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Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:39:00 - [1] Dps comparison I used 2 damage mods on all ships. Hopefully i didnt pick guns that isnt normally used or something. If i did, let me know. Looking at this, I think Raven is pretty balanced actually. But megathron is like... wow. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Azerrad	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:47:00 - [2] Ions would be a better comparison there since it is impossible to put together a decent tank using neutrons. Furthermore, the speed penalty on Hail gimps it to the point where its not really useful with autocannons, so I doubt either the tempest or typhoon would realistically be using Hail ammo. Same goes for Javelin on the typhoon. Armageddon?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:51:00 - [3] Originally by: Azerrad Armageddon? Want tachyons or megabeams on it? And yeah, i know the speed penalty makes the ammo hardly used, but using barrage, the stats just got too depressing to show tbh. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Eximius Josari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:53:00 - [4] How about Standard Ammo vs Tech2 ammo?
Ryoka	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:59:00 - [5] mega pulse and tachyon, jm
hUssmann Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:01:00 - [6] Seeing as you are using the highest damage of each type, Neutrons, Siege..Why are you using Dual 425 on the phoon? Wouldn't 800's make it a fair test? ___________________________ Eris, no pink 'Eris woz 'ere 2006' kthx :)
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:03:00 - [7] Why did you compare high damage ammo to range ammo? (void + hail vs javelin)
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:03:00 - [8] try using common setups. You won't see any Mega using t2 Neutrons. What was the program you used? Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:06:00 - [9] Originally by: hUssmann Seeing as you are using the highest damage of each type, Neutrons, Siege..Why are you using Dual 425 on the phoon? Wouldn't 800's make it a fair test? I dont think the phoon has the grid to fit it together with siege launchers, but im not 100% certain. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:08:00 - [10] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 24/07/2006 17:11:15 Originally by: Jim McGregor I dont think the phoon has the grid to fit it together with siege launchers, but im not 100% certain. Depends on the tank, as with every other ship. Full rack of weapons = very light active tank, you'll be better using plates. Originally by: Severa Crest Why did you compare high damage ammo to range ammo? (void + hail vs javelin) Rage torps won't do more damage than javelin if the sig radius isn't high enough. Javelin will do more damage than normal torps, always. (Edit: not so sure about that since I can't double check right now, but I think that only precision cruise and heavy have lower base damage than their t1 counterpart since the last patch). NB.
Aramendel	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:08:00 - [11] Edited by: Aramendel on 24/07/2006 17:07:59 Originally by: Severa Crest Why did you compare high damage ammo to range ammo? (void + hail vs javelin) Because thats what a mega would be using if it's facing a tempest or typhoon which is trying to keep a 15-20 km range?
Moornblade Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:16:00 - [12] I don't remember. What kind of missile launcher can you cram onto a Mega when you have it setup like that? Also, put in a Mega: T2 rails of some sort graph. You're far more likely to use a light-tank (or tankless) Mega with a sniper setup.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:17:00 - [13] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/07/2006 17:17:54 I added a second graph you can look at. But check out the excel spreadsheet yourself (link in first post) and play around with it. Its fun. And /me is hugging Naughty Boy for creating this thing. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:18:00 - [14] You know, charts like this suck, every nub in eve will go "ZOMG nerf blasterthron!!11" when we all know that blasterthron with t2 neuts setup has no tank to speak of (maybe some plate buffer), and raven can field injector tank with that dps. So when you factor in resistances and tank, raven actually beats blasterthron, but that doesn't matter cos "the dps chart said otherwise!!11one" Not to mention if its better to have slave implans (more hp) or crystal implants (bonus to boost).
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 24/07/2006 17:07:59 Originally by: Severa Crest Why did you compare high damage ammo to range ammo? (void + hail vs javelin) Because thats what a mega would be using if it's facing a tempest or typhoon which is trying to keep a 15-20 km range? 15-20? Null, not void.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Luc Boye You know, charts like this suck, every nub in eve will go "ZOMG nerf blasterthron!!11" when we all know that blasterthron with t2 neuts setup has no tank to speak of (maybe some plate buffer), and raven can field injector tank with that dps. So when you factor in resistances and tank, raven actually beats blasterthron, but that doesn't matter cos "the dps chart said otherwise!!11one" Not to mention if its better to have slave implans (more hp) or crystal implants (bonus to boost). I added ions to make it more realistic.. didnt really know that neuts couldnt be fitted at the same time as a decent tank. Concerning people drooling over the megathron dps... well, its easy to do as a newbie. Its the job of you oldtimers to mention things like you just did, to make us all better eve players and not just dps junkies. Im sad to hear that the Raven beats the blasterthron though. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sammiel Ars Caelestis HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:24:00 - [17] Also, a tachy geddon is going to be a bear to fit. I think it clears about 20k grid when all is said and done with Engineering 5 and each T2 tachy takes 4125 grid. In other words ugh, since I think you need 2 RCU's just to fit them. It would probably be more realistic to just use Mega Mod Pulse on the geddon, since everything else is using short range (well as much as it can). Also 2x damage mods for each weapon type on the phoon is unrealistic. It only has 7 lows, and 2 of each damage mod is 4 slots. 1 each is probably more realistic on that ship.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Sammiel Also, a tachy geddon is going to be a bear to fit. I think it clears about 20k grid when all is said and done with Engineering 5 and each T2 tachy takes 4125 grid. In other words ugh, since I think you need 2 RCU's just to fit them. It would probably be more realistic to just use Mega Mod Pulse on the geddon, since everything else is using short range (well as much as it can). Also 2x damage mods for each weapon type on the phoon is unrealistic. It only has 7 lows, and 2 of each damage mod is 4 slots. 1 each is probably more realistic on that ship. I actually just used 2 damage mods for the siege launchers for the phoon. No damage mods for the projectiles. I totally agree it wouldnt be realistic at all. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Imhotep Khem Vortex.	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:31:00 - [19] Would it be too much trouble to run these same test while at the same time keeping some form of repairing going until the cap is dry. So we get an impression of what kind of tank goes with the give DPS. In fact, how about a graph that charts a total of DPS+HPS. That is one line that represents the total of damage per second and healing per second. Without a tank measure it paints an improper picture imho. ____ "If your not dyin' your not tryin'." "Are you prepared to go all the way, Alexi?" DuGalle
Stedanko Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:35:00 - [20] What about using d650mms for the Tempest? Thats what's used in the standard AC/solo setup (ac/nos, ab-mwd/tackling gear, 2/2/2).
