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Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 18:57:00 - [1] 8/7/4 please with oodles of CPU and powergrid. Ta. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:00:00 - [2] Originally by: Eximius Josari 8/7/5 with not oddles of grid, I don't think we need another artillary boat. Actually you're right, as shield tanks use more CPU than grid. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Cudeiro you forgot "and give all people with minmatar bs 5 a full set of cristals implants thx" Aye, I was thinking about saving up for a snake set but now... TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:01:00 - [4] Originally by: Amy Wang 8/7/5 would be only fair to compensate a little for having the most rubbish bonuses of all tier3 bs.... God you are so wrong (only if it gets 7 mids) TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:03:00 - [5] Originally by: M00dy It'll the ship to fly in the next Alliance Tournament. Built in low-grade Crystal set. Now imagine it combined with a HG crystal set :P TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:17:00 - [6] Edited by: Sarmaul on 25/07/2006 20:17:29 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 25/07/2006 20:07:22 Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: M00dy Imagine the whinage. 8/6/6 would be so... bleh. I want 7 medium slots. It would be so much fun to no longer fear Ravens. DIE RAVENS DIE! Nope. You think it is easy to shield tank with 6 slots, huh? At least you know how hard the Raven is tanking with 6 slots. /me tries hard to imagine something as huge as a BS that can MWD and orbit at 20km shooting blasters. Oh get off your high horse. The Rokh is a giant Ferox (optimal range + shield resistance bonus) while the Maelstrom is a giant cyclone. Both ships have identical mids and lows, so why not the Tier3 BS when the obviously follow the same pattern? Where has it been stated that no battleship ship must have more midslots than the Raven, a Tier2 battleship? The same applies to Command Ships too btw. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Valea Silpha I gotta say it: The maelstrom lets me down in every way. I wanted a big stabber with a rack of AC's and caution being thrown to the wind. Shame, I wanted a dedicated missile boat with target painter bonuses. Originally by: Valea Silpha We have ended up with the bastard child of the raven and the cyclone. No, we have ended up with a giant cyclone. Last time I checked, the Raven had either a shield boost bonus not a projectile rof bonus. Originally by: Valea Silpha Theres no specific reason to use it with arty over the tempest Execpt of course, both the alpha strike and DPS will be higher on the Maelstrom. Originally by: Valea Silpha and assuming its as slow as it probably will be, its not worth using with AC over the tempest either. You nearly had a point there. Congrats \o/ Originally by: Valea Silpha If it has 7 meds it will tank pretty well, but thats never been the minmatar strength. Please take a look at the Sleipnir and tell me it Minmatar don't tank well. If we're going to do something, we do it properly :). Originally by: Valea Silpha If it has 6 meds and 6 lows, then we get an ECM + resonable armor tank boat. OK I agree with you on that one, which is why I'm trying to get support for 8/7/4-5 Originally by: Valea Silpha Neither of that are anything like the minmatar i know and love. Christ knows what Minmatar ships you've been loving then. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Valea Silpha Man if we were getting the hyperions bonuses it would causes thousands of pairs of minmatar panties to moisten. If it gets 8/7/4-5 we get enough slots to tackle, a 3-4 slot tank (cap booster takes up 1) and the ability to fit crap loads of damage mods. Don't forget about the built-in Dread Guristas Boost Amp/LG Crystal Set. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:12:00 - [9] Originally by: kessah Sarmaul seriously how can u welcome a Shield boost bonus, matari are ment to be versatile especially at the Battleship lvl. Its so contricting, i fly the cyclone and i still armour tank it and i fly the raven and armour tank it, But like the cyclone u might aswell use a ferox imho and with the Maelstrom having a wasted bonus imho as if i used it i use it as a cyclone which sucks. Nobody is forcing you to shield tank it. TBH, I am absolutely loving the shield boost bonus but only if it gets 7 mids, otherwise it will end up being fitted like a tempest with another multispec. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:25:00 - [10] There's always tier 4 ;) TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:18:00 - [11] The complaint is that it can tank and gank and never miss. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:26:00 - [12] Originally by: babylonstew Originally by: Sarmaul The complaint is that it can tank and gank and never miss. ok, thats a fair point, but even with 6 meds, the new min bs will in fact out tank said raven wont it? so you will in fact have for example, an extra invul field 30% more resists, or an extra boost amp, ungodly boost ammounts, or anything you like really, i just dont see its that bad if it 'only' has 6 meds, i really think 7 would make it slightly over powered in the tanking department. personal opinion not flame ^^^ And the Rokh with 7 midslots will also out-tank the raven due to it's 25% resistance bonus. The devs have stated that the Minny tier3 is designed to run the biggest tank of them all, and the only way that's going to happen is if it gets 7 midslots. As has been stated by other people, give it 6 and you'll end up with an armour tank + ewar, thus wasting the bonus. MWD (1) Scrambler (2) Web (3) Cap Booster (4) XL Booster (5) Leaves it 1 slot for tanking unless you remove one of the needed modules (and as it is going to be quite sluggish it will definatly need that web, with no nos the tank won't hold without the cap booster, it needs some form of speed mod to get into range and the scrambler is self explanitory. By going 8/7/4 you force it to shield tank (the purpose of the ship) and put an end to it running a ****-poor armour tank as it won't have any slots for damage modules. If the Minny t1/t2 battlecruisers can have the same amount of midslots as the Caldari ones, the tier3 BS damn well better have the same amount too. