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Woopie
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Posted - 2006.07.27 02:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Exiled One
Edited by: Exiled One on 26/07/2006 20:09:12
Controlled burst lvl5
megathron with 3 heat sinks II; 7 tachyon beams II loaded with multifreq
CAP consumption : 69.03 / second
only firing your guns.
Except Abbadon has ROF bonus and 8 turrets... why not just do the correct math.
Rof bonuses:
0.75 (Abbadon, BS V)
0.80 (Rapid Fire V)
0.895 (1st - Heat Sink)
0.90 (Gunnary V)
0.9086 (2nd - Heat Sink)
0.94 - (3rd - Heat Sink)
Total rof bonus: 0.75*0.80*0.895*0.90*0.9086*0.94 => 0.4123
Cap bonuses:
0.75 (Controlled Burst V)
Convert to geddon:7/8*.5 => 0.4375 (one less turret, 50% cap bonus)
Convert to apoc: .75*.5 => 0.375 (no ROF bonus, 50% cap bonus)
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II (CAP 25 per/shot - ROF 6.08 sec)
8*25*0.75/6.08/0.4123 => 59.84 cap/sec
(26.18 cap/sec geddon or 22.44 cap/sec apoc)
Mega Pulse Laser II (CAP 40 per/shot - ROF 7.88 sec)
8*40*0.75/7.88/0.4123 => 73.87 cap/sec
(32.32 cap/sec geddon or 27.70 cap/sec apoc)
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II (CAP 35 per/shot - ROF 7.20 sec)
8*35*0.75/7.20/0.4123 => 70.74 cap/sec
(30.95 cap/sec geddon or 26.53 cap/sec apoc)
Mega Beam Laser II (CAP 65 per/shot - ROF 9.00 sec)
8*65*0.75/9.00/0.4123 => 105.10 cap/sec
(45.98 cap/sec geddon or 39.41 cap/sec apoc)
Tachyon Beam Laser II (CAP 95 per/shot - ROF 12.50 sec)
8*95*0.75/12.50/0.4123 => 110.60 cap/sec
(48.39 cap/sec geddon or 41.47 cap/sec apoc)
There, Max skilled Abbadon/Geddon/Apoc with 3x Heat Sink II
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Woopie
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Posted - 2006.07.27 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Woopie on 27/07/2006 03:10:02
Originally by: Woopie
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Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II (CAP 25 per/shot - ROF 6.08 sec)
8*25*0.75/6.08/0.4123 => 59.84 cap/sec
(26.18 cap/sec geddon or 22.44 cap/sec apoc)
Mega Pulse Laser II (CAP 40 per/shot - ROF 7.88 sec)
8*40*0.75/7.88/0.4123 => 73.87 cap/sec
(32.32 cap/sec geddon or 27.70 cap/sec apoc)
Dual Heavy Beam Laser II (CAP 35 per/shot - ROF 7.20 sec)
8*35*0.75/7.20/0.4123 => 70.74 cap/sec
(30.95 cap/sec geddon or 26.53 cap/sec apoc)
Mega Beam Laser II (CAP 65 per/shot - ROF 9.00 sec)
8*65*0.75/9.00/0.4123 => 105.10 cap/sec
(45.98 cap/sec geddon or 39.41 cap/sec apoc)
Tachyon Beam Laser II (CAP 95 per/shot - ROF 12.50 sec)
8*95*0.75/12.50/0.4123 => 110.60 cap/sec
(48.39 cap/sec geddon or 41.47 cap/sec apoc)
There, Max skilled Abbadon/Geddon/Apoc with 3x Heat Sink II
Just to put some perceptive on those numbers..
Dual Large Rep II Tank: 2*400/15/.75 => 71.11 cap/sec
X-Large Shield II Tank: 400*0.9/5 => 72 cap/sec
If you just give up dual rep tank then Abbadon is easily usable, just like they said.
Well maybe not with Tachyons/Mega Beams without extra stuff, but everything else, imo.
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Woopie
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Posted - 2006.07.27 03:25:00 -
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For example typical Dual Heavy Pulse II / Dual Rep geddon uses...
26.18+72+minor_stuff = 98.18 cap/sec
Mega Pulse II / Single Rep + Plate abbadon uses
73.87+36+minor_stuff = 109.87 cap/sec
It's not that much more cap use for (8*3.6/7.88)/(7*2.4/6.08) => 1.323 => 32% more (gun) damage and 25% extra resists + plate to make up for the lost rep.
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Woopie
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Posted - 2006.07.27 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard
I don't see why everyone is calling the Abbadon some great tanker.
It will tank just as well as the Rokh and Maelstrom while being half as useful as the other two. Rokh will prob able to setup a passive shield tank and fire its gun for nigh on forever while the Maelstrom requires no cap to fire its guns.
And the abbadon..
Same tank as the Rokh and Maelstrom, but then it turns on its guns.. what will happen? Tank fail within tens of seconds and there goes the awesome tank. Even better, put even one nos or a couple and this thing will drop faster than a dress on prom night. Simply put, the Abbadon is the apoc and the geddon put together. The useless "tank like any other BS, but deal no dmg" and the generic geddon.
I will apologize outright to Tux and the dev team if there is something significant that we are missing to this ship aka the stats, however based on logical thinking on how it will be, I've deducted this rant.
It will never be a (long term/pure) tanker that's just stupid, but rather a pretty good ganker that can absorb fair share of damage. Something that has always been the main weakness of the geddon when it goes all out gank.
Again way too many stats are missing to say it's a uber ship yet, but I think it's safe to say that it has good potential. Unfortunately I also fear that it will have some huge flaw in the final stats other than the lack of cap usage bonus to be any more useful than the geddon currently is.
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Woopie
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Posted - 2006.07.27 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
Just thought I would add:
Geddon 7x Mega Pulse II + 3 Heatsink II + Conflag = 40.38 cap/sec
+ LAR + MAR = 94.38 cap/sec
Abbadon 8x Mega Pulse II + 3 Heatsink II + Conflag = 92.31 cap/sec
The difference in cap drain is enough to feed a LAR II + MAR II on the Geddon. If the Abbadon isn't using Conflag due to cap issues, it'll be outdamaged by the Geddon.
Granted, but fitting a geddon like that means the injector doesn't cut it without grid mods* or even co-proc?. Plus MAR / LAR combo isn't worth it in PvP, better of using a plate instead of MAR.
* 16500*1.25-7*2750*.9-2300-173-1750 => -923 grid
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Woopie
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Posted - 2006.07.30 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven
..snip..
8/3/7 (18) or 8/2/8 (18) or 8/3/8 (19)
..snip..
It will be either 19 or 20.
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