Its already dead apparently

Its already dead apparently

NO THIS IS NOT AN 'EvE ... EvE ... EvE ... EvE ... EvE ...

all good things must come to an end at some point

I can tell you how long I think this thread will last?

Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are actually good for EVE, those are carebear heaven PVE games (don't fall for the "we're fierce PVP space sims" thing, they're not) so tons of bears will flock there and new players of that type will go there first. That means that CCP will (have to) focus more on PVP related content to keep and enhance its niche; less super safe silliness, reverting changes that have been happening for years to make it more mainstream (or at least stopping the inevitableness of it).

It also makes EVE less of a candidate to be taken over by a "larger entity" (EA). It's win-win really.

In 5.5 billion years when the sun expands and the earth gets cooked. Then we celebrate the release of Eve Online 2 in the Andromeda galaxy.

Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are actually good for EVE, those are carebear heaven PVE games (don't fall for the "we're fierce PVP space sims" thing, they're not) so tons of bears will flock there and new players of that type will go there first. That means that CCP will (have to) focus more on PVP related content to keep and enhance its niche; less super safe silliness, reverting changes that have been happening for years to make it more mainstream (or at least stopping the inevitableness of it).

It also makes EVE less of a candidate to be taken over by a "larger entity" (EA). It's win-win really.

Everytime someone says EVE is Dying, a player biomasses. You can do the math from there, Q.Q


Think of the players!

Those games will never have any impact on EVE, in the exact same way that NO game has had an impact on EVE in the last 11 years (despite sooooo many predictions that they would). Not even for the carebears.

You see, our 'carebears' complain loudly about the freedom everyone else has (freedom to screw with their carebearing), they lobby CCP for more safety, they crap up both forum and blog with their cries. Then another MMO comes out that caters EXACTLY to what they say they want (protection from 'griefers', 'good/immersive pve', walking around, 'procedural generation', a less stringent 'death penalty' etc etc etc). They go there and play and are happy for 5 minutes.

Then they realize that they aren't having fun, because now their are no 'griefers' against which they can measure themselves and give themselves a false sense of 'I'm better than those gankers because I'm nice to people in a spaceship game' superiority. Without the people they claim to hate and want to get away from, they are lost and have no reason to post in threadnaughts or blog incessantly about how terrible people are.

Point blank, those carebears need EVE way more than EVE needs their subscription.


So while they will always LOUDLY depart EVE, they will of course come back (much more quietly), not because EVE is a great game (it is), but because EVE exposes something about themselves that they both hate and can't live without.

Those games will never have any impact on EVE, in the exact same way that NO game has had an impact on EVE in the last 11 years (despite sooooo many predictions that they would). Not even for the carebears.

You see, our 'carebears' complain loudly about the freedom everyone else has (freedom to screw with their carebearing), they lobby CCP for more safety, they crap up both forum and blog with their cries. Then another MMO comes out that caters EXACTLY to what they say they want (protection from 'griefers', 'good/immersive pve', walking around, 'procedural generation', a less stringent 'death penalty' etc etc etc). They go there and play and are happy for 5 minutes.

Then they realize that they aren't having fun, because now their are no 'griefers' against which they can measure themselves and give themselves a false sense of 'I'm better than those gankers because I'm nice to people in a spaceship game' superiority. Without the people they claim to hate and want to get away from, they are lost and have no reason to post in threadnaughts or blog incessantly about how terrible people are.

Point blank, those carebears need EVE way more than EVE needs their subscription.


So while they will always LOUDLY depart EVE, they will of course come back (much more quietly), not because EVE is a great game (it is), but because EVE exposes something about themselves that they both hate and can't live without.

Only ones I see complaining are the self-proclaimed pvprs. I bet you live in nullsec too....don't spend too much time on the forums, you have rent to pay for the nullbear pve.

Oh ya, give your hi-sec alts a holla...woop woop.

It's inevitable this all be passed along to a younger generation coming up that already exhibits signs of lacking any intellectual or imaginative prowess.

On the WoW forums, players would always pontificate about whether the game was dying, and whether the next MMO would be the WoW-Killer. These type of threads would go on for years, while the game kept moving on, distributing content.

If a game get stale to you, the problem is with you. A game cannot maintain its freshness for players that have been subscribed for a number of years. It's time for those players to take a break (temporary or extended).

Let me guess, you're a pvper.

That is an amazing amount of but hurt from a post of less than 50 words. Congrats.

All MMOGs have a period of expansion, followed immediately by a period of inexorable decline.

