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Dr Bluntman
Automata Labs
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:14:00 -
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I introduced several friends to EVE Online. They loved it at first. They loved it up until they realized the game doesn't spoonfeed you things to do, and then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.
Pretty sad. I need friends that know how to HTFU.
How the hell do you get people to play this game and stick with it? Not being elitist, but this game seems to only appeal to people who enjoy carving their own path.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4441
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:15:00 -
[2] - Quote
You try smarter friends.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4208
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:15:00 -
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Dr Bluntman wrote:I introduced several friends to EVE Online. They loved it at first. They loved it up until they realized the game doesn't spoonfeed you things to do, and then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.
Pretty sad. I need friends that know how to HTFU.
How the hell do you get people to play this game and stick with it? Not being elitist, but this game seems to only appeal to people who enjoy carving their own path.
Yes, exactly....what's the problem again?
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
269
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:17:00 -
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Who you have for friends says a lot about you too you know.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4277
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:18:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dr Bluntman wrote:I introduced several friends to EVE Online. They loved it at first. They loved it up until they realized the game doesn't spoonfeed you things to do, and then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.
Pretty sad. I need friends that know how to HTFU.
How the hell do you get people to play this game and stick with it? Not being elitist, but this game seems to only appeal to people who enjoy carving their own path.
Yes, exactly....what's the problem again?
Well, apparently this is somehow an 'Eve is dying' thread. |
Dr Bluntman
Automata Labs
9
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:19:00 -
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Not an EVE Is dying thread at all. Reading comprehension people! |
Paranoid Loyd
1531
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:25:00 -
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Have them try Sativa instead of Indica
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4209
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:26:00 -
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Dr Bluntman wrote:Not an EVE Is dying thread at all. Reading comprehension people!
I got it don't worry,
Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied.
Don't take it to hard (lol).
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Oliver Delorean
Dark Fenix Rising
The Volition Cult
1
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:27:00 -
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I know what u mean, I also don't understand people who play WoW, but people like different games, different beer, different everything...
Best solution is: Find some friends in the game!
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Raviel Oxidans
Numeri Praetoria
1
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:28:00 -
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My friends barely play candy crush and all that crap, at least my brother plays Eve when i introduced him into the game.
I got into this game because the pvp, maybe you should look for people with interests focused into the diferent aspects of this game. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
914
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:33:00 -
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Remind them that they havent had any new raids in nearly a year now. |
Metalcali
17
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:35:00 -
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Mine left due to the skill training and combat not being as simple. They comment how they hate that skills take months to train or how you can't get kills without blobbing people. There is one that loves to complain saying you will never kill another player who has X amount of sp because they will be better than you from the start. When it comes to enjoying EVE, I'm sadly alone in that no other friends play, corp wise I'm quite happy. |
De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
2941
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:37:00 -
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Tell them we have purple gear too, and if they work really hard, once they have it, they will be able to do the end game content against the Goons.
De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7764
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:42:00 -
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Dr Bluntman wrote:I introduced several friends to EVE Online. They loved it at first. They loved it up until they realized the game doesn't spoonfeed you things to do, and then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.
Pretty sad. I need friends that know how to HTFU.
How the hell do you get people to play this game and stick with it? Not being elitist, but this game seems to only appeal to people who enjoy carving their own path.
The bolded sentence is two things:
#1. The Truth
#2. The reason why you need better friends
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4277
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:44:00 -
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Dr Bluntman wrote:Not an EVE Is dying thread at all. Reading comprehension people!
Reminds me... We need a sarcasm emoticon. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4211
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Posted - 2014.08.25 17:53:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Dr Bluntman wrote:Not an EVE Is dying thread at all. Reading comprehension people! Reminds me... We need a sarcasm emoticon.
We need a sarcasm font in all honesty.
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Xercodo
Vector Galactic
The Big Dirty
3738
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:15:00 -
[17] - Quote
I say simply give them the lore and then point them in a direction relevant to their interests.
Also having a proper teacher to help them learn stuff helps keep it from being too overwhelming.
