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mirel yirrin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 18:56:00 - [1] If anybody can help me with a nasty little issue I'm having id be most greatful. It started when my old PC died through a powersurge and I switched to the slightly newer PC SPEC'S of NEW PC 2.7GHX P4 80GB HDD Nvidia Geoforce FX 5200 756mb of Ram I installed EvE on this machine (Well inside Minimum req's for Eve) and Updated GFX drivers to Latest version (as recommended by CCP). I also updated Direct X and soundcard drivers. I fired up EvE and WHISKY TANGO FOXTROT 4.6 FPS in Space, at safespots and around stations/gates. I lowered all the settings and such , to be sure , and still problems. I uninstalled EvE and reinstalled it. I deleted GFX drivers and changed over to the Tweaked More stable GFX cards. I turned off EvE's sound incase it was that (Never play with it on anyway) but still no Help. I then cleared the Cache which seemed to help breifly but after a few hours the framerate issues returned to the same levels as before. Clearing the Cache again since has not helped again. This lead me to belive that it was a problem with EvE writing too much stuff to my Cache, so I Hit ctrl-alt-shift-M to bring up the monitor and stopped it writing to the Cache, and turned off the "Log chat to file" option just incase. This also had no Effect at all. I Then turned my attentions to things running in the background, and also FPS differences when in fullscreen or windowed mode. The FPS remained the same when windowed or in fullscreen, and turning off Antiviral and Firewall programs also had no effect. I Opened the Program manager and turned off a all non-essential Process's, again to No Avail. I am at a loss as to what to do next. Please Help. --------------------------------- IMAGINE THE GREATEST SIG OF ALL TIME HERE.

Kaemonn	Posted - 2006.07.25 18:58:00 - [2] If theres one thing I noticed about Nvidia, is quite a handfull of there 5200 series are duds; meaning they dont work as they should. I had one of these and it was a dud, in fact I returned it about 3 times before I got one that worked. My suggestion is trash that card, and get a 5700fx or a 6600. forum rules \| [email protected] You mean to tell me, theres a game that goes with the forums?

mirel yirrin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:00:00 - [3] Nope, because its not a New PC, and the FX 5200 works fine with HL2 and Deus Ex 2 and stuff. I don't think its the Graphics card. --------------------------------- IMAGINE THE GREATEST SIG OF ALL TIME HERE.
mirel yirrin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:13:00 - [4] Help me --------------------------------- IMAGINE THE GREATEST SIG OF ALL TIME HERE.
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:15:00 - [5] Welcome to the hell that is a GeForce 5200. A GeForce 2 (non-mx) is faster than a gf 5200, depending on where you are, 4.6 fps sounds about right. My Radeon 9600 Pro only gets up to about 4 or 5 in busy systems aswell, and empty systems it goes up to about 30. In stations it's about 70. It all depends on where you are, mostly, but generally, a gf5200 is not something you can be proud of. There's faster cards for less money, so to speak (gf4ti for example, if you can find one). My system is about the same (2800+, 768 ram), so i'm guessing it's just the gf5200. Seeing as the graphics in eve are not that scalable, you don't ahve to worry about those. In the meantime, try checking this thread before you give up on it. If that doesn't help, i seriously recommend getting a new vid card.
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:16:00 - [6] Originally by: mirel yirrin the FX 5200 works fine with HL2 and Deus Ex 2 and stuff. Somehow, i seriously doubt that. But, those games are a bit more scalable than eve though, i can't imagine you running them at more than 20 fps on minimum details.
Wrayth Osu Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:16:00 - [7] Switch to an ATI card :) Barring that... Try turning off chat logging, turret effects (CNTL+ALT+SHIFT+T) and even sound, and see if that helps. If so, you can start isolating the problem. p.s., shouldn't this be in the Known issues / workarounds board section? ____________________________________________________________________ Wrayth - "These are not the carebears you are looking for." Pirate - "These are not the carebears we are looking for."
mirel yirrin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:43:00 - [8] HL2 on medium details runs well (15-25 FPS) except in one area on the Approach to Nova Prospekt, because of the Size. Deus Ex 2 is the same except if there is lots of Particle Effects (Flames ect) --------------------------------- IMAGINE THE GREATEST SIG OF ALL TIME HERE.
mirel yirrin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:45:00 - [9] So can somebody point me towards a Cheap UK online supplier of Decent Graphics cards? What one should I get for Running eve at a decent frame rate? I'm a little lost here. --------------------------------- IMAGINE THE GREATEST SIG OF ALL TIME HERE.
