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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2003.10.06 07:28:00 -
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Ok you'll have to forgive if I'm covering old ground but I and I imagine others could use some clarification...
Having read the News on the BP original I'm assuming it was given in return for a sucessful high ranking agent mission. However what I'm trying to find out is does that mean that they will no longer be released onto the market? I know they are listed there but is that just for the purposes of people placing sell orders or are they still planned for release in a (near) future patch?
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Charlemagne
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Posted - 2003.10.06 07:30:00 -
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CCP has said they will not be releasing any tech above level 1 to the market as NPC supplied items in the sense that there will be NPCs selling the blueprints or items.
Tech 2 and above will all be player-only items acquired through agent missions or other types of "special event" occurrences.
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DAViiD
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Posted - 2003.10.06 07:53:00 -
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Hola!
I think that kind of introduction of new stuff is total rubish as it doesn't offer same circumstances for all players.
Regards, D.
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Kesh Inehre
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Posted - 2003.10.06 08:05:00 -
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Anybody can do agent missions...
-Kesh
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.10.06 08:06:00 -
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I just wonder what lvl agent those 300 was with. could see lvl 2
but considering when lvl 2 was added and that DAMN wait timer bs, I dont see anyone haveing 300 missions with a lvl 3 yet
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2003.10.06 08:07:00 -
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Tech 2 and above will all be player-only items acquired through agent missions or other types of "special event" occurrences.
Well that just stinks!
Special event occurrences is another way of saying 'only the larger corps will get Tech 2 or higher BP's so they can artificially inflate the price.
As for agent mission , yes I could do bucket loads of missions the time it's going to take me to get to the required level is not going to make it worth my while.
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.10.06 08:22:00 -
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no it doesnt stink YOUR JUST LAZY!! if you want higher tech put in the work or stfu no one get's something for nothing in this life ,unless ccp make a mistake 
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Kesh Inehre
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Posted - 2003.10.06 08:29:00 -
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As for agent mission , yes I could do bucket loads of missions the time it's going to take me to get to the required level is not going to make it worth my while.
Imagine of you get the first Mining Laser 3 BP...
-Kesh
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.06 08:55:00 -
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"As for agent mission , yes I could do bucket loads of missions the time it's going to take me to get to the required level is not going to make it worth my while."
... Well, if you'd rather spend that time earning enough money to afford getting that blueprint from someone who did bother to 'do bucket loads of missions'... i certainly won't wring your arm to change your mind? :s
(Techell paid something along the lines of 1.5-2 bil for their BP copy. With the agents handing out the blueprints now the prices will go down of course... but how far down is yet to be seen)
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Queen dark
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Posted - 2003.10.06 09:09:00 -
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what a pile of cow doodle.... sorry but it is. agent misions are single player mode of eve. i diddent join eve to do single player stuff. so aslong as the agents dont do CORP MISIONS i sure as hell wont sign in to do 1 single of em... its a shame that a complete corp cant be gathered around 1 agent mision now that would be cool and would defintly be more fun. atm we have a bunch of people doing misions for the good of the corp. but its a shame cause people arent gathered and are running stupid misions that a child of age 2 can do... and when u done 1 mil of those u gain a tech 2 bp ??? LOL i laugh at it mates. sorry but i do... i thought u all were multiplayer people i better change thoughts then.. LOL
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s0cks
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Posted - 2003.10.06 09:25:00 -
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What I find weird is that Empire space surely has plenty of research facilities (and a whole new research centre thats just been built), and yet tech lvl2 has come to us from Joves and from agent missions? Yet... you woulda thought the person who created this technology would sell it on to massive NPC chains for huge amounts of money.
And another thing, how is these pathetic NPC rats have all the decent tech. lvl1 items. How can a bunch of pirate drones get a mining laser 22.5% better then a whole empire. And to boot, we can't even reverse engineer these fantastic lvl1 items for our own BP's.
