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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.25 20:58:00 -
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Thorondir 42 wrote:
Vengeance does work for the angle one .. allthough you need to overheat your repper/launcher or you will die:
Hm, thats weird, I used vengeance against angel guy and had absolutely no issues tanking him with single t2 sar and got him down really fast, like under 1 min - and with faction nova rockets...
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.25 21:43:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote:
Fozzie changed/tweaked the Burner two days ago. Maybe that's the reason, but aside form that the Angel one is shield tanking, so EM is its lowest resistance, i doubt you have killed him with nova = explo in under a 1min.
Thats why it is weird to me  . I even warped into mission accepting that he will tank me (just over 200 eft dps), but he dropped like a fly and I remember I even didnt need to reload. Well, that was on friday, so most likely something changed. |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.26 17:18:00 -
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Can add enyo as usable ship against serpentis burner :
[Enyo, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Centii A-Type Kinetic Plating
Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Centii A-Type Thermic Plating
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Rocket Launcher II, Nova Javelin Rocket
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Small Anti-Thermic Pump I
Warrior II x1
Time to kill : 1m17s so it should work with overheated m4 webs. Tank was generous, probably I could use second mfs but I ran out of cpu so it would need much more pimping. Deadspace platings were very cheap, so was t2 rig.
Btw I think that triple web hawk will be even better vs serpentis burner. |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:20:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote:
Hawk works nicely on the Daredevil Burner, question is triple faction web or dual faction web+TP both setups should use rigor rigs. I'm not sure if the tank is enough with those setups, i used one med slot for a kinetic ampli and it was barely enough.
Thats weird, because in eft medium shield booster hawk shows same sustaned tank as enyo I used and it was enough. Maybe it is because hawk has much less ehp in shields than enyo in armor, so damage seems more spikey, but it should be enough unless you get unlucky streak of wrecking hits (well even then ehp in hull and armor should save you).
Afaik triple web + rigor should be better than double web and painter + rigor, but I will test it anyway.
As for cruor guy, I tried dual asb wolf and failed, had to warp out and got him barely into 75% armor (that was with around 290 dps at 4k and 0,6 ang/s tracking). Probably could do it with crystal clone, but not going to bother. |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:47:00 -
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Dont forget that rats can also land wrecking shots on you, happened to me in fight with cruor, he got my dd to structure. Safety first! |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:10:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:
Well here comes the racial imbalance then: Good luck getting that DPS from Minmatar/Amarr. Hybrids are uniqely capable of doing that DPS withtou total death of the fit.
2 Hardeners should reach 85%-95% resist across 2 damage types on the right AF. The wolfs against pure Thermal/EM is ridiculous.
Well I managed to kill blood raider guy with 370dps (oh) pimped wolf in 2m30s. Was fun little bit since 2 times I injected right before cruors neut cycle and got maybe 2-3 cycles of rep before capping out.
I havent got angel one since changes, but before them I could easily break him with 200dps vengeance. |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.27 15:32:00 -
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Apocalypse Solar wrote:The Dramiel is a lot tougher now. His tank is pretty insane as is his DPS.
I had over 200 dps vengeance using suggested fits and couldnt break him before I died.
Just did angel mission and could easily break him with triple web vengeance with around 175 dps (although it took twice as long as before the changes). Tank barely moved (centii sar, a type explosive plating and t2 eamn) so I guess double bcs is easily possible.
I even had small electron blaster (33dps) in spare high, but forgot to keep range, so it didnt manage to land a single hit.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.27 16:01:00 -
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So angel guy got buffed and then nerfed again or what happened? |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:06:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Torgeir Hekard wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:I love all these fits with no prop mod. Because a prop mod is so much help when you are scrammed from 20km and webbed from 50. Of from 20, but with 90% strength. Or when a rat ABs at 3,5 km/s. Yes, it is. You're doing it wrong. It's called sling-shotting. Learn to PVP.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:48:00 -
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If you got alt that can fly any of the good faction/assault frigs, dont waste your time with griffin, just blob the burner with two 300+ dps frigs (one of them being dd is best imo), he will die in no time. |
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:43:00 -
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Go slingshot a daredevil sitting at warp in small plex then and dont waste your uber pvp knowledge in missions forum. |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:59:00 -
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Cool, but I suggest to load javelins if you want to hit him with rockets. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 09:11:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote:Null Iato wrote:Are the Daredevil fits from the first post still viable? Not asking if they are the best, its just that I like the DD so much.. Was hoping to find a consensus in the rigs though instead of getting three separately rigged ships. Yep, just be careful vs the Burner Dramiel.
Just fit more tank if you are not sure, I dont think it will matter much if it will take you 20s longer. And on next try you can switch to more dps if you feel comfortable with losing some tank. |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:21:00 -
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bucktooth wrote:
Sure you could fleet up to kill this one frigate but it would just fraction the already small profits, for a smaller chance of losing your ship.
All in all I think that sticking to normal level 4s is more profitable and far less risky.
You dont get it, they are not meant to be done by fleets with buddys, but with alts. Prepare for some new cruiser and battleship missions that will be based on similar mechanics in future, eventually completely replacing normal l4s and forcing solo missionrunners to get alts if they want to keep their isk/h.
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Posted - 2014.08.31 13:11:00 -
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Ravay Kanjus wrote:So yeah, again, what kind of ehp/s and dps do you need to dish out to do these?
Generally you need around 200dps to kill them (depending on damage type you are dealing) and 200-280 rat specific tank to fully tank them.
Double web and double rigor hawk can easily kill serpentis burner with 211 kin dps (cn rockets, not rage) and easily tank him with medium booster + kin resistance amplifier.
Triple web and double rigor vengeance can easily kill angel burner with 200 em dps and tank it with small rep + expl hardener.
Sansha is the weakest imo and 200 dps scorch tank + 180 em/th dps is enough, maybe with some overheating. Not sure if cruor will be able to get into conflag range.
Dato Koppla wrote:
How important are teh navy webs against the Blood and Sansha burners? Would OH meta 4 web suffice?
Quite important. Sansha burner orbits at 15-16km, so if you mess up and dont land web in the beggining, you will die without faction web. And against blood burner you need to keep range at around 12k for a while (4-5min) and if your web burns out, you are dead. |
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