The Drake is a Lie |
Charax Bouclier
Emerald Drama Theatrics
8
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:20:00 -
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Honestly, I like that EVE doesn't appeal to the general sludge. OK, so I won't be playing with most of my WoW internet friends anymore. Oh well. I'm sure there are a bunch of fine people to meet here.
As a new player, I am happy to set my modest goals for myself as opposed to worrying about where the eight year vets are at. Maybe I am not maximizing my ISK/hour or fitting my ships perfectly at the get go. Who cares. It's fun to gradually get more knowledgable and better at something.
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Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
187
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:20:00 -
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Dr Bluntman wrote: then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.
The (not so) small set of instances which WoW players run every day beats EVE's boring mission grind hands-down. WoW PVE is a mile ahead of EVE's.
This is a sandbox game. There's nothing wrong with wanting a game with more direction or a clearer path of progression. There's nothing wrong with not liking a game and it certainly doesn't make you "stupid". |
Spurty
V0LTA
Triumvirate.
1383
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:24:00 -
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You're in the correct place to upgrade your friends.
"Birds of a feather, flock together"
or just "Wallys of this World, Play Warcraft in that World"
*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1037
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:25:00 -
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Dr Bluntman wrote:They loved it up until they realized the game doesn't spoonfeed you things to do, and then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.
Pretty sad. I need friends that know how to HTFU. Maybe you need to realise that not everyone wants the same things out of games?
[witty image] - Stream |
Miomeifeng Alduin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:26:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:Dr Bluntman wrote: then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.
The (not so) small set of instances which WoW players run every day beats EVE's boring mission grind hands-down. WoW PVE is a mile ahead of EVE's. This is a sandbox game. There's nothing wrong with wanting a game with more direction or a clearer path of progression. There's nothing wrong with not liking a game and it certainly doesn't make you "stupid".
This can't be emphasised enough. Just because someone has a different idea for a hobby, doesn't make them stupid or lazy or anything like that. It's a game, a hobby, which you use to relax. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7769
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:27:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:Dr Bluntman wrote: then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.
The (not so) small set of instances which WoW players run every day beats EVE's boring mission grind hands-down. WoW PVE is a mile ahead of EVE's. This is a sandbox game. There's nothing wrong with wanting a game with more direction or a clearer path of progression. There's nothing wrong with not liking a game and it certainly doesn't make you "stupid".
It does if you keep paying for something that doesn't have what you like.
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Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1298
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:29:00 -
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If they can't play without being spoonfed, you either have to let them go or spoonfeed them yourself.
If you had a clear goal in mind for what you wanted to achieve with your corp and if you gave your friends specific tasks you wanted them to complete over days/weeks/months, you'd probably still be playing with them.
My lord. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
7947
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:33:00 -
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Gee, I wonder if these people know what their "friend" thinks about them..
~ we're flying high, we're watching the world pass us by ~
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Paranoid Loyd
1534
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:37:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:
Gee, I wonder if these people know what their "friend" thinks about them..
Forest Gump wrote:
Stupid is as stupid does
I have plenty of people I consider friends that are stupid (They earn this designation by constantly doing stupid things) but that doesn't mean they are not my friends.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
382
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:38:00 -
[27] - Quote
Didn't want those friends anyway
We are all you need |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury
Tactical Narcotics Team
461
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:51:00 -
[28] - Quote
Nothing elitist about it. Just different gameplay desires.
I have a lot of smart gamer friends who could "handle" EVE, they just don't feel like "handling" a game. EVE does have to be managed to a larger degree than most games and some perfectly capable people just do not feel like doing with their limited game time.
Someone here on the forums one called EVE not just a game, but a hobby, I think that is a pretty accurate way to view EVE in many regards. It is a good way to explain the game to people, and a good way to understand why some do not want to devote time to it.
With that being said... yes, it does require a certain level of... ability.
Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
657
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:55:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:Dr Bluntman wrote: then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.
The (not so) small set of instances which WoW players run every day beats EVE's boring mission grind hands-down. WoW PVE is a mile ahead of EVE's.
But in EVE someone can aggress you in that warm feel good PVE bubble at any time. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5360
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:57:00 -
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I wonder if the ratio of autistic to neurotypical gamers could be matched up to people who play Eve and those who "went back" to WoW?