Lostat Yggdrasil	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:59:00 - [10] Hi, I own an ATi Radeon 9550 (256MB) graphics card (for AGP motherboard slots) and EVE runs with no frame-rate issues whatsoever for me (along with 1.5GB RAM and a 3.1GHz AMD Sempron processor, home-built PC). You can pick this graphic card up in most shops for ú40 just now, or, I can recommend OverclockersUK website (just google it). Like I say, for the price it works fine for me, I've not experienced a single frame-rate issue at all with this card & PC build.
Munjo Jerry	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:08:00 - [11] im happy with my 140 fps dual cards 4tw
mirel yirrin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:10:00 - [12] Will this work? HIS Excalibur ATI Radeon 9550 256MB DDR TV-Out/DVI (AGP) - Retail (R9550-TDW256-C) (GX-010-HT) Powered by ATI RADEONÖ9550, Excalibur 9550 is the world''s fastest and most advanced graphics board, featuring ATI''s RADEONÖ9550 Visual Processing Unit (VPU). Through a combination of incredible 3D rendering performance, sophisticated real-time visual effects, unsurpassed image quality and cutting-edge video features, it takes the PC entertainment experience to a totally new level. With SMARTSHADERÖ 2.0 technology, Excalibur 9550 series supports Microsoft DirectX«9.0 and the latest OpenGL« functionality allowing gamers to experience complex, movie-quality effects in next-generation 3D games and applications. Excalibur 9550 supports the AGP 8X standard, which allows large volumes of texture and vertex data to be transferred faster from system memory to the chip. With ATI''s new VIDEOSHADERÖ technology, Excalibur 9550 continues the tradition of providing industry-leading video and DVD playback and also offers FULLSTREAMÖ-a new technology that removes blocky artifacts from video and provides sharper image quality. - ATI Radeon 9550 GPU running at 250MHz - 256MB DDR memory running at 400MHz - 128-bit memory interface - 2yrs Manufacturer Warranty --------------------------------- IMAGINE THE GREATEST SIG OF ALL TIME HERE.
mirel yirrin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:49:00 - [13] I have a correct Motherboard for the above card, but will my other Spec's match it? Maybe swap out the 512 + 256mb sticks for 2x 1gb sticks? 0_o --------------------------------- IMAGINE THE GREATEST SIG OF ALL TIME HERE.
Urgik Hfflatt	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:52:00 - [14] I shouldn't bother with a 9550, it's not a terribly good performer (imho). You can pick up an AGP8x GeForce 6600GT at Dabs.com for ú91.07 inc vat, which would make a huge difference; or a vanilla 6600 for less than ú70. I'd recommend an ATI 9800 Pro, but Dabs have stopped selling them
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:53:00 - [15] Indeed, 9800 Pro over a 9550. Otherwise, a 6600gt or x1600 pro should do the trick, given enough power supply.
darklegionca	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:58:00 - [16] the fx 5200 was made in 2003 dude get yourself a 6600 gt it works fine i havent had a framerate prb ever so ya
Pia Zawa	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:03:00 - [17] If you're going to get a new card, go for an ATI card, they work better with Intel cpu's. A Radeon x1600 is cheap and a very good card, much better than any of the xx00 series. And you should consider another ram stick while you're at it
mechtech	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:04:00 - [18] I would agree with a 6600
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:25:00 - [19] Edited by: Andrue on 25/07/2006 21:26:14 Originally by: mirel yirrin SPEC'S of NEW PC 2.7GHX P4 80GB HDD Nvidia Geoforce FX 5200 756mb of Ram That is not a new PC. It might be new to you but that spec is 2004 at the latest. I would cast a critical eye at that graphcs card. I had a 5300 and it wasn't very good. Didn't help that it only had 128MB of RAM. Other than that the CPU is poor but probably okay for Eve. The memory should be 1GB but probably good enough for Eve. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
mirel yirrin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:40:00 - [20] The Spec's are not up for debate. The last one had 256mb ram, 1.9GHZ processor and worked at a fine Frame Rate. Thanks for all the Imput, I'm just ****ed that it really is my GFX card and that I gotta grab a new one. Which means I have to unscrew my PC and crap liek that and mehhh : / --------------------------------- IMAGINE THE GREATEST SIG OF ALL TIME HERE.