It bugs me how an item 22.5% beter sells for 40,000% more. And I also blame manufacturers, for their stupidity. Why are you selling ships for a pathetic amount of profit? I mean its gr8 you can buy a lvl3 cruiser for 5mill, but its ruining the economy - it only takes a week b4 a new player is in a cruiser, back in the day it would take people 2 or 3times longer then that (remember 13mill for a Moa?). If prices were back to the old norm. maybe people would fight more in frigates and cruisers rather then just mining all day and night for a batleship and then fighting rats with it in 0.2 space....
Sorry, it just makes me mad. And i'm sure it wasn't all manufacturers, its that just the one or two who suddenly decide to sell ships for next to nothing, and then everybody else has to follow.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.10.06 09:36:00 -
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SO far I have heard lots and lots and lots and LOTS of whining and flaming about how tech 2 is being introduced. Last time people whined that destroying the Jove ship and getting the Miner 2 bp was bad and that they should be given out randomly from pirate drops or agent missions.
Now they are being given out by agent missions people still complain.
What annoys me is that you complain but NEVER offer good alternatives to CCP. Perhaps if you took some of your time out from whining and actually thought about some solutions then you might achieve a bit more.
Personally i find the fact that someone has done 300 agent missions and received a BP completely fair. They worked hard for those missions and deserve their blueprint. Good Luck whoever you are. I hope you make a bloody fortune.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.06 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 06/10/2003 09:57:44
"What I find weird is that Empire space surely has plenty of research facilities (and a whole new research centre thats just been built), and yet tech lvl2 has come to us from Joves and from agent missions?"
... Uhmm, the Miner II copies were stolen by the Joves from the Crielere research centre or something equally far-fetched. And the agents are employees of the NPC corporations which own all these research facilities you mention, so it actually makes sense they have access to this new technology and can offer it as reward to those who's been running errands for their corporation long enough...
"Yet... you woulda thought the person who created this technology would sell it on to massive NPC chains for huge amounts of money."
Well, quite possible we'll see the actual tech.2 products --not BPs-- on the market sold by NPCs (and people will whine how this is a game where the players are supposed to run the economy and not the NPCs... etc and so on =)
"And another thing, how is these pathetic NPC rats have all the decent tech. lvl1 items. How can a bunch of pirate drones get a mining laser 22.5% better then a whole empire. And to boot, we can't even reverse engineer these fantastic lvl1 items for our own BP's."
I think the background story is, they salvage this technology from old bases on their territory (Jove and such) The reverse engineering is coming, but 'tis quite tricky thing to balance -- after all, having the ability to reverse engineer the NPC loot has the potential of simply killing the whole rat farmers profession. o.O;;
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s0cks
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Posted - 2003.10.06 10:12:00 -
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Good relpy j0se. I still think that a realistic company would produce miner2's and miner2 blueprints onto the market and make millions within a matter of hours.
It seems funny that the best prize in the game is a mining laser blueprint? in everyother game some1 would probably treasure a unique weapon blueprint many times more then a mining laser.. Another indication of the failing PvP aspect, and the increasing development of EVE: The Mining Genesis.
Please allow ore theifs to be shot at, that way carebears might then get a taste for PvP and sell those miner2's for some tachyon beams.
As for reverse engineering, you have a point about NPC rat hunters. Their loot would be in vein (not to say that you can't make a lot of cash from chain killing anyway...), but there would still be the added risk of the reverse engineering producing squat and leaving you with nothing.
I'm not bothered that people have gotten a Miner II blueprint, i don;t mine, so that means nothing to me, i'd use it for toilet paper. It just worries me for when other technology is introduced, such as Elite Frigates. As you know we are a rather large frigate only corp, and i'd hate to see such anticipated and very useful ship BP's fall into the hand of a big or even small carebear corp. selling each frigate at 400 times their base mineral cost.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.06 10:27:00 -
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"Good relpy j0se. I still think that a realistic company would produce miner2's and miner2 blueprints onto the market and make millions within a matter of hours."
Hmm am not too sure about it, to be honest. Selling blueprints (and especially the know-how) is one sure way to reduce your own profit because you no longer are the exclusive source of the product, and your ability to control the price is greatly reduced. So a company might see it more beneficial to sell just miner ii's over longer time, than make the quick buck from BP sales -- having a monopoly isn't just a source of money, it also gives one power over the market.