The spectrum has a wide range though, and I would even wonder if say someone who only scores high 20s on the Aspergers test (not as typical as your average sponge you find in a sports bar) is a casual gamer compared to a total 50 score player who min-maxes 10 hours a day and goes into explosive frothing rage if they are disturbed.
Yeah I know these would be hard questions about the player base, and fraught with potential for trolling and such, but I seriously wonder this as often the "kind of player" we deal with often is a subject on these forums. In a solipsistic manner we tend to think that everything we are after in the game personally is the same thing that everybody else is after but in practice the results are not what we expect. Surely there's a conflict between those who think "PVP game means blow sh!t up" versus those who go total blogarrhea mode if some module gets nerfed and their stats/ISK drop one percent.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Tyrone Arran
The Forgotten Order
15
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Posted - 2014.08.25 19:08:00 -
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While the game is complex, there are still plenty of stupid people that play it. Otherwise, dumb scams like isk-doubling would not be as profitable as they are. Of coarse this says something about greed too.
It really comes down to your friends' interests. Some will never like Eve for its Sandbox style. Others need to have a little bit of help before they get hooked. Often this can be helped greatly by finding a corp that matches their interests.
If they leave because they think they can not 'catch up' to someone who as played for years, then they need to be educated as to why that is not the case. Only so much SP is used to fly a particular ship, and often the outcome of a battle is the pilots' knowledge of the ships they are flying and the ships they are engaging. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
7955
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Posted - 2014.08.25 20:10:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Gee, I wonder if these people know what their "friend" thinks about them.. Forrest Gump wrote:Stupid is as stupid does I have plenty of people I consider friends that are stupid (they earn this designation by constantly doing stupid things) but that doesn't mean they are not my friends.
Bah, I feel this way too. Why do you people make me say not-nice things??
~ we're flying high, we're watching the world pass us by ~
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
957
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Posted - 2014.08.25 20:11:00 -
[33] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Dr Bluntman wrote:Not an EVE Is dying thread at all. Reading comprehension people! Reminds me... We need a sarcasm emoticon. We need a sarcasm font in all honesty. 
Isn't that called comic sans?
New player resources:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information
http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP
http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Herzyr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.08.25 20:37:00 -
[34] - Quote
Oh this thread, it reminds me so much of myself. I sometimes think I am too stupid to play EvE but then I realized playing other themepark mmos makes me feel even more stupid. Is it the community or the mechanics?
I think this is around the 3rd time I've quit EvE but I've come back again for a 3rd time.... Hope it's worth it again... The MMO market is getting very very stale.. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3126
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Posted - 2014.08.25 21:09:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:If they can't play without being spoonfed, you either have to let them go or spoonfeed them yourself.
If you had a clear goal in mind for what you wanted to achieve with your corp and if you gave your friends specific tasks you wanted them to complete over days/weeks/months, you'd probably still be playing with them.
Quoted for the mother ******* truth. To all those that said you need to get knew friends; that almost sound like something that would come from someone with little to no friends. That is not a purposeful slight even though it sounds exactly like one, just saying what it sounds like. Not all people are created with the same tastes or interests. Diversity is what makes a circle of friends the most enjoyable, imho. We can not really knock someone, that wants the ultimate mindlessness for their recreational activity, for playing WoW. You can not really go wrong with WoW if that is what one is looking for. It is the king of that empire as far as many are concerned.
It is ultimately the OP's lack of vision that did not keep his friends around. If he is a good friend I am sure he could cox at least one of them back if he is set to keep them intrigued. |
Xercodo
Vector Galactic
The Big Dirty
3738
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Posted - 2014.08.25 21:13:00 -
[36] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Gee, I wonder if these people know what their "friend" thinks about them.. Forrest Gump wrote:Stupid is as stupid does I have plenty of people I consider friends that are stupid (they earn this designation by constantly doing stupid things) but that doesn't mean they are not my friends. Bah, I feel this way too. Why do you people make me say not-nice things??
Do I need to do some nice things to you so that you have nice things to say about me?
The Drake is a Lie |
Miomeifeng Alduin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.08.25 21:26:00 -
[37] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:Pix Severus wrote:If they can't play without being spoonfed, you either have to let them go or spoonfeed them yourself.
