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Scion Atrella
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Posted - 2003.10.06 03:52:00 -
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(NOTE: This thread is not intended to discriminate against either sex, or one playing the other, or visa-versa. This is mearly a statistical gathering for my own reference.)
It seems to me, that every female character I have come across in EVE was actually played by a boy/man.
I have never asked 'why' that was, when diclosed, however, I was told that the player would rather look at the image of a female, than a male.
It would seem to me, that one does not often look upon themselves, gazingly, except on login. The chat portraits are obviously too small to 'gaze' upon ones-self, and one usually has more important matters at/in hand when training skills.
Please, I would like to know if and perhaps how many actual females play EVE. (Note: I am not looking for an online romance, just facts/truth.)
You see, I feel like when upon some level of commradery w/ an apparent character of the opposite sex, that I was just put on stage of the J. Springer show. And when I find out she is a he, I feel deceived..
Why is that?
And, on some level, do males just like to play girl? 
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Tiberius Hoodey
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Posted - 2003.10.06 04:00:00 -
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I'd personally be worried about any guys who play girls
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Tiberius Hoodey
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Posted - 2003.10.06 04:01:00 -
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But the ones who play girl characters...and ACT like females....well, they have some issues to tend to.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.10.06 04:05:00 -
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I have a female alt character on my second account. She is trained up as a manufacturer (prod eff.), refiner (refinery eff.) and uber mining skills.
The reason I made it a female char is because I view that char as my servant. I see her as being my personal serving girl who builds my ships, and mines / refines my ore. Oh yeah, did I mention she cooks my food and does my laundry too.
Anyway, yeah, that's why I made a female char on my second account.
(incidentally, my "buffbot" in Dark Age of Camelot was also a female char, for similar reasons.)
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Tabius
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Posted - 2003.10.06 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Tabius on 06/10/2003 04:20:06
EDITED BECAUSE THE F'N FILTER RUINED THE JOKE!
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Sarae
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Posted - 2003.10.06 04:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sarae on 06/10/2003 04:30:35
Why does it matter?
Are you hitting on female characters in-game?
If so, I think you might be the one with the problem, if this game is what you are using for a pool of potential mates.
I always have to laugh when people bring this topic up, and then are so quick to jump on males playing female chars for "having problems". Do you really think in a game with spaceships, people are all that sexually tied in to their characters? Maybe the people so quick to point out the "problems" in those men playing female characters have some sexual identity issues they are trying to cover up?
BTW, I won't say if I'm male or female IRL. If I said I was female, you wouldn't believe me. If I said I was male, you'd assume I was homosexual. So I leave it up to your imagination. 
PS. The bad word filter gets a three-letter synonym for homosexual? That's pretty ridiculous.
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Red Rasputin
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Posted - 2003.10.06 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sarae on 06/10/2003 04:30:35
Why does it matter?
Are you hitting on female characters in-game?
If so, I think you might be the one with the problem, if this game is what you are using for a pool of potential mates.
Please read the man's original post. Then you'll find you can just delete your meaningless reply... 
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Ashlerviu
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Posted - 2003.10.06 04:57:00 -
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hehe, it's so interesting to read the forums. I'm an actual girl that plays eve, and I would never ever play a guy character, didn't play a guy on DAOC either. I guess some ppl just like to be hit on by pretending they are girls?
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.06 04:59:00 -
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I'm more interested in knowing if there are any females playing under male avatars to avoid being sexed up against a warpgate by an eager beaver fitted for max loadout without the cap to match.
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Sarae
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Posted - 2003.10.06 05:08:00 -
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I'd personally be worried about any guys who play girls
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But the ones who play girl characters...and ACT like females....well, they have some issues to tend to.
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Please read the man's original post. Then you'll find you can just delete your meaningless reply...
Go away, Rasputin-troll.
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Scion Atrella
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Posted - 2003.10.06 05:13:00 -
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Sarae,
If it doesn't matter, then why did you reply?