"It seems funny that the best prize in the game is a mining laser blueprint? in everyother game some1 would probably treasure a unique weapon blueprint many times more then a mining laser.. Another indication of the failing PvP aspect, and the increasing development of EVE: The Mining Genesis."
... Not really, i suspect 'tis just due to fact the mining laser BP is the only tech.2 blueprint that we know of at the moment. ;s (no idea if those other BPs from agent missions are tech.2 or not o.O)
"I'm not bothered that people have gotten a Miner II blueprint, i don;t mine, so that means nothing to me, i'd use it for toilet paper. It just worries me for when other technology is introduced, such as Elite Frigates. As you know we are a rather large frigate only corp, and i'd hate to see such anticipated and very useful ship BP's fall into the hand of a big or even small carebear corp. selling each frigate at 400 times their base mineral cost."
Heh i don't mine either, so the whole craze around who gets to poke the 'roids with the sharpest stick leaves me kind of like, "huh? o,o" Good point about the advanced frigates though, but am trying to do my part at the moment to ensure 'tis does not happen. :s
(the advanced frigates are sweet, btw; you can search the eve-db for the details)
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Queen dark
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Posted - 2003.10.06 10:43:00 -
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how to introduce them bp sugestions
1. let it be posible to invade stations and steel tech
2. make a skill called spy skill and let people do a litlle spying WITH A RISK
3. reversed engy
4. abandoned station can hold unrevealed unknown tech.
should i go on LOL there is so much more meeningfull ways than agent misions OR jovians..
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s0cks
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Posted - 2003.10.06 10:52:00 -
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(the advanced frigates are sweet, btw; you can search the eve-db for the details)
Yer, I know I have looked, and we have already found some of the Elite frigates we'd be especially interested in. We have even worked up a few tactics that could be used. It would agin, be a great shame to see these frigates go to waste. If our corp somehow got the only original BP's our main concern would be building and effectivily using them, not how much profit we can make.
Reading that last interview with Dev's, i have a bad feeling that they may not be introduced in the next big patch (3-4 weeks), but later than that 
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Menace Soldier
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Posted - 2003.10.06 11:11:00 -
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Too much reading. I won't bother. 
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DAViiD
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Posted - 2003.10.06 11:18:00 -
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no it doesnt stink YOUR JUST LAZY!! if you want higher tech put in the work or stfu no one get's something for nothing in this life ,unless ccp make a mistake
Sorry, but some ppl here have some life to do as well and don't have all day long to play Eve.
When i'm online i try to enjoy as much as i can and believe me, with the agent missions as they are now (boring as hell) i don't have fun with 'em.
Besides not having time to complete all this missions doesn't mean that i'm lazy. I wouldn't have had all the stuff i have if i would be lazy.
It unfair that you HAVE to do it to get the stuff and that's what bothers me. Where's the problem to put it on the NPC market for everyone to buy it ? And tell me, what are the chances to get a really good BP from the agent ? How many times did it happen that an agent gave a miner BP ?
It just sux and is unfair.
Regards, D.
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Everfire
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Posted - 2003.10.06 11:28:00 -
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I just wonder what lvl agent those 300 was with. could see lvl 2
but considering when lvl 2 was added and that DAMN wait timer bs, I dont see anyone haveing 300 missions with a lvl 3 yet
Its entirely possible to have 300 missions with a lvl 3, i personally have done 277 and one of my fellow corp members is not that far behind me.
Had I have not been away for a period of time I would have over 300 by now and I think its entirely possible others like me have done this many missions for a lvl 3.
Does require a lot of patience, and I mean a LOT!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.06 11:29:00 -
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"It unfair that you HAVE to do it to get the stuff and that's what bothers me. Where's the problem to put it on the NPC market for everyone to buy it ?"
