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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3405
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Posted - 2014.08.26 18:44:00 -
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Paynus Maiassus wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.
But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it. Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion. What makes you think CCP seems just fine with casual players leaving? All the new tooltips, the new PvE missions, the increased options for freighters and the buffing of barges and exhumers overall making ganking harder? This makes you think CCP doesn't care about high sec and care bears, the bastion of new and casual players? And how do you even know the casuals are leaving? Given the lack of a summer war, tell me how you know what's causing the lower concurrent logins? Given the number of alts in game, PLEX price fluctuations, and multiple uses for PLEX, tell me how you know that casuals are actually leaving the game and not alts of vets? And tell me how Crius and Hyperion have damaged the game? The only gauge I have seen is forum posts, which account for an incredibly small percentage of the player base, and the overwhelming majority of the negative feedback seems to be coming from veterans who won't wrap their head around change and improvement. Veterans that have an incredible pattern of returning to the game with new updates that address the problems they complain about, which lately is the sov stalemate. (I predict a swell of returning players after this is updated next year.) So tell me how you are not a useless troll and an uninformed ranter insulting CCP?
Touched a nerve I see.
PCU year over year at this point is lowest in 4 years. Are null sec players leaving because of boredom? Of course. But Crius murdered high sec industry, as was predicted. A whole bunch of the people that do high sec industry stated they would leave, and looks like they followed through.
Gevlon Goblin, who spouts a whole ton of propaganda, but occasionally comes up with some hard numbers, has posted graphs showing the declining activity across the board, but it is most pronounced in high sec.
Pretty toys like overview sharing and frigate burner missions will not cut it if the rest of a high sec player's existence is misery, which Crius just added more of that misery to. |
Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
53
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Posted - 2014.08.26 18:46:00 -
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EVE will die when CCP Guard leaves
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August - Breeze
Lost Society Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:02:00 -
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EVE is already in decline and with every blunder like everyone's overview being erased, the decline will speed up. I hear most people say they have no faith in CCP and that CCP does not know what they are doing.
EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7782
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:06:00 -
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August - Breeze wrote:EVE is already in decline and with every blunder like everyone's overview being erased, the decline will speed up. I hear most people say they have no faith in CCP and that CCP does not know what they are doing.
EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.
Thought I heard it all. Now I have.
The history books will record that "though EVE survived scandal after scandal, new game launch after new game launch, and 11 years as a subscription MMO when the rest of the industry went free to play, it was the deleting of easy to make/replace overviews that speleed the end of EVE Online".............
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Prince Kobol
2083
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:20:00 -
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August - Breeze wrote:
EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.
This is a very important point. There has never been a direct competitor to Eve. Sometimes I think this is shame because nothing drives improvement and removes complacency like a bit of competition.
I know some people will defend CCP no matter what which is fair enough, but Eve not having any direct competition is a factor in its longevity.
As for the overviews not working, for some people it might be the straw that broke the camels back. Sometimes its the accumulation of lots of little things that eventually drives a player away, not a major big thing.
One of the major reasons I quit playing Lotro (which I loved and played for nearly 3 years) was not for any 1 or 2 major issues, but the accumulation of many many issues which ultimately when put together, made me no longer enjoy the game.
The straw for me was a small change in a particular skill, it was just a small change but it was enough to push me over the edge. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
53
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:31:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:August - Breeze wrote:
EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.
This is a very important point. There has never been a direct competitor to Eve. Sometimes I think this is shame because nothing drives improvement and removes complacency like a bit of competition. I know some people will defend CCP no matter what which is fair enough, but Eve not having any direct competition is a factor in its longevity. As for the overviews not working, for some people it might be the straw that broke the camels back. Sometimes its the accumulation of lots of little things that eventually drives a player away, not a major big thing. One of the major reasons I quit playing Lotro (which I loved and played for nearly 3 years) was not for any 1 or 2 major issues, but the accumulation of many many issues which ultimately when put together, made me no longer enjoy the game. The straw for me was a small change in a particular skill, it was just a small change but it was enough to push me over the edge.
well said prince,
every MMO has its day, what many accomplish is the reward to its legacy.. and eve online has survived, but now since competition is finally heading its way, we're seeing CCP take gambles.
one big issue besides the overview.. is the "blackout" screen players are beginning to report causing them to not play the game at all. thanks ccp you make patch day awesome!!!!! lol |
Ahost Gceo
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:48:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:At least another 5 years. If they don't **** everyone off by making arbitrary and unnecessary changes against the wishes of the playerbase. I'm a friggin' banana. |
Kudos12345
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:56:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
This is a very important point. There has never been a direct competitor to Eve. Sometimes I think this is shame because nothing drives improvement and removes complacency like a bit of competition.