LOL, you ask me if I am hitting on F chars in the game when I clearly stated otherwise. If I were single, which I am not, and using the internet to "pool mates," I would fancy rather using H-or-not.com.  But thanks for the presumps, my wife would say that too!
I do like your response though, It is quite motivated, and clearly indicates emotional fueling. Perhaps I have offended you? Why is that? Want to talk about it?
You say I am "quick to jump," but yet you have trouble reading a clearly tactfull post. Did you not read my disclaimer?
as for your BTW conclusion, why would I ask for the truth, if I didn't really beleive I would get it? Kindof a waste of tappin the keys in the first place, don't you think?
Thanks,
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Sarae
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Posted - 2003.10.06 05:17:00 -
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Ok, let me make this more clear, since obviously people aren't getting it.
I was responding to Tiberius, not Scion.
Capiche?
As to why I responded, well, I am a female character. And this same thread in some form or another always seems to show up in every MMORPG that's ever released. I just find it funny that it's even an issue.
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Scion Atrella
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Posted - 2003.10.06 05:28:00 -
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Sarae,
Yes, I can tell your a female character. And no, its not an *issue.* More like throwing a hotdog down a hallway to see if it touches all the sides....
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Tiberius Hoodey
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Posted - 2003.10.06 06:01:00 -
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Seriously, we were merely commenting on the matter. Only a female would get this emotional over it.
btw, cao cao... i like your concept for having a female character...funny stuff.
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Tsingtau
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Posted - 2003.10.06 06:46:00 -
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I personally have an alt that is a female.
my reason behind it is most everyone treats you different when they see a female portrait. folks are nicer..willing to help out more. although I rarely use the alt its always there for corp negotiations as most male characters find it hard to refuse a girl.
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Singular
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Posted - 2003.10.06 06:57:00 -
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^^ Pefect example of a Gamma male.
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.10.06 07:14:00 -
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Im sure Pann plays, and she is a woman
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.10.06 07:15:00 -
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This is such a stupid topic, yet it comes up in EVERY online game at least once a month.
You say:
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And when I find out she is a he, I feel deceived..
Guess what? Chances are that person you have been talking to isn't from the Ryddinjorn system, and never attended the Pator Tech School, either. In fact, they have probably never left Earth!
The roleplaying encyclopedia Reference defines roleplaying as:
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Roleplay, simply put, is the action of playing out an imaginary role in an imaginary world. This is similar to being an actor in a play or to playing "cowboys and indians" as a child. It is a game -- Something done for enjoyment with a group of friends.
Dictionary.com (reference) defines roleplaying as:
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To assume or act out a particular role
You ask why? Why did you choose to be Amarr? The whole point is to be something you are not. Well, most of us guys aren't women. The fact that you assume a female character MUST be played by a female person, and feel "decieved" when you find out they aren't says more about you than it does about the person in question.
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Thanatar Thed
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Posted - 2003.10.06 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sarae on 06/10/2003 04:30:35
Why does it matter?
Are you hitting on female characters in-game?
If so, I think you might be the one with the problem, if this game is what you are using for a pool of potential mates.
I always have to laugh when people bring this topic up, and then are so quick to jump on males playing female chars for "having problems". Do you really think in a game with spaceships, people are all that sexually tied in to their characters? Maybe the people so quick to point out the "problems" in those men playing female characters have some sexual identity issues they are trying to cover up?
BTW, I won't say if I'm male or female IRL. If I said I was female, you wouldn't believe me. If I said I was male, you'd assume I was homosexual. So I leave it up to your imagination.
PS. The bad word filter gets a three-letter synonym for homosexual? That's pretty ridiculous.
I'de say you're female. Your post is far to well written to be a bloke.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.10.06 09:34:00 -
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Hehe Sc0rpion very true!
It's all just RP... as long as you treat it as a game then you have no problems.
I personally enjoy interacting with the Gallente wenches - some of who are very interesting characters ie. Miso, Jade, Daes etc...
TBH I dont wanna know if they are really 'female' or not coz then it spoils the RP element
Now if I was looking for a rl romance/date out of EVE then it would be a bit different...but I am not... a/s/l everyone?
