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Conwright
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 19:02:00 -
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 Originally by: HippoKing
Highest frig (split rails and missles)
Highest tier cruiser (split rails and missles)
Fixed that for you
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Conwright
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Stop trolling. "Rail ship" doesn't mean "only has turret hardpoints and bonuses to railguns", much like "Missile ship" doesn't mean "only has missile hardpoints and bonuses to missiles".
If a Caldari ship has hybrid bonuses it's a railgun ship, and if it has missile bonuses it's a missile ship. If it has both then it is whichever weapon system has the most hardpoints.
On a slightly related matter, it still saddens me when people are shocked when they see the Caldari Tier3 BS is going to be a turret ship. Here's some Schooling:
ECM: Griffen -> Blackbird/Rook/Falcon -> Scorp
Missiles: Kestrel/Condor/Hawk/Crow/Manticore -> Caracal/Cerberus -> Tier2 BC/Nighthawk -> Raven -> Phoenix
Rails: Merlin/Harpy/Raptor -> Moa/Eagle -> Ferox/Vulture -> Tier3 BS
Probably missed a couple of ships, but you get the idea.
The point is that Caldari do not have ships which use entirely turrets to fill their high slots. There is always a split between missle and turret hardpoints. This can clearly be seen in the Merlin and Moa which HippoKing pointed to. I have no problem with a 6 turret/4 missle Caldari Tier3 bs with 5% shield resists and 10% optimal range since that would follow the pattern of the Merlin and Moa. However, a Tier3 Caldari bs with 8 turrets does not follow the Caldari tradition.
You can define "rail ship" however you want but that doesn't change the fact that both the Merlin and the Moa have high slots which are split between missles and turrets. Also, following your logic, the 6/4 ship would be a "rail ship" so everyone should be happy.
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Conwright
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Conwright on 24/07/2006 20:00:10
double post ftl
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Conwright
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Virtually no ship in EVE can fill all it's highslots with it's primary weapon type.
Thats true, but it doesn't change anything about the progression of Merlin->Moa->Tier3 that people are using.
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Conwright
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
That's because it is the correct progression. Look at minmatar ships - they practically all have all but 1-2 highs for turrets and the other 1-2 for launchers but they are still classed as turret ships with missiles as secondary weapons.
Except the Tempest is 6/4.
There is no reason that the Tier3 bs have to follow the frigate->cruiser progression, so Caldari can certainly have their 8 turret bs if the devs see fit. But arguing that they deserve an 8 turret bs because the Merlin and Moa use turrets is simply wrong. The progression from Merlin to Moa would result in a split rail/missle hardpoint Tier3 since both the Merlin and Moa have split rail/missle hardpoints.
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