If you had a clear goal in mind for what you wanted to achieve with your corp and if you gave your friends specific tasks you wanted them to complete over days/weeks/months, you'd probably still be playing with them. Quoted for the mother ******* truth. To all those that said the OP needed to get knew friends; that almost sounds like something that would come from someone with little to no friends. That is not a purposeful slight, even though it sounds exactly like one, just saying what it sounds like. Not all people are created with the same tastes or interests. Diversity is what makes a circle of friends the most enjoyable, imho. We can not really knock someone, that wants the ultimate mindlessness for their recreational activity, for playing WoW. You can not really go wrong with WoW if that is what one is looking for. It is the king of that empire as far as many are concerned. It is ultimately the OP's lack of vision that did not keep his friends around. If he is a good friend I am sure he could coax at least one of them back, if he is set to keep them intrigued.
If you need to coax someone back constantly, and keep him intrigued, and do things constantly for the person not to leave the game, there is another problem. You might need to just accept that people have different intrests and respect eachother's intrests that some games aren't for them, just like others aren't for you.
While i like playing with friends, if i'd have to constantly keep them occupied in a game i'd feel i wasn't playing a game but creating a game for them. This would seriously cut into my own relaxation (the reason i play games :p). |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1477
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:25:00 -
[38] - Quote
Your friends are the smart ones.  |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
807
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:34:00 -
[39] - Quote
You aren't truly an EvE player until you have to dumb yourself down when you log off. Assuming you want any kind of social life.
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Vyl Vit
683
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:41:00 -
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We have a lot of players with YEARS of experience that are too stupid to play this game. 
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
10158
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:42:53 -
[41] - Quote
So, this is a slight diversion, but it is for a good reason, so please read on.
I had a friend sign up for EVE Online. He was pretty good at it, he loved PvP and was great at PvE, he was enthused about basically the entire game. Then he discovered the market.
He was completely enthralled. He couldn't believe that any videogame had a living, breathing and most importantly functioning economy like this.
And then his dad found out about it.
Now, to explain this, this guy was Asian, and an economic studies major. His dad was about as "Asian Dad" as you could be. We both expected his dad to come down against it, tell him to play piano until his fingers bled or else he was disgracing the family name, whatever.
But the dad loved the idea. Which was bad news.
"This good practice for you to be stockbroker! You do this 3 hours a day, until no one else have more money than you!" (in basically Khan's voice from King of the Hill)
Which, of course, regardless of how good a newbie is at the market, is pretty much impossible.
Nervous breakdown in less than a month, all four accounts closed.
TL;DR: Guy's Asian Dad makes him play EVE until he cracks.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Dr Bluntman
Automata Labs
14
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:44:30 -
[42] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, this is a slight diversion, but it is for a good reason, so please read on.
I had a friend sign up for EVE Online. He was pretty good at it, he loved PvP and was great at PvE, he was enthused about basically the entire game. Then he discovered the market.
He was completely enthralled. He couldn't believe that any videogame had a living, breathing and most importantly functioning economy like this.
And then his dad found out about it.
Now, to explain this, this guy was Asian, and an economic studies major. His dad was about as "Asian Dad" as you could be. We both expected his dad to come down against it, tell him to play piano until his fingers bled or else he was disgracing the family name, whatever.
But the dad loved the idea. Which was bad news.
"This good practice for you to be stockbroker! You do this 3 hours a day, until no one else have more money than you!" (in basically Khan's voice from King of the Hill)
Which, of course, regardless of how good a newbie is at the market, is pretty much impossible.
Nervous breakdown in less than a month, all four accounts closed.
TL;DR: Guy's Asian Dad makes him play EVE until he cracks.
Best story ever
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
10291
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:45:08 -
[43] - Quote
Sounds like it's time to steal someone's line:
"Sorry, I had to go see about a girl." |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2520
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:47:52 -
[44] - Quote
This thread has been moved to Out of Pod Experience.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
10291
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:59:32 -
[45] - Quote
ISD Ezwal wrote:This thread has been moved to Out of Pod Experience.
I was wondering how I started in GD and ended in OOPE.  |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
366
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Posted - 2014.08.26 00:16:19 -
[46] - Quote
Dr Bluntman wrote:and then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.