By the way to the guy who doubts any real ladies play this game I know at least three 'real' girls playing this game.
One is an ex-corp member (who still plays), one is a current corp member (YES PIE has a real life female - woohoo!) and the other is a rl GF of a prominent community member - and I will not accept bribes for their names 
Safest thing to do is assume that every female character you talk to is a rl male and act appropriately...
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Trixxy
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Posted - 2003.10.06 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Trixxy on 06/10/2003 10:04:26
The answer to why a person would play a character of opposite gender: (yes, there ARE women who play male characters): Simply because they CAN.
RP games are played to escape the constraints of real life, and to play a ROLE. (Your post was very well stated Scorpion - couldn't have said it better myself).
Personally, I ignore any posts to do with real-life photographs. I don't want to know about the real life person behind the character. I like to know the character for itself, and let its own personality speak through. When I start finding out too much about the real-life person, it starts shattering the illusion of the online world, which kind of defeats the object. If I wanted 'real people' I'd spend time in chatrooms instead of online games (yeh yeh, I know, chatrooms containing people 'being themselves' is also a laughable concept).
Nothing like seeing that the well-spoken suave man that you have so much respect for in-game is actually a real-life buck-tooth pimply teenager with dandruff and coke-bottle glasses. Now THAT really shatters illusions.
My married partner and I both played opposite-sex characters in DAoC, and both of us found it interesting in terms of escape and role-play. (I use the deliberately ambiguous terminology of 'partner' as I feel it irrelevant to reveal my real-life gender. It's the role and the character that counts).
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.10.06 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Miso on 06/10/2003 10:12:16
Why does it matter?
trixxy - i agree with you completely.
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raglah
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Posted - 2003.10.06 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: raglah on 06/10/2003 10:39:47
I agree with scorpion's post but could I point out that [ as per trixxys post]this is supposed to be a ROLE playing game and many of you just don't get it? or won't RP. In the elizabethan periods all actors where male yes they played females!
In other online games I've played many men and women have used role reversal to enjoy the game.
WHO likes simpsons? bart is voiced over by a female?
yes i agree those that have a problem have never tried to act out [or act]and it reflects the present day life.. rember this is a game it is an play? its not real???
Raglah
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Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.10.06 11:19:00 -
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About 10% of my corp is made up of female members and half of those play male characters just to prevent any crap some ppl like to give either from thinking your a dirty bloke or something else.
Doesn't bother me either way, the wanting to look at a female argument is reasonable to me and I also have 1 female character but I haven't used her in over a month now.
Why the fuss from some of you people?
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tigress
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Posted - 2003.10.06 11:33:00 -
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Hell i got a female caracter just to be able to be the CEO-***** and leathermistress telling peons what to do. I like the hive-mind thing, and ants ant bees all have queens right?
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Dajjal
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Posted - 2003.10.06 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Dajjal on 06/10/2003 12:42:59
From another perspective...
A male person sitting making a male character on the selection screen can be construed as questionable... selecting physical attributes and other features to make a male character 'attractive' to them could hint at latent homosexuality to certain people - "i like my men with more pronounced chins or with a macho sneer" for instance.
Thus, the choice here is to create a female character as this is far more heterosexual. Actually 'designing' a woman which appeals to him can be seen as a far more natural process - "i like my women with large eyes or with full lips".
Once the character is complete it matters not if they are male or female as neither gets any advantage (or disadvantage for that matter). The initial design is the main element in choosing a character and not what playing that character will be like 'in-game'.
Finding out a female character is male, irl, is no more surprising than finding out a male character is male.
The above are examples. The reality will fall somewhere inbetween for the vast majority of people. Men dont develop br3asts from opting to play a female character and neither are all men are g4y for playing a male character.
*Edit* for some reason the words for "female mammory glands" and "men prefering the company of other men" were censored automatically - somewhat draconian as i cant see why either word is offensive...
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.10.06 13:14:00 -
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"I'd personally be worried about any guys who play girls"
I agree.