Kitayna	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:43:00 - [21] The 5200 is for Office PC's and Microsoft Word, Honestly. In fact the whole FX range of cards are a dark past that Nvidia would like to forget. This range followed the MX cards to jump on the DX9 support and it does not even do that, it emulates DX9 support. For e.g. try and select DX9 when you load up anything using the Source engine (Half Life 2 etc) you can only select DX 8.1 max. Since you have a half-decent processor i would think you have a half-decent motherboard too. My suggestion is this... It obvious that you dont have matching memory as 768 does not come on 2 sticks of RAM. Remove this RAM and either buy 2x 512 of the same Brand & Batch (if possible) or 2x 1gig (even better). Contrary to popular belief .. anything over 2gig of RAM for 32bit systems is not recognised (yes you can get 3 gig recognised but its pointless since 32bit systems can only allocate a maximum of 2gig of RAM to a single process). Buy a new graphics card.... as much as your pockets stretch is as smooth as Eve will be. A new graphics card will run Eve a lot better but if you upgrade your gfx without doing your RAM you have a bottleneck and will not get the performance you should from your processor/gfx/mem all talking to each other the best they can.
Ace Combat Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:48:00 - [22] I also have a ATi Radeon 9550 (256MB) in one of my PCs which is a nice cheap GFX card that runs EVE just fine. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I remember the old description for Caldari.. light and nimble ships my ass. :(
Taketa De Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:24:00 - [23] Originally by: mirel yirrin The Spec's are not up for debate. The last one had 256mb ram, 1.9GHZ processor and worked at a fine Frame Rate. Thanks for all the Imput, I'm just ****ed that it really is my GFX card and that I gotta grab a new one. Which means I have to unscrew my PC and crap liek that and mehhh : / Did you check if your the Gfx card in your old PC is still working? If you got better results from it, why not see if you can switch it out to see if it also died or just the PC? (Motherboard? Powerunit?...) --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel.
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:42:00 - [24] I love how people think that having more RAM means that a card is better, it really doesnt. a 9550 with 256mb of RAM would get its ass kicked by an 9800 with 128mb. Anyway here are your ATI options 9550 ú35 x1300 ú40-ú65 (depending on card type and amount of ram, XT pro etc) x1600 ú65-ú95 (depending on card type and amount of ram, XT pro etc) x1800 ú125-ú150 (depending on card type and amount of ram, XT pro etc) Don't buy an SE card, and unless you get an x1600 or x1800 dont get more then 128mb of RAM.
mirel yirrin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 08:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Taketa De Originally by: mirel yirrin The Spec's are not up for debate. The last one had 256mb ram, 1.9GHZ processor and worked at a fine Frame Rate. Thanks for all the Imput, I'm just **ed that it really is my GFX card and that I gotta grab a new one. Which means I have to unscrew my PC and crap liek that and mehhh : / Did you check if your the Gfx card in your old PC is still working? If you got better results from it, why not see if you can switch it out to see if it also died or just the PC? (Motherboard? Powerunit?...) Nah it was very FUBAR'd, I think the HDD still worked but the PSU, CPU and MB were ****. There was a small dust fire aswell. In any case, I don't want to spend cash replacing that one because its old and I have a slightly newer one that I can spend on upgrading. This slightly newer Machine will Probly need a new Motherboard, even though it got a new one a few months ago, because the stupid arse of a PC repairman put in a crappy Asus P4S800-MX SE and then changed me a 120 quid for it plus labour. I then Realized that I could get a top of the range FAT1l1ty Motherboard for 114and just installed it myself. Meh. --------------------------------- IMAGINE THE GREATEST SIG OF ALL TIME HERE.