EVE's been on a (somewhat volatile) plateau for years.


All games dwindle to few or no players eventually, everything comes to and end.

But with the continuing reworks of old mechanics/code/graphics/etc, "EVE 1" is arguably already ended and we're playing "EVE 2".


In summary I'd give this thread potato out of hammock.

With the subscription we pay comes the right to complain and ***** about it. And even more, people thta *****, whine and moan genuinly care in general, why else would you bother.

I have played many games, but never did a game captivate me too the extend and lenght i decided to out time as a csm in. Eve is in many ways still unique and i dont see any rival that, except promises and vague ideas. The niche thing works for eve, and i woudl happely bralw it out for years with the same players in an ever changing environment, even the current drop in big null is an intresting way to see what people will do, do they have the creativity or look at ccp. Ofc ccp is busy as well there.

So its both love and uniqueness for me personally that drive eve, i couodnt imagine doing something else, so this next decade, yeah, looking forward too it, hope and despair, closely tied

A caring player makes lots of noise, developers need to be concerned of those saying nothing.

NO THIS IS NOT AN 'EvE IS DYING' THREAD! I BELIEVE THAT EvE IS VARY MUCH ALIVE ATM!

I hope that EvE will last many more years, but all good things must come to an end at some point whether it's because the servers will shut down or because too few people will play EvE as it becomes unpopular.

So my question is, how many years do you think that EvE will last?

This is a very important part. The original crew was amazing (showcased by how they made something amazing; EVE), for a long time now the newer guys have adopted the "that'll do" strategy rather than "make it amazing", they lack the talent, drive and insight.

On top of that the initial devs (and subsequently the game itself) for purely PVP focused where PVE was an afterthought, the new ones seem to lack the pvpers mindset and thus the game becomes more carebear heaven (apart from the obvious "the game becomes more corporate now that it's successful").

Those games will never have any impact on EVE...

But Star Citizen has more... psssshhhh.

EvE IS DYING' THREAD! I BELIEVE THAT EvE IS DIE SOON!

I hope that EvE will last many more years, but all good things must come to an end at some point whether it's because the servers will shut down or because too few people will play EvE as it becomes unpopular.

So my question is, how many months do you think that EvE will last?

Actually its been gowing more or less for over a decade. Also we are on EVE 32 or something by now.

Got something else to go on?

Subs.

Let me just quickly consult my Mayan Calendar pocket edition, yes yes it covers this, EVE will end in exactly one minute :)

[citation needed]

EVE has already existed for over a decade, the longest running MMO that I know of and the oldest of all current MMOs.

http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/28/eve-online-hits-500-000-subscribers-heads-into-second-decade

Going by eve-offline's all-time PCU it hit a plateau years ago. Got something else to go on?
Also, Crius was the first rework of the fundamental industry mechanics since the game launched and there still remain some untouched original mechanics (as far as I know), so EVE 2 at best, although EVE 1 was heavily expanded.

eve-offline doesn't track subs. It tracks logged in accounts. Skill queue online manages to keep a lot of people paying, even when they aren't actively playing the game.
It's brilliant, really.

A game where no-one logs in is a dead game, whether or not the company makes money from it. Active subcriptions are necessary but not sufficient for the game to be in a playable state. Similarly, a growth in subs is necessary but not sufficient for the game to be considerd growing.

Or, to put it more simply, if EVE is just one guy with 500,000 accounts, and he opens 500,000 more, EVE is still just one guy.

Reiisha ...


"Also: The reason no one is logging in is actually different to my rant above. "



... and ... erm ... you consider that no one is logging on applies when the daily high is over 40.000 players ???

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Have another drink !

me

It also makes EVE less of a candidate to be taken over by a "larger entity" (EA). It's win-win really.

By the looks of it you have had enough drinks as your ability to read has been severely disrupted !!!!

Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.

But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it.
Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion.

What makes you think CCP seems just fine with casual players leaving? All the new tooltips, the new PvE missions, the increased options for freighters and the buffing of barges and exhumers overall making ganking harder? This makes you think CCP doesn't care about high sec and care bears, the bastion of new and casual players?

And how do you even know the casuals are leaving? Given the lack of a summer war, tell me how you know what's causing the lower concurrent logins? Given the number of alts in game, PLEX price fluctuations, and multiple uses for PLEX, tell me how you know that casuals are actually leaving the game and not alts of vets?