QFT
For me to leave EVE there has to a single shard MMO where thousands of players can duke it out whenever they want to, a game that kicks you in the balls mercilessly if you make a mistakes and smiles while it does it and it has to do those things better, name one game like that on the market. There is some eye candy out there but as for Starcitizens which from everything Ive seen offers twitch level play well there goes the single shard universe out the window, you think eve is click and point for no reason my understanding is that twitch like play takes up way more server resources than is feasible for a single shard no player cap limit servers to handle, those sorts of games are way out in the future, if EVE could do it it would its just not technically feasible. I would love if there was an EVE killer out there but the fact there isn't and its unfortunate that EVE in terms of as far as I am concerned after eleven years still leads the market in a single shard no mercy open world design.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6391
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:56:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:One of the major reasons I quit playing Lotro (which I loved and played for nearly 3 years) was not for any 1 or 2 major issues, but the accumulation of many many issues which ultimately when put together, made me no longer enjoy the game.
The straw for me was a small change in a particular skill, it was just a small change but it was enough to push me over the edge. Material Efficiency => Advanced Industry ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
48
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:51:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:NO THIS IS NOT AN 'EvE IS DYING' THREAD! I BELIEVE THAT EvE IS VARY MUCH ALIVE ATM!
I hope that EvE will last many more years, but all good things must come to an end at some point whether it's because the servers will shut down or because too few people will play EvE as it becomes unpopular.
So my question is, how many years do you think that EvE will last?
Pointless question really, your guess is as good as anyone else's. |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4073
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:10:00 -
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It will probably take a decade for the forum-warriors to realize the servers have been offline. |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
72
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:46:00 -
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August - Breeze wrote:EVE is already in decline and with every blunder like everyone's overview being erased, the decline will speed up. I hear most people say they have no faith in CCP and that CCP does not know what they are doing.
EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.
Maybe you should check out some other games as eve offer alot more features and stability, support than nearly every game ive played, they actually sort issues and change the game in ways it creates better gameplay, unlike other games which just try to pry more money from you in the way of microtransactions as "new content"
EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -áWeb Design | Website Graphics -á
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AnotherUseless Alt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:17:00 -
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I'll just leave this here....
http://eve-offline.net
Approaching 2008 average player levels. Certainly looks healthy to me. "Self help is all in your head" |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1185
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:43:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:NO THIS IS NOT AN 'EvE IS DYING' THREAD! I BELIEVE THAT EvE IS VARY MUCH ALIVE ATM!
I hope that EvE will last many more years, but all good things must come to an end at some point whether it's because the servers will shut down or because too few people will play EvE as it becomes unpopular.
So my question is, how many years do you think that EvE will last?
You are asking a question and then telling people that its not a thread about their answer if it differs from yours.
Par for the course up in GD.
My answer? Eve is dying, a year tops. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Demerlis
Blue-Fire
25
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:49:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Gevlon Goblin, who spouts a whole ton of propaganda, but occasionally comes up with some hard numbers, has posted graphs showing the declining activity across the board, but it is most pronounced in high sec.
Did DInsdale just cite Gevlon Goblin as a reliable source of information?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6392
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:07:00 -
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Demerlis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Gevlon Goblin, who spouts a whole ton of propaganda, but occasionally comes up with some hard numbers, has posted graphs showing the declining activity across the board, but it is most pronounced in high sec.
Did DInsdale just cite Gevlon Goblin as a reliable source of information? This IS general discussion, so ... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4259
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:08:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.
But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it. Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion.
By their very definition of being casual, they were never going to stick around to begin with. Why would, or why should, CCP have a problem with that? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4262
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:10:00 -
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Demerlis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Gevlon Goblin, who spouts a whole ton of propaganda, but occasionally comes up with some hard numbers, has posted graphs showing the declining activity across the board, but it is most pronounced in high sec.
Did DInsdale just cite Gevlon Goblin as a reliable source of information?
Dinsdale strikes me as the kind of guy who would cite infowars as a reliable source of information so I can't say I'm surprised. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Prince Kobol
2083
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.
But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it. Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion. By their very definition of being casual, they were never going to stick around to begin with. Why would, or why should, CCP have a problem with that?
Being a casual player does not mean that you will not stick around.
Being a casual player means that.. your casual, you only play a few hours a week.
In regards to subs a player playing only a few hours a week is the same as somebody who plays 30 hours a week. They both pay the same money.
I am sure there are many people who only play a few hours a week due to RL commitments or simply because they do not want to spend hours upon hours in front of a computer screen.
Some people might just like to mine, some might like to run a few missions, some might like to do a little exploration, others a bit of pew pew, either way, they are still as important as those who put in lots of hours in regards to subs. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4262
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:03:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.
But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it. Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion. By their very definition of being casual, they were never going to stick around to begin with. Why would, or why should, CCP have a problem with that? Being a casual player does not mean that you will not stick around. Being a casual player means that.. your casual, you only play a few hours a week. In regards to subs a player playing only a few hours a week is the same as somebody who plays 30 hours a week. They both pay the same money. I am sure there are many people who only play a few hours a week due to RL commitments or simply because they do not want to spend hours upon hours in front of a computer screen. Some people might just like to mine, some might like to run a few missions, some might like to do a little exploration, others a bit of pew pew, either way, they are still as important as those who put in lots of hours in regards to subs.
