so when i jump in to a system and cloak and log out then in again i will not apear in local
so now i can hot drop ppl with out them know it might happen / be prepared ?

Depends on how the local is going to work out with the "Pilots won't disappear from their previous Local channel until they show up in a new one.".
Logging off might remove you from local (or may not), but once you log in, your previous Local was still the same, so you were never showed up in a new one?
I don't know, just a thought

I can go along with this so long as it holds until the pilot does *anything* detectable---shoot a rat, warp, dock, launch probes, use Dscan.... anything at all but move at subwarp without a MWD out of sight of anything else. As soon as you are on grid with something that is monitored... you are now monitored.

So here's an idea. Keep Local largely as-is but pilots will not become visible in Local until they:

1. Enter a system via stargate.
2. Dock at a station.
3. Say something in Local Chat.

The reason I don't think that 0.0 local should report pilots with aggression is the same reasons they don't go flashy now. 0.0 = lawless space.

People beg for a local nerf because they want free kills for little or no effort but once the risk-reward scales so far in the risk direction then they will just find other methods of income and you won't have anything to hunt.

I tend to agree, but it's well established that kills, at least, get reported. That's why I suggested that pilots that post on a killmail show up in local. That's not aggression, just if you're actually on a killmail.

I would also add cyno beacons to the list. They use the same system as jump bridges.



No they don't. They want the possibility of a kill, period. As it stands now, even with an interceptor, you have a minimum of about 12-15 seconds from an interceptor pilot jumping into system until they land on grid with you, and that's if they pick the right anoms and it's relatively close to the gate. Even with hyperspatial accelerators and implants, inties still can't drop below about 10-12 seconds from initiating warp to landing on grid unless it's a very short warp.

Now, any stationary ship short of a capital can guarantee getting into warp in 8-10 seconds with the use of an AB or MWD. These ships are even largely immune to bubbles. It takes a warp-speed rigged dictor with implants a minimum of 10-20 seconds to get on grid with a station, even if the station is on the same celestial as the jump gate. The dictor can instantly deploy a bubble after leaving warp, but then must burn around (another 20-30 seconds, or more for large stations) to get other approach vectors. As long as the ratting ship initiates warp before the bubble on their approach vector is deployed (even if they are still aligning and have not yet entered warp at the time), they will land at zero on the station and instantly dock up. Even if they are coming from the same direction as the dictor, from hundreds of AU away, they'll sail clean through the bubble and land at zero.

Local is too powerful in its current state, and ratters have too much of an advantage in the balance.

Also note that this wouldn't do much for interceptor gangs, since those mostly roam through stargates. This would mostly be a thing for covert gangs moving around via wormholes or blops bridges.

People are killing ratters in null all day every day. What are they doing right that you don't?

They are finding people that are afk or stupid. I myself lost a Rattlesnake to a hotdrop back in my FA days of yore when I went AFK for a bio with a neut in system. Careless people will lose their stuff regardless.

The problem is, if people are paying attention, they are 100% immune to ganks most of the time. Ratting carriers a bit less so, but battleships and below can completely negate any gank attempt purely through vigilance. It doesn't matter how skillful or prepared the ganking party, if the ratter hits "warp to station" as soon as a local enters system, they cannot be ganked with current mechanics. That's why afk cloaking is a thing, because it's the only way to catch otherwise watchful people, by making the presence of the neut so persistent that the only options are to give up on ratting in that system entirely, or rat with the neut in system and give up your local intel source.

This method would give gankers an option in certain circumstances. I recall a few weeks back when we had a system with literally 30 multiboxed characters mining in barges in a system. If a neut entered system, they initiated warp nearly instantly. Whether it was a bot or simply a vigilant person, there wasn't a single thing that could have been done about those miners. They were functionally mining in high sec, in that they had essentially zero risk of being ganked. I'm not sure even a log-in warp at belt in an interceptors would have been fast enough to catch them.

I rat in null a lot and of course i'm inmune to ganks becuase i'm always watching local and never afk, so what. Keep hunting and looking for unaware people or come to the forums to beg for easy kills. Oh yes, you already did the latter. Get lost.