To be honest, I spend all my time in EVE flying my griffon Gila and repeating the same dungeon DED instances over and over again.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
800
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Posted - 2014.08.26 03:15:55 -
[47] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
TL;DR: Guy's Asian Dad makes him play EVE until he cracks.
I nominate this for best story in Eve. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5576
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Posted - 2014.08.26 06:17:32 -
[48] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, this is a slight diversion, but it is for a good reason, so please read on.
I had a friend sign up for EVE Online. He was pretty good at it, he loved PvP and was great at PvE, he was enthused about basically the entire game. Then he discovered the market.
He was completely enthralled. He couldn't believe that any videogame had a living, breathing and most importantly functioning economy like this.
And then his dad found out about it.
Now, to explain this, this guy was Asian, and an economic studies major. His dad was about as "Asian Dad" as you could be. We both expected his dad to come down against it, tell him to play piano until his fingers bled or else he was disgracing the family name, whatever.
But the dad loved the idea. Which was bad news.
"This good practice for you to be stockbroker! You do this 3 hours a day, until no one else have more money than you!" (in basically Khan's voice from King of the Hill)
Which, of course, regardless of how good a newbie is at the market, is pretty much impossible.
Nervous breakdown in less than a month, all four accounts closed.
TL;DR: Guy's Asian Dad makes him play EVE until he cracks.
Why, this is one of the best posts I have read in years. F**king years, man.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1565
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Posted - 2014.08.26 07:59:41 -
[49] - Quote
Thanks for the laugh Kaarous! |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3129
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Posted - 2014.08.26 11:32:00 -
[50] - Quote
Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Pix Severus wrote:If they can't play without being spoonfed, you either have to let them go or spoonfeed them yourself.
If you had a clear goal in mind for what you wanted to achieve with your corp and if you gave your friends specific tasks you wanted them to complete over days/weeks/months, you'd probably still be playing with them. Quoted for the mother ******* truth. To all those that said the OP needed to get knew friends; that almost sounds like something that would come from someone with little to no friends. That is not a purposeful slight, even though it sounds exactly like one, just saying what it sounds like. Not all people are created with the same tastes or interests. Diversity is what makes a circle of friends the most enjoyable, imho. We can not really knock someone, that wants the ultimate mindlessness for their recreational activity, for playing WoW. You can not really go wrong with WoW if that is what one is looking for. It is the king of that empire as far as many are concerned. It is ultimately the OP's lack of vision that did not keep his friends around. If he is a good friend I am sure he could coax at least one of them back, if he is set to keep them intrigued. If you need to coax someone back constantly, and keep him intrigued, and do things constantly for the person not to leave the game, there is another problem. You might need to just accept that people have different intrests and respect eachother's intrests that some games aren't for them, just like others aren't for you. While i like playing with friends, if i'd have to constantly keep them occupied in a game i'd feel i wasn't playing a game but creating a game for them. This would seriously cut into my own relaxation (the reason i play games :p).
I completely agree! Very few enjoy baby sitting during their recreation time, but some obviously do....*looks at the CEO and Alliance leaders of the largest Corps and Alliances out there*.
That being said it is blatantly clear that if you are going to ask friends to come play a game, especially one as deep as EvE, then you should be prepared to try and help keep them in game and be prepared for attrition. The OP made it sound like they lost interest very quickly as they were not grasping game mechanics, not that they could not like the game if they were nurtured properly. He clearly lays the blame for not getting the game on his friends while taking no personal responsibility for not intriguing them more and helping them find their way. |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
Reverberation Project
959
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Posted - 2014.08.27 01:47:45 -
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I still keep in touch with some of my friends from other games over the years. One day I talked an old buddy of mine into trying Eve....
I literally tried talking him through the tutorial on comms.... and he was completely lost, couldnt get it, couldnt even accurately describe what he was seeing or doing or what the instructions had been.
I was pretty disappointed. He hadnt seemed that dense when we played "this one other" game together. Havent had an actual live conversation with him since then. I assume he's embarrassed.
\m/ O.o \m/
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
382
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Posted - 2014.08.27 15:48:06 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Who you have for friends says a lot about you too you know.