I talked to those playing female avatars as if I'm talking to a male player, until they tell me they are truly a famale player.
I tend "stay away" from female characters played by males, just does not feel right.
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2003.10.06 13:18:00 -
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 lol guy playing girls girls playing guys it dont matter the real reason they do it is a male players will give a female a better deal and are more likly to help a female player. its in the male genes to help females. would i ever play a female avatar no. i think it is lame to be somthing your not,but to each his or  her own. |
jason hill
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Posted - 2003.10.06 13:36:00 -
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seems to me that some of you out there that play this GAME have some real problems in real life .Whatever happend to just being yourself ???
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Tigrana Blanque
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Posted - 2003.10.06 13:40:00 -
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...i think it is lame to be somthing your not,but to each his or her own.
Wow, so you really ARE a Caldari spacefaring pilot for real? 
Avatars reduce gender to the same level as racial choice (as here, or as "elf", "human", "dwarf" etc. categories elsewhere), clothing choice, looks choice, haircolor, eyecolor, etc. Its all windowdressing, part of generating a particular character but not even the part that influences the character's abilities like attributes...and nothing more. Its not like a high charisma character must be good looking or a high willpower character looks stronger (although there are racial modifiers, those are just different seeding points really).
I'd think those who get uptight about it have the bigger issue than those who don't care one way or the other, but then I'm biased since I'm in the latter category.
And for the record I do know some females IRL who play Eve behind male avatars so it does work 'both ways'. Reasons might be a little different (some tell me its to avoid being hit on or treated like a 'girl'.) If as they commonly say the gaming community is more male biased there probably are more going M->F than F->M simply based on the available numbers. But a quantitative study might find percentages aren't that different at all.
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Caelian
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Posted - 2003.10.06 13:50:00 -
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Whatever happend to just being yourself ???
Can't we all just get along?
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Kushy
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Posted - 2003.10.06 14:24:00 -
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(incidentally, my "buffbot" in Dark Age of Camelot was also a female char, for similar reasons.)
Mmmmm DAOC :) i was Alb/Guin, and my bot was effin super! (mastery of the arcane 4, 50 enhance)
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Scion Atrella
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Posted - 2003.10.06 14:30:00 -
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Thanyou for all these very interesting responses...
This is simply one of those threads, that in some part the topic lies within the back of many players mind's.
I agree entirely upon the concept that in RPG, you should indulge. I feel that if males do play females, why break the illusion and say "I just like looking at myself." Many have stated that they will go farther if they use a female avatar, because that have the ability to 'wave the magic male dumb-stick.'
Due to harrassment policies, I have seen, and found myself asking the F avatar if that person is truly what they 'appear' to be, simply because 'shop-talk' is 'shop-talk.' I wouldn't want to talk in a fashion that would offend a female, simply to loose my account. If a player if truley 'roleplaying' then why would that player wish to involve CCP, to tell them 'hey my CEO/corp member is discriminating against me sexually (give me money).' Thus, our nice little {accept}{decline} dialog when eve is executed.
It is obvious by some of these replies that indeed RPG identities are emotionally fueled, and therefore, one could loose his/her account, if treading with forbidden verbage.
When I initially began playing EVE, comming from old school Ultimas, and Elder Scrolls, I played the part I created for my character. Quickly though, I was told I was arrogant, pushy, and that I needed to relax (percieved Amarrian.)
So, in order to fit in to the EVE 'social clic,' I now have to talk like a RL politically correct soul surfing hippy.
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Gigi Ana
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Posted - 2003.10.06 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Gigi Ana on 06/10/2003 14:42:35
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by: Trixxy on 06/10/2003
The answer to why a person would play a character of opposite gender: (yes, there ARE women who play male characters): Simply because they CAN.
RP games are played to escape the constraints of real life, and to play a ROLE.
Personally, I ignore any posts to do with real-life photographs. I don't want to know about the real life person behind the character. I like to know the character for itself, and let its own personality speak through. When I start finding out too much about the real-life person, it starts shattering the illusion of the online world, which kind of defeats the object. If I wanted 'real people' I'd spend time in chatrooms instead of online games (yeh yeh, I know, chatrooms containing people 'being themselves' is also a laughable concept).