Ms Freak Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 08:13:00 - [26] 2 things: 1) FX cards need power direct from the power supply - make sure you have powered it - it should have a white moulex connecter you can plug in to. 2) I had a 5900GTX and that was only pulling around 80fps in stations and large plexes with 100+enemies + 5 corp m8s etc would bring it to around 20 so dont expect massive FPS from a 5200.
Michiyo Daishi	Posted - 2006.07.26 08:18:00 - [27] ugh, I hated that FX 5200. My brother made the same mistake lots of others did when getting that card, practically ruined a supposed-to-be-great summer with him ranting and raving about it, having to be forced to save money for a new one (which, tbh, was a pain for everyone else). I picked up a website you could be interested in: www.monarchcomputer.com they have rather nice selections at rock-bottom prices for barebones and customizable (read: build-your-own-pc) setups for PC's there. In fact, I've liked their selection and prices so much, I've selected them over local sources (who, sad to say, still sell the horrible FX and even MX series of Nvidia cards, which should say everything else about local availability of parts here, which are at MOST 2 years behind everything else). Of course, money is still a factor, and I'm forced to (re)save due to the fact that my mother took my money and bought a (horrifyingly overpriced and worthless) PC for the family (to replace the one that went kablooie in a lightning strike). I hope you can sort your PC troubles out soon. If it's any consolation, I'm currently running of a Geforce 2 MX400 (OMFG O_O) and I can get EVE to run respectably at least on it (20frames ave) with everyting set to low. oh, sidenote: factoring in how EVE reacted with my old PC with the "new" one, I find that oddly enough lower resolutions = less ram hogging o_O and letting EVE run in windowed format as well also lightens up the RAM load (and the aformentioned memory leaks) - posts posted are not official statements of EVEnews.com, and are the poster's own
Plutoinum Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:27:00 - [28] Edited by: Plutoinum on 26/07/2006 09:35:53 Although I know that the FX-5200 is crap, since I read about the first test, it sounds a bit odd. ( I seem to remember FX-5200 = low-budget version of the first Nvidia DX-9 cards, too slow to be really useful for DX-9 stuff, but people wanted DX-9 cheap and that's what they got. And also slower than the older DX-8 cards with DX-8 applications. ) I've got an old Geforce Ti-4200 with 64MB RAM (DX-8, cheapest of the Ti-4xxx line) and only an Athlon 2000XP (1.66GHz). Usually I play at 1360x1024, 24bit color, 32bit z-buffer + 8 bit stencil, window mode, and that's beyond, what my card can do at max speed with only 64MB RAM. Anyway, currently I still have 50-60 FPS alone at a planet depending on where I look. (At 1024x768 I have 75FPS, which is limited by my monitor refresh rate. v-synch on.) In usual situations, like small pvp gangs, ratting etc, I've got about 25 FPS (no sound, all effects off), in fleetbattles it goes down. Worst case is a fight at a pos with a lot of ships, enemies, drones, fighers. Then I really have 5 FPS or even less. Something must be wrong with your card, drivers, settings or whatever, if you have 5 FPS alone in space. Seems to me that even a FX-5200 can't be so crappy. (Maybe some anti-aliasing settings or some filtering that that card can't support at decent speed ?)
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Wrayth Osu Switch to an ATI card :) Barring that... Try turning off chat logging, turret effects (CNTL+ALT+SHIFT+T) and even sound, and see if that helps. If so, you can start isolating the problem. p.s., shouldn't this be in the Known issues / workarounds board section? Hmm, you forgot about clearing the cache and reinstalling EvE, and trying newer drivers. And about the Known issues / workarounds section, who reads those anyway? These days people hardly read the OP. Personally, I'd try to find a 6600 or 6600GT. They're not half bad and not half outdated, and superior to 6200s. Good luck in finding a cheap one mirel! Smagd -- When I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. Thukkers do
d0omer	Posted - 2006.07.26 10:34:00 - [30] I have dual 6800GT and i get upwards of 200 FPS in space... But i dont spose thats what you wanted to hear... My old Nvidia (5200) was utter sh!te when it came to EVE. Would work Ok with everything else but the FPS in Eve sucked. If you can afford it i would seriously consider trading it for a beefier card.

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