... No, you don't HAVE to; you can buy the stuff through someone who did... very much like the implants can be bought now. 'Tis essentially 'putting it on the PC market for everyone to buy it' i.e. practically the very thing you're asking for... non? :s
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.10.06 11:32:00 -
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how to introduce them bp sugestions
1. let it be posible to invade stations and steel tech
2. make a skill called spy skill and let people do a litlle spying WITH A RISK
3. reversed engy
4. abandoned station can hold unrevealed unknown tech.
should i go on LOL there is so much more
meeningfull ways than agent misions OR jovians..
Yeah please go on, and post your ideas in the ideas Lab with a big topic so the devs can see.
Or make sure they are pointed to this post in the next csm.
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2003.10.06 11:57:00 -
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no it doesnt stink YOUR JUST LAZY!! if you want higher tech put in the work or stfu no one get's something for nothing in this life ,unless ccp make a mistake
Sorry but your an absolute D**k. I am intitaled to my opinion without being flamed for it.
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SO far I have heard lots and lots and lots and LOTS of whining and flaming about how tech 2 is being introduced. Last time people whined that destroying the Jove ship and getting the Miner 2 bp was bad and that they should be given out randomly from pirate drops or agent missions.
I'm not whining, I making a legitamate point. I have other things like getting on with like running a bloody corp rather than running round doing agent missions that by the time I get to a level required that I may or may not be given a miner 2 BP as a reward and could of mined enough to buy one anyway.
When the'Jovian' event happend, I had only just started playing eve. I still have no idea how powerful these 'Jovian' ships are because I've never been up against on but I can tell you this; from what I read about the event, a 4 man corp was never going to beat them anyway.
By releasing Tech 2 onto the Market you make it available for everyone to buy. I'm not asking it to be cheap, by all means make is a couple of billion to buy but at least it's there. It's something for smaller corps to work towards. Keeping it with agent missions only allows those selct few that have the time to do missions required to get from level 1 (the agent I have now) to I assume the level 3 agent that they come from.
As for getting myself a nice Tech 3 BP by that time, the game will of died because people will of left due to being sick of CCP supporting the larger corps and stifling the smaller ones.
This is my opinion, feel free to agree or disagree, I started this post for discussion and opinions on the matter but have the courtesy not to flame me because you are not intelligent to formulate a reasonable argument to my comments.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.10.06 12:08:00 -
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This is my opinion, feel free to agree or disagree, I started this post for discussion and opinions on the matter but have the courtesy not to flame me because you are not intelligent to formulate a reasonable argument to my comments.
Actually maybe you should have read my post before presuming i was flaming you.
I was stating that maybe you should offer ALTERNATIVES to the problem instead of simply complaining.
And before you start flaming ME for something i wasnt doing (i.e. flaming you) you would show me some courtesy and actually READ my post.
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2003.10.06 12:16:00 -
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DB I wasn't refering to you.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.10.06 12:23:00 -
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DB I wasn't refering to you.
NP, but you quoted me, so i presumed you were 
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2003.10.06 12:24:00 -
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I also believe I did mention alternatives to the situation. The alternative being put it on the open Market. With regards to being able to buy on trade when was the last time anyone saw someone post..WTS: Miner2 unlimited run, fully researched BPC.
I also want to digress for a moment. I have not often placed threads on this fourum because on the rare occasion I ave I have ended up being flamed for voicing my opinion. When did the eve community become a communist state? All I want is a calm and well thought out discussion on the Tech 2 situation.
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Keo Morigan
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Posted - 2003.10.06 12:24:00 -
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Anybody can do agent missions...
-Kesh
Tell me how to get into empire space then. The fact that my only agent is in 1.0 space makes me unable to ever do agent missions.
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2003.10.06 12:30:00 -
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NP, but you quoted me, so i presumed you were
Sorry to keep making post afterpost but i feel I should appologise for the confusion. The 'flaming' reference was to the D**K who called me lazy which is something I'm not.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.10.06 12:31:00 -
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Anybody can do agent missions...
-Kesh
Tell me how to get into empire space then. The fact that my only agent is in 1.0 space makes me unable to ever do agent missions.
Simple, create an alt to do your agent missions.
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