And tell me how Crius and Hyperion have damaged the game? The only gauge I have seen is forum posts, which account for an incredibly small percentage of the player base, and the overwhelming majority of the negative feedback seems to be coming from veterans who won't wrap their head around change and improvement. Veterans that have an incredible pattern of returning to the game with new updates that address the problems they complain about, which lately is the sov stalemate. (I predict a swell of returning players after this is updated next year.)

So tell me how you are not a useless troll and an uninformed ranter insulting CCP?

EVE is already in decline and with every blunder like everyone's overview being erased, the decline will speed up. I hear most people say they have no faith in CCP and that CCP does not know what they are doing.

EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.

EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.

This is a very important point. There has never been a direct competitor to Eve. Sometimes I think this is shame because nothing drives improvement and removes complacency like a bit of competition.

I know some people will defend CCP no matter what which is fair enough, but Eve not having any direct competition is a factor in its longevity.

As for the overviews not working, for some people it might be the straw that broke the camels back. Sometimes its the accumulation of lots of little things that eventually drives a player away, not a major big thing.

One of the major reasons I quit playing Lotro (which I loved and played for nearly 3 years) was not for any 1 or 2 major issues, but the accumulation of many many issues which ultimately when put together, made me no longer enjoy the game.

The straw for me was a small change in a particular skill, it was just a small change but it was enough to push me over the edge.

At least another 5 years.

This is a very important point. There has never been a direct competitor to Eve. Sometimes I think this is shame because nothing drives improvement and removes complacency like a bit of competition.

One of the major reasons I quit playing Lotro (which I loved and played for nearly 3 years) was not for any 1 or 2 major issues, but the accumulation of many many issues which ultimately when put together, made me no longer enjoy the game.

The straw for me was a small change in a particular skill, it was just a small change but it was enough to push me over the edge.

NO THIS IS NOT AN 'EvE IS DYING' THREAD! I BELIEVE THAT EvE IS VARY MUCH ALIVE ATM!

I hope that EvE will last many more years, but all good things must come to an end at some point whether it's because the servers will shut down or because too few people will play EvE as it becomes unpopular.

So my question is, how many years do you think that EvE will last?

EVE is already in decline and with every blunder like everyone's overview being erased, the decline will speed up. I hear most people say they have no faith in CCP and that CCP does not know what they are doing.

EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.

NO THIS IS NOT AN 'EvE IS DYING' THREAD! I BELIEVE THAT EvE IS VARY MUCH ALIVE ATM!

I hope that EvE will last many more years, but all good things must come to an end at some point whether it's because the servers will shut down or because too few people will play EvE as it becomes unpopular.

So my question is, how many years do you think that EvE will last?

Gevlon Goblin, who spouts a whole ton of propaganda, but occasionally comes up with some hard numbers, has posted graphs showing the declining activity across the board, but it is most pronounced in high sec.

Did DInsdale just cite Gevlon Goblin as a reliable source of information?

Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.

But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it.
Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion.

Did DInsdale just cite Gevlon Goblin as a reliable source of information?

By their very definition of being casual, they were never going to stick around to begin with. Why would, or why should, CCP have a problem with that?

Being a casual player does not mean that you will not stick around.

Being a casual player means that.. your casual, you only play a few hours a week.

In regards to subs a player playing only a few hours a week is the same as somebody who plays 30 hours a week. They both pay the same money.

I am sure there are many people who only play a few hours a week due to RL commitments or simply because they do not want to spend hours upon hours in front of a computer screen.

Some people might just like to mine, some might like to run a few missions, some might like to do a little exploration, others a bit of pew pew, either way, they are still as important as those who put in lots of hours in regards to subs.

But the casual players, they are leaving

I never said anything about importance, but since you brought it up...


The 'important' customers are the game's intended audience. If the intended audience are happy, then the game is doing well.

Your wrong.

Seriously is becoming my seriously most used word today.

Seriously though, wtf dude.

Whilst Dinsdale is full of crap, saying that casual players are not important as they are not going to stick around is also crap.

You shouldn't fight crap with crap as all it makes is more crap

That's good, but its not right.

Your reply has nothing to do with my comment.

Thought I heard it all. Now I have.

The history books will record that "though EVE survived scandal after scandal, new game launch after new game launch, and 11 years as a subscription MMO when the rest of the industry went free to play, it was the deleting of easy to make/replace overviews that speleed the end of EVE Online".............

You said that casual players were never going to stick around.. hence they are not important, hence CCP should not care.

Your wrong.

Hehehe, I have actually met Roy Walker on more than a few occasions . He used to live pretty close to me and I would talk to him at our local petrol station filling up his Rolls Royce early in the morning on my way to work.

Nice Bloke.