatar based solely on their toon, or is it still a form of unallowed racism?

...Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player.

In real life I would never talk bad about people of different colours.

But in EVE, I like the whole idea about Amarr being the chosen or enlightent race. While the Minmatar are filthy beings not being able to keep their ships together if terrans hadn't brought duct tape with them through the New Eden wormhole.

But thank you my fellow Amarrians, you've made my night.

As long as you have a permit for that ship you can do whatever you want. The Law.

What Abrazzar said. I have not read much of the lore, but if there is a derogotry name used for Minmatar listed within that would be kosher. If you start calling me nig***, it won't fly as that term is not in the lore.

You cannot clean a Minmatar's soul, they are damaged beyond repair and are filthy by instinct.

It was actually a pretty good and necessary move by CCP to make all the skin colours available to all game races, even though it came a little late.
Before that, Brutor were as far as I remember the only really dark-skinned race, and it somehow felt terrible to be an ******* Amarrian racist against them.
Now, since we also have black Amarr (and they are amongst the prettiest avatars in the game IMHO), we can be 100% racist against those Minnies again without remorse.

edit:

Slow down posting - I'm struggling to keep up carving names into these autocannon shells.

Faction War participants have been throwing out terms like "frog" and "squid" for years without incident.

I would caution you to not go overboard, of course.

Nothing beats the smell of fresh calamari in the morning.

Fixed.

Fixed.

At least the Caldari don't give voting rights to 3 headed defective clones with 5 arms. Or maybe you just look that way in your pic.

You cannot clean a Minmatar's soul, they are damaged beyond repair and are filthy by instinct.

Most definitely. I have RP'ed a Khanid/Burtor half breed that was the illigitmate son of a Khanid Royal's slave concubine, and loved the fact I could actually make a khanid character with dark skin.

What the hell is with this influx of "literate" sebestors!?
Iv said it a thousand times,
learn how to suppress a culture properly or stay out of the godame slave trade!

You cannot clean a Minmatar's soul, they are damaged beyond repair and are filthy by instinct.

Tippia I am dissapoint.

You used a clip from the utterly dreadful Judge Dredd, so I fixed it again with a clip from the much better Dredd.

But Sly is so much more cheesy and memorable.

I guess if you restrict yourself to prejudice described in the lore and only apply it to the appropriate in game races, it would be hard to construct a real life case of racism out of it. Just avoid using terms deemed racist in real life.

You are never allowed to display racism towards players, regardless of their character's affiliaiton or lack thereof. Now, displaying racism against the characters is a completely diffrent thing.

Does the EULA make a distinction between RL racism and in game racism?

As long as you have a permit for that ship you can do whatever you want. The Law.

It's hard to believe that after such a dismal showing at the AT CODE people would still show up and arrogantly throw their imaginary weight around. But, here you go....where I come from we call this "certifiable."

As a Minmatar, I roleplay as a Ammatar Mandate Amarr supporter.

Pretty sure there's a real world term applicable to that...

How the **** can you "roleplay" racism?

Tippia I am dissapoint.

You used a clip from the utterly dreadful Judge Dredd, so I fixed it again with a clip from the much better Dredd.

Just curious to see if you are thinking what popped into my head.

Is it a guy named Thomas, who happens to be the father of a cousin?

You're remarkably astute.

If you need to ask this, then you probably don't need to be a part of the discussion.
RPing racist against Minmatar would be no different than RPing racist against elves or some **** in any other MMO.

Has AT become super important and I just haven't noticed?

Considering the fact that CCP had to lower the entry fee just to get enough teams to compete (and they still didn't get enough until auctions) the AT is probably considered less important than ever before.

... how do you RP a table?

Tough call. It might not be a case of less important, but one of "why bother?" Something about ~elitepvp~ players being consolidated into fewer and fewer alliances.

What the hell is with this influx of "literate" sebestors!?
Iv said it a thousand times,
learn how to suppress a culture properly or stay out of the godame slave trade!

And if the have to be able to read, don't do it half assed, it's Ralph love,no f

Well

This is strictly in game thinking but why isn't there a slavery mechanic? It would fit well with lore.

I can't think of a way to make it work with actual opponents (though it would be great if someone could) but I should at least be able to enslave my alts. This would give them some minor efficiency bonus (trade, production or whatever) in exchange for a penalty of some description. Maybe a public list of my slaves, a standings penalty with Minmatar, restricted character movement etc.

That's probably why: it would be far too easy to abuse.

There's always been some mumbling about being able to kidnap and ransom people's pods, but that's probably as close as it will ever get.

I guess if you restrict yourself to prejudice described in the lore and only apply it to the appropriate in game races, it would be hard to construct a real life case of racism out of it. Just avoid using terms deemed racist in real life.

Pretty much.

Pretty much.