I never said anything about importance, but since you brought it up...
The 'important' customers are the game's intended audience. If the intended audience are happy, then the game is doing well. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6583
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:16:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: But the casual players, they are leaving
Good
Get em out
Ban the lot of em I say "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Prince Kobol
2083
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:53:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.
But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it. Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion. By their very definition of being casual, they were never going to stick around to begin with. Why would, or why should, CCP have a problem with that? Being a casual player does not mean that you will not stick around. Being a casual player means that.. your casual, you only play a few hours a week. In regards to subs a player playing only a few hours a week is the same as somebody who plays 30 hours a week. They both pay the same money. I am sure there are many people who only play a few hours a week due to RL commitments or simply because they do not want to spend hours upon hours in front of a computer screen. Some people might just like to mine, some might like to run a few missions, some might like to do a little exploration, others a bit of pew pew, either way, they are still as important as those who put in lots of hours in regards to subs. I never said anything about importance, but since you brought it up... The 'important' customers are the game's intended audience. If the intended audience are happy, then the game is doing well.
You said that casual players were never going to stick around.. hence they are not important, hence CCP should not care.
Your wrong. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
8818
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:57:00 -
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You're* ... a thousand times! YELLOW FOR SIBYYL! RAISE YOUR ARMS \o/ :D https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4953366#post4953366 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XsorUGTaq0
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6584
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:00:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote: Your wrong.
Seriously is becoming my seriously most used word today.
Seriously though, wtf dude. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Beta Maoye
35
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:03:00 -
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I think at least 5 years. Right now, nothing out there can truly challenge EVE. Those new games are just eye candies that are not even close to the depth of EVE.
In time, technological revolution in software and/or hardware will enable implementation of some creative ideas that the code base and infrastructure of EVE can no longer catch up. EVE will then be slowly phased out. It will be much like Samsung and Iphone replacing Nokia. But then we may have already moved to EVE 2. |
Prince Kobol
2083
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:07:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: Your wrong.
Seriously is becoming my seriously most used word today. Seriously though, wtf dude.
Whilst Dinsdale is full of crap, saying that casual players are not important as they are not going to stick around is also crap.
You shouldn't fight crap with crap as all it makes is more crap
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6584
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:10:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: Your wrong.
Seriously is becoming my seriously most used word today. Seriously though, wtf dude. Whilst Dinsdale is full of crap, saying that casual players are not important as they are not going to stick around is also crap. You shouldn't fight crap with crap as all it makes is more crap
That's good, but its not right.
Your reply has nothing to do with my comment. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Prince Kobol
2083
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:09:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: Your wrong.
Seriously is becoming my seriously most used word today. Seriously though, wtf dude. Whilst Dinsdale is full of crap, saying that casual players are not important as they are not going to stick around is also crap. You shouldn't fight crap with crap as all it makes is more crap That's good, but its not right.Your reply has nothing to do with my comment.
Hehehe, I have actually met Roy Walker on more than a few occasions . He used to live pretty close to me and I would talk to him at our local petrol station filling up his Rolls Royce early in the morning on my way to work.
Nice Bloke. |
rogue Aldebaran
Rogue Fleet
7
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:15:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:August - Breeze wrote:EVE is already in decline and with every blunder like everyone's overview being erased, the decline will speed up. I hear most people say they have no faith in CCP and that CCP does not know what they are doing.
EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.
Thought I heard it all. Now I have. The history books will record that "though EVE survived scandal after scandal, new game launch after new game launch, and 11 years as a subscription MMO when the rest of the industry went free to play, it was the deleting of easy to make/replace overviews that speleed the end of EVE Online".............
I hope Hillmar does not run is company thinking the way you do. History has shown that most business leaders who though their company to be invincible has eventually seen their organization fallen into irrelevancy. Just like where CCP is slowly going atm. That being said, I would suggest him to read "Good To Great" from Jim Collins. Could help him understand why is company no longer is winning...and how he could get it back on tracks again. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4265
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Posted - 2014.08.27 15:22:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.
But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it. Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion. By their very definition of being casual, they were never going to stick around to begin with. Why would, or why should, CCP have a problem with that? Being a casual player does not mean that you will not stick around. Being a casual player means that.. your casual, you only play a few hours a week. In regards to subs a player playing only a few hours a week is the same as somebody who plays 30 hours a week. They both pay the same money. I am sure there are many people who only play a few hours a week due to RL commitments or simply because they do not want to spend hours upon hours in front of a computer screen. Some people might just like to mine, some might like to run a few missions, some might like to do a little exploration, others a bit of pew pew, either way, they are still as important as those who put in lots of hours in regards to subs. I never said anything about importance, but since you brought it up... The 'important' customers are the game's intended audience. If the intended audience are happy, then the game is doing well. You said that casual players were never going to stick around.. hence they are not important, hence CCP should not care. Your wrong.
My wrong? I dunno... you're (ie a compound word meaning 'you are') the one putting words in my mouth so I'd call this one 'your wrong'. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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