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Imhotep Khem Would it be too much trouble to run these same test while at the same time keeping some form of repairing going until the cap is dry. So we get an impression of what kind of tank goes with the give DPS. In fact, how about a graph that charts a total of DPS+HPS. That is one line that represents the total of damage per second and healing per second. Without a tank measure it paints an improper picture imho. I would love that too, but these graphs are coming from a excel spreadsheet. And it doesnt have those features. I do agree it paints a improper picture and should only be seen as a dps graph. Not a statement as to what ship is the wftpwnage one. We all know which one that is anyway... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:37:00 - [22] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/07/2006 17:38:38 Originally by: Imhotep Khem Would it be too much trouble to run these same test while at the same time keeping some form of repairing going until the cap is dry. So we get an impression of what kind of tank goes with the give DPS. In fact, how about a graph that charts a total of DPS+HPS. That is one line that represents the total of damage per second and healing per second. Without a tank measure it paints an improper picture imho. It isnt about best DPS under ideal conditions. It is about the average DPS when you consider range, resistance, tank and dmg type. It would be better two players of equal skill level not skill points test it out on TQ/Sisi. IMHO, the "best" race would be 1. Gallente 2. Minmatar/Caldari 3. Caldari/Minmatar 4. Amarr ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:40:00 - [23] Its rather nonsensical to compare tachs and beams with ions tbh. Looking at that graph, the geddon is horrendously overpowered. It has almost the same dot yet five times the range.... Graphs like this one only work if you manage to factor in things like speed, setups, engagement ranges, cap management, tanks and skill effects. In short: leave it to tux. Old blog
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Stedanko What about using d650mms for the Tempest? Thats what's used in the standard AC/solo setup (ac/nos, ab-mwd/tackling gear, 2/2/2). It gives about 50 extra dps.. starts at around 950 like the typhoon, then at about 10k range it starts to drop below the typhoon damage. Download and play with it. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Rod Blaine Its rather nonsensical to compare tachs and beams with ions tbh. Looking at that graph, the geddon is horrendously overpowered. It has almost the same dot yet five times the range.... Graphs like this one only work if you manage to factor in things like speed, setups, engagement ranges, cap management, tanks and skill effects. In short: leave it to tux. I tried, but he made Raven the best and I dont like it... Seriously, you are of course right.. this is just to be viewed as dps only. Nothing else. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:55:00 - [26] Edited by: Ath Amon on 24/07/2006 17:56:17 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/07/2006 17:32:08 Dps comparison Dps comparison (mega with ions, added arma with tachs/megabeams) I used 2 damage mods on all ships. Hopefully i didnt pick guns that isnt normally used or something. If i did, let me know. Looking at this, I think Raven is pretty balanced actually. But megathron is like... wow. Edit: If you want to play around with this on your own (and you really should instead of letting a n00b like me do this - its not safe! ), just download NaughtyBoy's excel spreadsheet. For the record, i think Hail needs its speed nerf removed. The dps isnt all that great with Hail as it is... there are some things to take in account 2 dmg are not a problem for a raven that can keep them and a strong tank (you can even fit 3 whitout many troubles) for tempest you can still do that and shield tank (but not as well as the raven) for other ship you will end in a so and so tank (exept maybe for a geddon) also you compared the phoon with a raven but you put 8 weapons on the phoon but just 6 on the raven... you should add blasters to the raven and compare it to the phoon also to complete the experiment try to add a bit of speed to the target
Aramendel	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Luc Boye 15-20? Null, not void. Doh. My error, not paying attention 4tl. I thought he was using the longrange for the mega.
Conwright Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:59:00 - [28] Edited by: Conwright on 24/07/2006 18:05:51 I would be interested in seeing max theroetical dps for these ships using all turret/missle hp. For example: Raven: 6xT2 seige, 2xT2 neutron Tempest: 6xT2 800, 2xT2 seige Typhoon: 4xT2 800, 4xT2 seige Armageddon: 7xT2 megapulse Megathron: 7xT2 neutron, 1xT2 seige Dominix: 6xT2 neutron and Ogre 2s for all. Apocalypse and Scorpian aren't really damage ships adding them to the comparison isn't really useful. Edit: As I'm sure it will be questioned: No, these setups are not meant to be realistic.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 18:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Ath Amon also you compared the phoon with a raven but you put 8 weapons on the phoon but just 6 on the raven... you should add blasters to the raven and compare it to the phoon also to complete the experiment try to add a bit of speed to the target I didnt think the Raven had the grid to fit guns as well as 6 siege and a decent tank? Maybe with some nice fitting skills its possible to cram 2 guns on there as well. But blasters? People use blasters on a raven? And yeah, i did play around with both your own speed and transversal velocity, but I figure if I publish that, everyone will question why i picked that specific speed... do i didnt bother. Download and play with it yourself, its easy. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tsun Lao	Posted - 2006.07.24 18:17:00 - [30] Oh the day people STOP throwing pointless damage graphs in the air without even adding tanking capabilaty to the equasion

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