(I use the deliberately ambiguous terminology of 'partner' as I feel it irrelevant to reveal my real-life gender. It's the role and the character that counts).
w00t! Somebody who both "gets it" and can explain it!
I think most of the people who wonder or even take exception to people using cross-gender (or in my case, cross-age (sorry, no 15yo avatars in Eve)) roles in a game come from either a war-gaming or power-gaming background rather than a rp-gaming background.
To people from a power-gaming background, they see everything as "having an edge" and feel that people would only choose a particular race/class/avatar due to trying to get an "edge" (such as selecting female gender to curry favors from ignorant males).
People (like myself) from an RP-gaming background choose a particular race/class/avatar because it fits with his/her character concept, be it a well-formed story or merely a vague mental character-sketch.
It's when strategy and rp gets thrown together in MMORPGs where the two schools of people wonder at why in the heck the others don't think like they do ...
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.10.06 14:59:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with men and women playing chars opposite to their sex. If you have a problem with that, then the problem is with you not the person playing the character. Its an act, a fantasy, nothing more. Deal with it. How many butch, male caldari pirates are there in this game played by sad, weedy, spotty, metallica fan-boy geeks vicariously living out their deranged fantasies? Probably all of them is the answer. And who cares? No-one. Its just a game.
*climbs off soapbox, returns to whipping young Amarr men*
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Cptn Stardust
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Posted - 2003.10.06 15:25:00 -
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Threads like this also act as a warning, since it applies to so called internet 'chat' locations.
Being online, you probably have to treat everything as a 'fantasy' since you can't really trust anyone unless you already know them 'long term' in real life.
When you've got males pretending to be females and females pretending to be males. Young people pretending to be older people. Older people pretending to be young people.
I understand the need for role-playing but the amount of lying that goes on. This complete lack of honesty i find rather repulsive |
Zarwi
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Posted - 2003.10.06 15:27:00 -
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I'm a chick!
no really...
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.06 15:30:00 -
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Can't we all just get a thong?
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Imogen sparrow
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Posted - 2003.10.06 15:36:00 -
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I was interesed in this too, as all the people i know that play (varing gender chars) are all male... and i really wanted to know, am i the only girl that playes eve in the entire world?!?!
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Jim Hawkins
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Posted - 2003.10.06 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Hawkins on 06/10/2003 15:39:29
Edited by: Jim Hawkins on 06/10/2003 15:38:51
So what sex should transexual hermaphrodites play?
In real life , I am t3h sexeh uber bird wiv big chebs and stuff innit
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.10.06 15:36:00 -
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A male person sitting making a male character on the selection screen can be construed as questionable... selecting physical attributes and other features to make a male character 'attractive' to them could hint at latent homosexuality to certain people - "i like my men with more pronounced chins or with a macho sneer" for instance.
Thus, the choice here is to create a female character as this is far more heterosexual. Actually 'designing' a woman which appeals to him can be seen as a far more natural process - "i like my women with large eyes or with full lips".
That pretty much hits the nail on the head
IŠd play a male char if they werenŠt so ugly
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Trixxy
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Posted - 2003.10.06 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Trixxy on 06/10/2003 16:02:42
Edited by: Trixxy on 06/10/2003 15:54:28
Cptn Stardust: Quote:
I understand the need for role-playing but the amount of lying that goes on. This complete lack of honesty i find rather repulsive
(Total re-edit: mis-interpreted Cptn Stardust on first reading...)
People have to realise that there is a difference between a ROLE and actual lying. If you were to ask me in-game about myself, and I got on well enough with you, I would freely tell you. (Otherwise I'd tell you to mind your own business ). The fact that I may be a female playing a male, or vice versa is nothing to do with lying.
But yes, people often play online games and go to chatrooms to escape. As such you can't always expect to be speaking to the REAL them. I will be the first to admit my on-line persona is often different from my real-life one. This knowledge should come with the territory when playing an on-line game. This does not mean you can't still make lasting friendships online though. A person's core personality will generally still shine through, and befriending a character in-game is not a far cry from a real-life friendship.