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:38:00 - [13] Are any of the X-Type shield mods besides the Large Shield Booster actually in game yet? TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:52:00 - [14] It's supposed to be ironic - the minmatar use shield technology when their racial enemy do mostly EM damage, while Amarr use armour technology when their racial enemy do mostly explosive damage :) TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Severa Crest Any other minnie pilots worried about the Hyperion? I'm only worried if it gets into range or lands 0.0km away from me, as I should be. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:12:00 - [16] With a Cap Booster it's pretty much unbeatable until you run out of charges :P TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Nafri Honestly, who will fit an active tank on a battleship? Are you honestly telling me nobody fits active tanks on battleships? TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 06:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Nafri Honestly, who will fit an active tank on a battleship? Are you honestly telling me nobody fits active tanks on battleships? Tell me any decent active shield tanking setup. Everysetup you come up with, ECM will be a better choice. Ah spoken like a true former member of G Cyclones, Sleipnirs and Claymores for a start, and funnily enough those are the ships the Tier3 is based from. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 06:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Severa Crest OK fair point... mids could be - mwd, xl boost, 2 x inv, cap booster, web scram (if 7 mids) That's pretty much what I had in mind, with a full rack of gyrostabs, a damage control and if it gets +1 slot a PDU or something similar (heh maybe even a nanofibre). We don't know how slow it's going to be yet, so stop worrying. Also, has anyone entertained the possability that this ship could make an awesome artillery tank platform providing it had enough powergrid? TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:03:00 - [20] Edited by: Sarmaul on 26/07/2006 07:03:45 And finally, where did this "you need to have loads of tracking computers to be able to fight at close range?" crap come from? Last time I checked the Tempest has no tracking bonus and no slots spare for tracking mods. Unless you are somehow fitting them up your arse I fail to see the point being made. And Nafri, if you want an armour tanked missile ship or a turret based ship with a double bonus, use the Phoon and Tempest. Edit: Ok I probably should've merged this all into one post :P TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Wizie Sarm, in all honesty, I wouldn't consider the phoons bonii as a double dmg bonus. I like the shield tank bonus idea for the tier 3, however, with 6 mids, an autopest with shield tank will work in groups, and even there it would do better fitting 1400s. 6 mids on a turret boat don't really work that well if you are playing the close range shield tank game. I meant for the armour tanking & missiles :) And as I've stated all along, this ship will only rock if it gets 7 midslots. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/07/2006 22:08:11 Originally by: babylonstew so all these people whining the raven can tank and gank with 6/5 slots is actually over powered, but a min ship with say 6/5 and a built in shield boost amp, so basically 7/5 for example, isnt up to scratch tanking wise?, what have i missed? either ravens tank/gank isnt actually over powered at all, or your after a super tank with 8 turrets? People seem to think it will be either 8/7/5 or 8/6/6 to make a total of 20 slots. If it gets 7 medium slots, its tanking will be excellent. Personally i like this ship if it gets 7 mediums. If Maelstorm gets 8/7/5 and not 8/6/6, I will start whinning every day to get Caldari ship slots reassigned. A quick preview of my whine would be Moa - 6/5/3 Eagle - 6/6/3 or 6/5/4 Raven - 8/7/4 That's some pretty crappy reasoning tbh. Where is this strange logic coming from that no ship can have more midslots than the Raven? As far as I see it, the Maelstrom needs 7 mids to prevent it from turning into a poorly armour tanked ewar boat. MWD, Web, 20km, Cap Booster, XL Booster, Twin Invul for the mids or else it's tank won't survive 2 seconds, it's cap won't survive 2 seconds, it won't be able to keep traversal down or stop the target from warping away. The Raven need not worry about traversal so it doesn't need the web. Now, in case you hadn't noticed the Rokh is a giant Ferox and the Maelstrom is a giant Cyclone. If they can have the same amount of midslots at the battlecruiser level, why not at the battleship level? TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:40:00 - [23] Hate to break it to you, but it looks like the devs are turning Minmatar into awesome shield tankers too :). Read Tux's description of the Maelstrom - this ship is designed for tankage which isn't going to happen without those 7 slots. Also, do you see people here *****ing that the Cyclone can't tank with only 5 mids (quiet at the back!). The Eagle and Moa, with the resistance bonuses, are far better off loading up a passive tank that lets then take a beating from range while they snipe off frigates. