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Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.09 21:49:40 -
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Something is sketchy after March 9 Patch:
I've killed dramiel burner dozens of times with this semi-shiney jag fit:
[Jaguar, burner dramiel]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Energy Nosferatu II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
With Geno's and Cap Hardwiring's it's stable with everything running.
After today's patch I changed the fit to:
[Jaguar, dram burner]
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Energy Nosferatu II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
The only changes are the DCU and the webbers (which should use LESS cap than other webbers prepatch). My cap is dry after barely a minute. and I have to go into emergency mode... just cycling booster and NOS while dropping a depot to refit WCS and evac. I also changed back to the first fit and tried that just to eliminate webber cap usage as the problem.
Not sure what's going on here, any suggestions?
Thanks!
[edit] I'm in the same clone, and a quick check against fitting window reveals that my implants are being applied properly. NPC's are getting cap warfare resistance or something? I'm at a loss really. |
Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.09 22:28:37 -
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Yeah, I do kill slower because of the 60>55 % nerf, but that doesn't explain why I'm running out of cap. The first thing I did with that fit (many months ago) was:
*Ran it with two WCS in place of the gyros.
*Keep at range 1km with AB/webs/booster/NOS running for ~10min.
*Make sure cap & tank was sufficient in the event of something going horribly wrong (and it went horribly wrong today so I'm glad i did that testing now!)
*It not longer is, even though it should be even more stable than before the patch.
Just tried it again with 3 x 55% webs but can't keep angular down so I guess it's time to do prop jamming IV.. but not attempting again until this cap mystery is figured out.
Thanks for reply! |
Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.09 23:02:29 -
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Just tested fit a couple times on a belt rat:
[Jaguar, dram burner]
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Energy Nosferatu II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Fitting window shows cap depletion after 1m15s (w/o NOS). I ran AB/webs/booster/NOS on belt rat twice and both times booster ran out of cap after ~1m20s.
... which is strange because the first attempt on dramiel the NOS was definitely working (just worse than prepatch) as i tanked it for about 5 minutes (after refitting WCS) with just booster/NOS running while typing here and monitoring cap. Without NOS running the shield booster drains cap dry in ~3min.
Something is definitely wacky with NOS and/or cap warfare resistance or npc cap pools or i don't even whatever. |
Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.09 23:20:59 -
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Generally just shy of 2min, only 200dps on that jag. I also rely on NOS for worm and cruor burners so this is a bit of a setback for me.
I prefer fits that don't need cap boosters, heating, stuff like that cause I'm bad @ spaceships :( |
Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.10 00:45:36 -
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Thanks a bunch, thought I might have been missing something obvious. Will wait and see before running any more NOS fits, cheers. |
Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.10 04:03:58 -
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NOS is ineffective vs Cruor burner also. On the bright side the X5 Enduring Web uses less than 2 cap per cycle so doesn't even need NOS anymore, but it [NOS] was definitely not doing anything that time around.
Pre-patch I would always see double figures, 15 or so cap before neut zero'd me out. Post patch I never saw more than 10 cap.
[Jaguar, Cruor Burner]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Mark I Compact Shield Power Relay
Mark I Compact Shield Power Relay
Gistum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender
EM Ward Amplifier II
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Core Defense Field Purger II
Small Core Defense Field Purger II |
Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.11 21:47:34 -
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Thanks for looking into this :)
I ran six quick tests today on tranq with the Jag fit posted below. I just warped to a belt rat, waited a couple ticks for 100% cap, and then tested time to cap depletion:
NOS + AB + WEBS + BOOSTER = 1m28, 1m30s (activated NOS at start with 100% cap)
NOS + AB + WEBS + BOOSTER = 1m30s, 1m32s (activated NOS at 50% cap)
AB + WEBS + BOOSTER = 1m18s, 1m21s
Fitting window predicts cap depletion after 1m15s, not acounting for NOS. It would appear NOS is working, but nowhere near as well as it should be. Then again these numbers are arguably within margin of error so...
If I get the Cruor burner again will do some more testing.
[Jaguar, dram burner]
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Energy Nosferatu II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Republic Fleet EMP S x4351
Nanite Repair Paste x60
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Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.15 20:28:18 -
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If NoS is broken there won't be any difference between two current fits.
A small T2 NoS at optimal should provide 4GJ/s cap recharge. It isn't. Not even 0.5GJ/s. AKA broken.
And 'negative difference in cap usage'? Doesn't even sound like he/she was testing NOS. |
Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.17 17:30:05 -
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Still no Cruor burner, but I did some testing on Ashimmu burner today, and medium NOS are definitely working as intended.
I then hopped in the test Jag and found a belt rat... the exact same results as posted previously, small NOS are either completely broken or working at less than 10% rated effectiveness.
The Jag tests were conducted within optimal, the Gila vs Ashimmu test was within 500m of optimal.
Murphy please give me a Cruor burner 
FWIW:
Without NOS the Gila hit 16-17GJ peak before neut cycle finished.
With NOS it was ~70 or ~110GJ depending on if one or two NOS cycles finished.
[Gila, burner ashimmu]
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum B-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
EM Ward Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Corpum C-Type Medium Energy Nosferatu
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
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Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.17 21:32:58 -
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I tested out the same medium NOS on a belt rat and it wasn't working.
At this point the only explanation that makes sense is that some (but not all) burners have been given a NOS immune flag and/or cap warfare resistance that wasn't there previous to March update. Goodness knows what other entities have have changed also.
Is this intended?
I have a NOS fit succubus that I use for worm burner, but haven't tried it out since this fiasco started. Will test it next time I see one, of course now it'll join the cruor in the list of burners I've jinxed myself out of...
Also, will bug report it. |
Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.20 16:10:47 -
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Finally got another Cruor burner, just let it orbit me at ~3200m for about 5 minutes with web/guns inactive.
No NOS: cap maxed out at 6-7GJ every 5 sec neut cycle.
With small compact NOS: cap maxed out at 8-12GJ every neut cycle (depending on 1 or 2 NOS cycles). 4000m optimal.
So it's working, but only just... and nowhere near as well as it was before March patch. Appears to only drain 1-2GJ per cycle instead of the pre-patch 9GJ.
Also, I refit the NOS for a rocket launcher and was still able to keep an Enduring webber running.
At this point I think I'll just train hybrids and buy some daredevils.
Test fit:
[Jaguar, Cruor Burner]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Mark I Compact Shield Power Relay
Mark I Compact Shield Power Relay
Gistum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender
EM Ward Amplifier II
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu
200mm AutoCannon II
Small Core Defense Field Purger II
Small Core Defense Field Purger II
Republic Fleet Fusion S x4476
Nanite Repair Paste x50
Caldari Navy Nova Rocket x393
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Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.30 01:32:27 -
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Fair warning something is up with Worm burner. It's actually easier now, missiles volleying my fit (90kin resist) for 170dmg whereas prepatch they would do ~250dmg
Maybe something to do with the changes to missile damage equation that went live yesterday.
If it gets fixed and you've balanced your fit around current gimped damage output, might be expensive. |
Toddle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.30 22:01:50 -
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Just did it again and volleys 30 (approach) to max 177 dmg depending on my velocity. Average was about 140dmg.
I've done worm burner about 30 times with this fit, once i get it tackled volleys would do ~250dmg pre 118.6 patch.
Much, much, much more sensitive to velocity it would seem.
[Succubus, Succubus]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil
Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Small Focused Pulse Laser II
[Empty High slot]
Small Focused Pulse Laser II
Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Nanite Repair Paste x60
Conflagration S x2
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x2 |
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