But the very fact that people online will want to naturally shield themselves is not so much a question of lying as a means of being free of the real-life restrictions in communication. It is both the blessing and the curse of online communication.
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Scion Atrella
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Posted - 2003.10.06 16:39:00 -
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Thankyou Imogen sparrow, that answers my question.
LOL..
And yes, we should all just get a thong... But not the same one, cuz who knows what the string will smell like after this thread..
But we would know who the guys and gals are cuz most of the gals would wash when they are done wearing it.... Mostly....
Which brings up an entirely nother subject.. A section of the population of women would like guys to get freaky (yall know what I'ma talkin bout ), and another section of the male population that have nightmares about such things. So alot of gals go around feeling unfreakified, which may be interpreted into unsatisfied?
hmm....
To stir the poo-pot again..Oh help me now, I can't help but click the 'post reply' button!!!
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IG72
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Posted - 2003.10.06 17:06:00 -
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This post reminds me of a song...
Girls who are boys, who like boys to be girls,
Who do boys like they're girls, who do girls like they're boys..
Blur 
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.10.06 17:40:00 -
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It all gets so complicated trying to keep in mind that the avatar you see may be a male or female player, and then trying to figure out what they are, etc. Why bother?
I treat every character I see in game as what they appear to be. It's much simpler. And I play the game, which means everyone in local (male or female) is a possible threat, competitor, target, or just someone who wants to mind his or her own business and not be bothered by idle chat.
It was a lot of fun in Everquest when a certain female barbarian shaman character would log on, and then offer to "let us in her pants" (activate the healing effect her mail greaves had, during the raid). You can only do this in a group of friends, because they know it's tongue-in-cheek. A complete stranger will take you literally and fall in love. Stupid. |
Relentless
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Posted - 2003.10.06 18:21:00 -
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When in the game, be in the game. Try not to confuse it with real life.
All characters are virtual characters. Why care who/what they are in RL? You're never going to meet them.
I thought this through when Miso posted her snog thread, since admittedly my initial reaction to the idea of flirting with someone who could possibly be a guy was distaste. But realized quickly that was goofy, and just interfered with enjoying the game.
Virtual girl = virtual snog. No reason for your manhood to be threatened or for the gf to get jealous.
All that being said, I do share the curiousity of the original post. Not about specific characters, but in general I am curious what the ratio actually is.
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Bashar
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Posted - 2003.10.06 18:46:00 -
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In most RPG's I play female characters becaase they are as you said "easier on the eyes"
After 7 years my wife still isn't sure if this bothers her or not, so I suggest you all don't let it bother you.
In eve, I never see my character anyway  , so I have made all male characters except for one who is my alt and current sales rep. Everyone would rather buy from the pretty lass Darwi Odrade than ugly old Bashar right?
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Bashar Miles Teg
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Johnsus
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Posted - 2003.10.09 17:48:00 -
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The reason I made it a female char is because I view that char as my servant. I see her as being my personal serving girl who builds my ships, and mines / refines my ore. Oh yeah, did I mention she cooks my food and does my laundry too.
BAHAHAHAHA! Priceless, Cao cao. I personally do not care what gender is behind the toon either, as it is my own personal opinion that *every* female in *any* online video game is a dude. Either a pimple-faced teenager (the more arrogant and stupid they sound, the more this is obvious), or an older, more mature casual player that actually has a life and plays EVE to have fun, not measure his **** size.
Facts are, chicks do not care about loot. They care about having cute toons. If an avatar is totally HOT however, she's likely a guy who has vaseline and kleenex next to his kb. Girls are just not that serious or competitive. I think that is an endearing quality.
Oh, and if you are a girl and ARE competitive? You're probably a *******. :)
Johnsus - CEO
"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."
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SOHAIL
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Posted - 2003.10.09 17:56:00 -
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Your Avatar represents your personality.-Amy-
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Jovni
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