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Lucre
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.26 13:13:00 -
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I think all they're actually doing is providing a handy weapon to identify and so easily wipe trolling alt posts whilst hopefully reducing the number.
As others have noted, according to the rules you can still post with noobcorp alts providing you turn your corp info on. So all the "fun" of anonymous speculation, reportage or espionage can continue provided it doesn't cross into trolling. However if you do troll with them then the hammer comes down (as indeed it would if you troll with your main!).
ISTM what it should hopefully do most (apart from reducing the trolls) is reduce moderator workload as they can simply look at a post and if it's trolling from an unnamed or noobcorp character it can be deleted on sight without notice without worrying about the whole locking/warning/is this an alt or not process.
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Heinky
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 13:19:00 -
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Could not be bothered reading the whole post so not sure if this has been asked already.
How can u know if people in "noob" corps are not main chars ? in eve people have the right to chose their destiny or whatever, so they dont need to be in a player corp. But they still have the right to their opinion on the forums.
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Ulynidd
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Posted - 2006.07.26 13:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Heinky
How can u know if people in "noob" corps are not main chars ? in eve people have the right to chose their destiny or whatever, so they dont need to be in a player corp. But they still have the right to their opinion on the forums.
Correct.
However players in NPC corps, are free to post in any of the other forums.
This forum is for player Corporations, Alliances and Organisations.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.26 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ulynidd
This forum is for player Corporations, (player) Alliances and (player) Organisations.
Just, for clarity.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Ulynidd
This forum is for player Corporations, (player) Alliances and (player) Organisations.
Just, for clarity.
Please allow us to clarify further.
We understand that people in NPC corps could be main characters. If they wish to roleplay a lone gunman against an alliance, they can use the Corp Summit and stay IC. Or if they wish to be OOC, they can use Crime and Punishment.
We mods are rather adept at spotting alt trolls. We are also adept at spotting main character trolls. We have dealt with each equally. What this new announcement serves notice of is that by popular demand of the regular posters in this forum, a stand is taken against individuals who use alts to troll. But be further advised, if a regular poster decides to respond to a troll alt in here they too will have to answer for their post the same way if it violates the rules.
Our intent is to clean this corner of the forums up the best we can. It is well known that alt trolls cause significant problems. The fact remains that alt trolls would be less of a problem if some of the regular poster's didn't rise to the bait. Therefore, it will take the community to assist us in not responding to an alt or flaming an alt if they slip through. Please simply ignore them.
Don't feed the trolls.
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:39:00 -
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Please don't tell me these new rules now include carpet bombing deletion of threads like the one by the MGRL?
ISD have spent the last few pages expressing how good their judgement is on matters alt/troll related.
To date, MGRL threads have been funny and generally in pretty good taste. Please let this good judgement pass over to saving threads like this They add to this community rather than detracting from it.
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Krugerrand
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:44:00 -
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Not to mention that MGRL, as stated, is a established "role-playing" corp.
The post in question that was deleted was not trolling, in stead it stated fact - MGRL had declared war and it was a post to inform the rest of the community of this fact.
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duckmonster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.26 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: duckmonster on 26/07/2006 15:14:41
The lone gunman scenario is an interesting one however, and there are others (for instance the Big blue drama a while back. I have no reason to believe many NPC-corp posters where anything other than just lone miners using big blues services and feeling a bit passionate about the landlord, as opposed to alts.).
Would you suggest that if a npc-corp player feels , for whatever storyline/game politics reason it may be apropriate to post, they run it past a moderator first? How would one do that if so? Or is it a bit of a case of "use your judgement".
edit: Is BD-Bandit really on moderation? All he's ever been is a bit "out" there, and surely thats OK?
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Rambo Amadeus
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ulynidd
Originally by: Heinky
How can u know if people in "noob" corps are not main chars ? in eve people have the right to chose their destiny or whatever, so they dont need to be in a player corp. But they still have the right to their opinion on the forums.
Correct.
However players in NPC corps, are free to post in any of the other forums.
This forum is for player Corporations, Alliances and Organisations.
Can you please put this in the forum rules, then? As they currently stand, I'm still allowed to post in this forum.
This discrepancy is even more confusing than the "ant-griefing" clause in the EULA ...
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Notleh
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:47:00 -
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This will be a huge improvement. Nice move mods.