If all my friends are eve-born, what does that say about me?
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Angelique Duchemin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
907
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Posted - 2014.08.27 16:42:39 -
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People aren't too stupid for Eve. Eve is too badly developed to draw in people and keep them until they get to the fun parts.
You never blame the audience.
The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
172
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:01:13 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:People aren't too stupid for Eve. Eve is too badly developed to draw in people and keep them until they get to the fun parts.
You never blame the audience.
Badly developed is hardly how I would describe it. "Developed as to not cater to stupidity" is much more fitting. And people are too stupid for Eve. They cannot grasp the enormity of the game. It's it's own world.
For me, the fun parts were there as soon as I started my first trial. The thing I love about Eve is you can just start a trial, and go fly around in space and do stuff. You can do anything you want. The atmosphere of the game is one of the most amazing experiences in my life.
Is there any way to unswallow my pride? Can I fuck myself down?
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Angelique Duchemin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
907
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:04:24 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:People aren't too stupid for Eve. Eve is too badly developed to draw in people and keep them until they get to the fun parts.
You never blame the audience. Badly developed is hardly how I would describe it. "Developed as to not cater to stupidity" is much more fitting. And people are too stupid for Eve. They cannot grasp the enormity of the game. It's it's own world. For me, the fun parts were there as soon as I started my first trial. The thing I love about Eve is you can just start a trial, and go fly around in space and do stuff. You can do anything you want. The atmosphere of the game is one of the most amazing experiences in my life.
It's entertainment. Not some form of higher learning.
A game that is too "smart" to be able to draw peoples interest is a badly designed game.
CCPs intent with Eve is to draw as many users as they can and hold on to them
You can't make a moral of highground of a game that wants to attract at many users as possible while at the same time failing to hold 95% of them.
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
172
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:33:36 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:
It's entertainment. Not some form of higher learning.
A game that is too "smart" to be able to draw peoples interest is a badly designed game.
CCPs intent with Eve is to draw as many users as they can and hold on to them
You can't make a moral of highground of a game that wants to attract at many users as possible while at the same time failing to hold 95% of them.
I am under the impression that CCP's intent with Eve is to make a really great game. At least, that's how it started. That's how I would look at it anyway, even from a business perspective. If you keep doing great things for your games people will keep playing them.
Entertainment is a form of higher learning. Why wouldn't it be?
Eve is not a game that is too smart to be able to draw peoples' interest. As far as I know, Eve is one of the most successful and consistent MMOs in the world. In my opinion it's the best MMO. Plenty of people are interested in it. So it is definitely not badly designed, and like I said Eve does not cater to a huge percentage of gamers, and that's because of their stupidity. Actually, I guess in a lot of cases it has to due with age, too. A lot of young kids play games like WoW and stuff like that, so that is a big factor, too. Not just stupidity, but umm, inexperience, or immaturity. I think that's pretty well figured out among most of the Eve community, to be honest, though I can't be too sure.
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3154
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:17:41 -
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As I said earlier. Many people are plenty smart to get the basics but are not interested in thinking as much as is required to significantly advance in EvE. That is neither good nor bad game design, it is a design that targets a specific type of player of which many fall into the same above category as being smart enough but not wanting to employ that much energy to a game.
I myself do not and have not applied the energy in the game to become a good pvper. Knowing all the skills, all the ships, all the tactics, all the counters....but I am still able to find fun in the game as I look and dig for fun, good and/or lucrative activities. Most people do not want to look and dig for their fun when they are paying to enter a world for easy entertainment. That is not really a failure on either party. Granted, I am am not saying that their are not morons out there that could not even grasp the most basic functions of EvE....like finding the undock button |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1351
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:37:42 -
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From my own experience here, eve is extremely niche, even beyond other niche games.
The type of person that will enjoy this game needs to derive satisfaction from a very thorough and highly personalized set of variables, that will NEVER appeal to mass media mainstream gamers, mainly localized quest hubs, easy to spot quest locators, tangible rewards in several degrees of colors, interesting/funny backstory of the world, format of "quest" delivery, visual candy in the form of explosions of rainbows and a degrad+¬ palette easily applied to avatar clothes/weapons and assorted knicknacks like pets , of which EVE HAS NONE, despite some attempts.