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:52:00 - [24] Edited by: Sarmaul on 26/07/2006 07:53:06 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Cyclone is very balanced. They have one more slot extra than Caldari, Amarr, Gallente. The Cyclone should've had a low removed when it got the mid, I'll happily agree with you there. Quote: Ferox nobody whines much because they have a shield bonus i.e. implicit one mid-slot. Maelstorm has a shield bonus and 7 mid-slots are really 8 and not 7. By that reasoning, the Moa and Eagle have more than enough slots to tank with as they all have a built-in shield bonus \o/. The Rokh can also be kept gimped on midslots as well as it gets a shield bonus too. As for the "what do you want - a solo pwnmobile" remarks 1) It needs to fill all it's highs with turrets to get any form of good damage, so no nos 2) It's going to be slow, which really isn't helpful when attempting to solo Remind me again why you think Caldari are allowed to Gank + Tank yet Minmatar aren't? Oh right, because Caldari are shield specialists dispite a lot of minmatar ships having more shield HP than armour HP, our battlecruisers being monster shield tankers and our T2 resists have "shield tank" written all over them. Oh yes, caldari are now "midslot specialists" Seems like you're clutching at straws tbh. Edit: OMG you left NI o_O TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 08:09:00 - [25] Maybe it will have very little grid and loads of CPU? ;) And the Cyclone and the Brutix are probably the best PVP battlecruisers around. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 08:19:00 - [26] Edited by: Sarmaul on 26/07/2006 08:19:21 Originally by: Nafri And dont come me with your "omg, Im in a PvP corp now, I can bash some Alliance noobs" Im former Member Of Naginata, Reikkoku, Tundragon, Teddybears I wasn't insulting G's credability as an alliance nor their PVP ability, I was poking fun at their slight fondness of ECM :) TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Pesadel0 Oh well we can always wait for the BS Tier 4 then we will get the super fast,super minie BS we always dream about TBH seeing as the Maelstrom will out-DPS the tempest with artillery, I would rather the pest itself was changed into a superfast ac ship. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:48:00 - [28] Edited by: Sarmaul on 26/07/2006 09:48:24 Minny ships with equal or more shield than armour hp: Assault Ships (1/2) Jaguar Covert Ops (0/2) - Frigates (3/6) Breacher Rifter Vigil (equal) Interceptors (0/2) - ---------------- Destroyers (1/1) Thrasher Interdictors (1/1) Sabre ---------------- Cruisers (3/4) Bellicose Scythe (equal) Stabber HAC (1/2) Vagabond Logistics (0/1) - Recon Ships (2/2) Huginn Rapier ---------------- Battlecruisers (1/1) Cyclone Command Ships (2/2) Claymore Sleipnir ---------------- Battleships (2/2) Tempest Typhoon ---------------- Freighters (0/1) - Industrials (0/3) - Transport Ships (2/2) Mastodon Prowler ---------------- Carriers (1/2) Hel (equal) Dreadnoughts (1/1) Naglfar (equal) Titans (1/1) Ragnarok (equal) ---------------- Shuttles (1/1) Minmatar Shuttle So that's 23 ships out of 38 that have higher shield than armour. Our transport ships get bonuses to shield boosting. Our battlecruisers get bonuses to shield boosting. Our command ships get bonuses to shield boosting. Our T2 resistances might as well say "Look, I shield tank". How is making another Minmatar shield tanker going against the backstory and "unminmatar"? TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 10:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Aloysius Knight do that again with slot layout factored in Do it yourself :P TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 10:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Pesadel0 And that proves what? Doenst slot layout mean anything? It proves that dispite us having some stupidly gimped slot layouts CCP envisions minmatar as having good shield technology. The vagabond is a good shield tanker and has 4 mids 5 lows. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:09:00 - [31] Tbh my phoon rules for npcing and that won't be changing anytime soon :) TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:33:00 - [32] Erm lol? Rof bonus... TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:17:00 - [33] Originally by: xeom Jim if you can shield tank(the best) and still have room for a MWD and scrabler or web its overpowered.Its something every shield tanker suffers from,just becuase you got it doesnt not exempt you from it. Bull**** tbh. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:23:00 - [34] Edited by: Sarmaul on 26/07/2006 16:24:31 Edited by: Sarmaul on 26/07/2006 16:23:41 Originally by: xeom Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: xeom Jim if you can shield tank(the best) and still have room for a MWD and scrabler or web its overpowered.Its something every shield tanker suffers from,just becuase you got it doesnt not exempt you from it. Bull**** tbh. Please show me any shield tanker t1 that can tank and mwd/scramb. A real shield tank please. If you do i will submit and agree that it infact needs 7 mid slots. What is a "real shield tank"? Edit: Btw, Cyclone. In fact, seeing as the Maelstrom is based of the Cyclone, it should be a shield tanking mwd tacking thingy. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:35:00 - [35] Edited by: Sarmaul on 26/07/2006 16:36:14 The big difference is that a close range battleship needs a web. The Raven can switch to Javelin torps and own the majority of ships smaller. Where is the high tracking projectile ammo with a turret sig radius reduction? Oh yeah, there isn't one. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:54:00 - [36] You know, I haven't yet heard one good argument as to who it shouldn't get 8/7/4 other than the typical "meh meh meh it's not caldari so it can't have a good tank, dispite the devs saying that's the point of the ship". TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 17:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Wrayeth own a siege launcher II BPO, etc. Cheap rates for forum *****s? Torps 5 finishes tomorrow TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:10:00 - [38] BTW ignore those placeholder stats as they are very very old TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -

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