How about the gallente and french? I mean if a real life french player is in galmil I'll call him a frog since he's galmil. I'll prolly add in some surrender banter too.

Gallente blaster rifle for sale. Never fired, dropped once?

What do you mean... ' you people ' ??

Pretty much.

Fictional in game-racism = ok. Real racism directed at other players = not OK.

Pretty simple, however let me say as a IRL person of 'color' it was....not the best thinking on CCPs part to go with the whole 'space slavery' theme then put the ...most ethnic looking New Eden race in the enslaved faction.......

Why does the CCP legal team work with CCP staff instead of CSM? Can't we drop restrictions for this particular environment?

. . . now on another note, I guess it is allowed to make fun of RL challenged people. I have a daughter who has Downs. When I complained to CCP about some bios, they said they'd "look into it". No other responses, the bios haven't been changed.

So, I guess it's hard to see where CCP's morals/ethics are really at. If they allow that, then anything else is OK.

-Kirst

Fictional in game-racism = ok. Real racism directed at other players = not OK.

Pretty simple, however let me say as a IRL person of 'color' it was....not the best thinking on CCPs part to go with the whole 'space slavery' theme then put the ...most ethnic looking New Eden race in the enslaved faction.......

You're all forgetting:

Amarr get these badass jedi robes.

#amarrprivilege

Similarly, if I play an Amarr supremacist of some kind, that doesn't make me racist in real life, because I'm essentially role-playing an imaginary bad guy..

What do you mean... ' you people ' ??

. . . now on another note, I guess it is allowed to make fun of RL challenged people. I have a daughter who has Downs. When I complained to CCP about some bios, they said they'd "look into it". No other responses, the bios haven't been changed.

So, I guess it's hard to see where CCP's morals/ethics are really at. If they allow that, then anything else is OK.

-Kirst

Alright thank you.

Yeah I know Caldari and Gallente are whitey McWhitebreads for the most part but then racism is not logical to begin with.

Considering that the Amarr Empire is twice the population of all four of the other main races, combined, white folks are actually a minority.

Considering that the Amarr Empire is twice the population of all four of the other main races, combined, white folks are actually a minority.

And, to be fair, Squids are half-Japanese/half-German, so they're not even really white.
And, aren't Gallente a mix of French, English, and all the Mediterranean ethnicities? I guess that's white-ish. But, not really, because Italians, Greeks, Turks, and whatever people from Monaco are called.... not white.
Minmatar are black Vikings. I don't even understand how it's physically possible to hate them... but, since when do Amarrians make any bleedin sense?

As long as I can still call Caldari "fish-eating squirrel bastards", we're in good shape.

Yeah CCP really throws us for loops with the lore behind these races. Every attempt to compare them to a RL race or nation fails too. I have given up on understanding them years ago.

Easy there Al Sharpton, there's no money to be made race baiting here.

Yeah CCP really throws us for loops with the lore behind these races. Every attempt to compare them to a RL race or nation fails too. I have given up on understanding them years ago.

. . . now on another note, I guess it is allowed to make fun of RL challenged people. I have a daughter who has Downs. When I complained to CCP about some bios, they said they'd "look into it". No other responses, the bios haven't been changed.

So, I guess it's hard to see where CCP's morals/ethics are really at. If they allow that, then anything else is OK.

-Kirst

That's unfortunately something that happens often in gaming communities, probably due to the anonymity and people thinking that a game environment makes it ok to disparage people. It's still a serious concern though, and if I were you I would ask for the ticket to get escalated. The GMs do their best to get to all the tickets sorted but I think they get swamped sometimes.

Yeah, sometimes the line between fantasy and reality becomes blurred for some people.

Amarr - Bible thumpers
Caldari - Corporate goblins
Gallente - Democratic sloths
Minmatar - Bible thumper haters

Robert Sawyer, a racist guide to the races of New Eden

Edit: When one cannot tell the difference between the real world and a game, players can get hurt too, not only the characters.

GÖ½GÖ¬GÖ½ THE HAPPY SONG ~ If You're Happy And You Know It - Pod Amarr If you cannot find Caldari, Pod Amarr The Minnie are too frisky, Gallente is looking shifty - Pod Amarr GÖ½GÖ¬GÖ½

How about the gallente and french? I mean if a real life french player is in galmil I'll call him a frog since he's galmil. I'll prolly add in some surrender banter too.

Which is funny because in the last thousand years or so they've won more often than lost. Historical examples of spectacular failures and hubris notwithstanding, the whole spectrum of anti-French stuff you can come up with was made up very recently by people who have barely any history at all and feel bad about that.
But yeah, that would introduce RL sectarian garbage into a place clearer than most.

Yeah CCP really throws us for loops with the lore behind these races. Every attempt to compare them to a RL race or nation fails too. I have given up on understanding them years ago.