Speaking honestly I don-¦t think it-¦s a matter of intelligence, but more of a deep seated neurosis of some sort on which rewards are gained via emotional support and bonding with others that will at worst decry your attempts only because they didn-¦t think of it first ... and at best entice you to generate "content" that gives food and quells the specific needs of the sub-group you adhere to in the in-game strata that inevitably leaks into the "real world".
EVE is in short, a medieval clan/house/tribe simulator on which specific hierarchies of dominion and lordship are acknowledged and respected in the hopes of you either rising in the ladder of your own commune or destroy them utterly for your own gain.
Feudal Intrigues are common, even expected of any serious power player, and even the devs themselves WANT the edges of space to be the Focus Point of their portrayal of the game. This further isolates the game itself as the deeper you go into the well of relationships, only real power-mongers and those in the know for a variety of reasons "get eve".
This leaves a huge chunk of the player base alienated, as they are constantly being assailed by information and disinformation of things that only affect them in sometimes highly veiled forms like mineral or module prices, and usually end up being things of no real importance to them (they sometimes can-¦t even acknowledge these things affect them in the least)
So they end up then, forming the second sub core of the game besides the power mongers and their retinues, the isolated clans/tribes that try to eke out a living of sorts in the wastelands or in claimed territories, each of these with customs as common and bizarre as any other cultural group counterpart in the real world. This alone, is true for many games, and eve due to the way it is shown distills this idea into an amazing hodgepodge of ethnic mixes both culturally and politically.
All regular players are accustomed to a very plain and simple form of "belonging" in most modern mmos, dubbed "themepark" because the effort you place into it is minimal as you practically "spectate" and have grown accustomed to it.
They just want to enjoy the ride so to speak, go here, kill this, get this , rinse and repeat. It is a simple formula, it works and trust me, I have met highly intelligent people that enjoy this for the sheer simplicity, which doesn-¦t make them less intelligent, they just want to enjoy the ride, since they derive fun from many other outlets.
So to go back to my point, it-¦s is simply a matter of establishing very real connections with others and here lies the success of certain corps and alliances to others.
It-¦s a well know topic of discussion that this is a key and vital point for eve longevity (besides sunk costs fallacies) , because the appeal of the game increases as your sense of responsibility to your corpmates is increased and you actually feel rewarded (emotionally) by this act and like many others have jokingly or not explained elsewhere, the need to belong is exploited even against your interests.
This is my own opinion, been here for a while to think in deep about this and it-¦s just the tip of the iceberg of this marvelous game of Neurotic Appeals ,and for me, it has never been about intelligence (the raw concept/construct) but more about social bonds.
Many can argue that this can apply to other MMO-¦s, and in a sense yes, but here, where the embellishments of the ride are so barren, it-¦s plainly obvious.
Marvelous game, hotbed for many many studies, I could literally spend my whole life just trying to unravel some of the webs of this game as it pertains to social interaction, Alienation (M. Seeman concept) and Anomie , If it were up to me I would try to spend hardcore college funding just studying Anomie in this environment, there-¦s years of hard data waiting to be made into papers here, i could even make a PhD Thesis out of this game-¦s Anomie variables, and that without taking into consideration demographic data applied to Social Trending.
Ahhh, love this game!
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3154
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Posted - 2014.08.28 12:12:04 -
[59] - Quote
As always you have a very enlightened and interesting take on the topic at hand Brujo.
I would also like to add that it has been a joy to watch your English grow and evolve since sometime in 2007. I would not even know you were not a native English speaker now a days if I had not been reading your stuff for 6 years. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1351
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Posted - 2014.10.03 17:55:14 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:As always you have a very enlightened and interesting take on the topic at hand Brujo.
I would also like to add that it has been a joy to watch your English grow and evolve since sometime in 2007. I would not even know you were not a native English speaker now a days if I had not been reading your stuff for 6 years.
Thanks Slade, I do enjoy reading your posts and experiences on issues discussed here throughout the years too
I think what I also enjoy about EVE is the way it forces me to think in English just to understand what is going on! So much stuff happening here all the time!
o7
Cheers!
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