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Vanlade
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Posted - 2006.07.26 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Backdoor Bandit
So, on the subject of alts and defining alts. Why are the MGRL being 'moderated'? I pay my money every month for my accounts. The MGRL are a corporation of nine months standing. I have personally paid out more than 160 million on war declarations. Now i find my threads being deleted.
I doubt you'll find many corporations with more EVE-wide fame and popularity than mine. Now I'm being silenced like a 1 day old n00bcorp forum troll. Sort your act out.
I just found a suitable corp to decare war to.
Ghey minmatars must die! (Along with all minmatars as well)
Heil Emperor!
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BoinKlasik
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.26 20:19:00 -
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wwoo!
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries*
this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris
Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr!  ~kieron
Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler
The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
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Heinky
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ulynidd
Originally by: Heinky
How can u know if people in "noob" corps are not main chars ? in eve people have the right to chose their destiny or whatever, so they dont need to be in a player corp. But they still have the right to their opinion on the forums.
Correct.
However players in NPC corps, are free to post in any of the other forums.
This forum is for player Corporations, Alliances and Organisations.
Even if this is a player Corporations, Alliances and Organisations forums, they must have the right to an opinion on announcments etc from alliances and corps yes ?
Alliance , corps and others that post here are announcing things not only to other player Corporations, Alliances and Organisations but to everyone that plays eve.
Is there no way that u can limit this forum section to Main char on account ( the first name that pops up when selecting who to type with = first char made?)
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Leilani Solaris
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 20:33:00 -
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Worst decision ever. tbfh. Why not remove the forums all together. that'll kill the trolls and flames for sure.
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Stamm
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Leilani Solaris
Worst decision ever. tbfh. Why not remove the forums all together. that'll kill the trolls and flames for sure.
You can't please all the people all of the time. This change pleases most of the people.
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Martina Knizia
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Heinky
Is there no way that u can limit this forum section to Main char on account ( the first name that pops up when selecting who to type with = first char made?)
It's too arbitrary. Some of us actually use more than one of their characters in game for valid reasons, they just are specialized for different things. Case in point, I have both a hauler/trader and a combat character *waves to my former U'K colleagues* on my account and they both get played.
Whether this will work remains to be seen. I think there are people who are currently in noob corps who may have previously been in "established" player corps and alliances that have valid contributions to the various topics, so banning people in the NPC corps from posting is a bit like cutting down the whole tree instead of trimming the dead branches. I'm also skeptical as to what makes a player owned corp "established". Having members from more than one account? Time of existence? Cash in the coffers? Using me as an example again, my corp is pretty new and relatively small, but it is a "real" corp with several active members and a purpose, not just a place to hang my alts.
What difference is turning on corp/alliance info going to make? It's not like if someone says something that REALLY ****es you off, you can't just look them up in game to find what corp they're in.
If it is the act of trolling that is verbotten, just delete trolling posts without universally deleting posts by a certain class of character. I mean, people are still going to troll even with these new rules just to see how long it takes for the post to get deleted and how many people they can rile up in the meantime.
I hope these measures work, if they do I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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anusface1
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Posted - 2006.07.26 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Please don't tell me these new rules now include carpet bombing deletion of threads like the one by the MGRL?
ISD have spent the last few pages expressing how good their judgement is on matters alt/troll related.
To date, MGRL threads have been funny and generally in pretty good taste. Please let this good judgement pass over to saving threads like this They add to this community rather than detracting from it.
MGRL are also a pretty well known FIX/Ex-FIX alt corp *cough sarm cough*
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Cringeley
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Cringeley on 26/07/2006 21:29:37
Originally by: Zzazzt
Edited by: Zzazzt on 26/07/2006 13:05:19
Originally by: Cringeley
Just to clarify (I hope this hasn't already been covered in detail), what constitutes an "alt" and what constitutes a "main" for the purposes of this rule? Say a player has a character in each of two major alliances, will ISD be intervening? The reason I ask is that it occurs to me that indications given by ISD of "alt" status for a particular character could interfere with espionage work, which is a vital and interesting part of the game.
Why are you even asking the question? It's incredibly obvious from ISD's replies that if the 2 alts in question are in established corps, posts from them will be left alone.
If an alt is in a n00bcorp or a set-up-specifically-to-post-crap corp, it'll be blatted.
But if the standard is "not in a noob corp" then why was Anille Kole's post not cleaned from this page:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369854&page=6
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Ulynidd
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Posted - 2006.07.26 21:35:00 -
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Locking this now.
Please do not create another thread about this.
Doing so would be discussing moderation and we dont want that now do we.
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