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gu o	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:25:00 - [1] As the title gives away I was really hoping for a drone ship. As it is now we have more than enough laser/tanker ship (too many infact) and 3 or so good ships (arbi and tech II variations) A drone ship would have rocked, Amarr could finally get a little ballance in their ships. I have read lots of post about how Caldari "really needed a great fleet ship the raven/scorp was just not fit for that roll" and they weren't I am glad Caldari is now "ballanced". Minmatar's new battleship is solid sounding as well. a shield bonus and fit 8 art cannons...wow that should do well IMO. the temp could not really fit 1400's and missiles with boost to damage and have any tank at all. their ships are pretty well complete now. Gal wow that ship will tear close range...I am worried about that thing it will without doubt be ace at murdering people close range. But that leaves the abbadon... as is was said "it can either gank or tank but not both" to be honest it really will not "gank" with the cap drain it will be hard to shoot for more than a minute or so. But boosters are always an aid I guess. Well as I was trying to say I would have truely loved a ship that had the ability to do many things not just one. And honestly anyone who flys Amarr... you can back me here when I say the arbi is the best T1 crusier we have... Too bad it did not get bigger
Electric Cucumber Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:28:00 - [2] Meh it would just be a golden domi...
gu o	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:34:00 - [3] Originally by: Electric Cucumber Meh it would just be a golden domi... Whats wrong with that? when does a domi loose in a fight against a geddon/apoc? not very hard to kill geddon/apoc but a bugger to drop a domi.
Clavius XIV Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:40:00 - [4] As much as I like the Arbi, a drone boat would have been a bad idea, as there already is a bs drone boat. The Abbadon idea is a nice one... get more damage with sacrifice of tremendous a amount of cap (cap boosters as ammo), but the numbers folks are coming up with 14% more damage for 100% more cap may not be worth it. Here's to hoping it has a base 2000 cargo capacity.
gu o	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:46:00 - [5] Naa forget that...Ill just go around ganking abbadons in my domi then...one nos will ace that thing soo bad let alone 4. The domi needs a rival in a bad way. why should Amarr not bring that to the table? in reality the abbadon will not do as much "ganking" as people think. anyone who armour tanks is safe. If you shield tank unhardend then your dumb and need to die. I meen the 3 eam@ with comp skills has made resistances soo high that its not even worth shooting lasers at people. you might as well launch all 5 heavy drones from you geddon and nos/nuet the crap outta them. but hey thats just a bia oppinion from a drone lover who happens to favor Amarr ship style over everyone else's
Cpt Abestos	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Clavius XIV As much as I like the Arbi, a drone boat would have been a bad idea, as there already is a bs drone boat. The Abbadon idea is a nice one... get more damage with sacrifice of tremendous a amount of cap (cap boosters as ammo), but the numbers folks are coming up with 14% more damage for 100% more cap may not be worth it. Here's to hoping it has a base 2000 cargo capacity. you might end up with less than 14% more dmg if it has a 75m3 drone bay .
Eximius Josari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:04:00 - [7] Most people dont seem to see it now, but the Abaddon will make a good gank ship while still being alright at tanking. Resists make for more cap efficient tanks after all. Cap Injectors will be standard on it.
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:13:00 - [8] Originally by: gu o As the title gives away I was really hoping for a drone ship. As it is now we have more than enough laser/tanker ship (too many infact) and 3 or so good ships (arbi and tech II variations) A drone ship would have rocked, Amarr could finally get a little ballance in their ships. I have read lots of post about how Caldari "really needed a great fleet ship the raven/scorp was just not fit for that roll" and they weren't I am glad Caldari is now "ballanced". Minmatar's new battleship is solid sounding as well. a shield bonus and fit 8 art cannons...wow that should do well IMO. the temp could not really fit 1400's and missiles with boost to damage and have any tank at all. their ships are pretty well complete now. Gal wow that ship will tear close range...I am worried about that thing it will without doubt be ace at murdering people close range. But that leaves the abbadon... as is was said "it can either gank or tank but not both" to be honest it really will not "gank" with the cap drain it will be hard to shoot for more than a minute or so. But boosters are always an aid I guess. Well as I was trying to say I would have truely loved a ship that had the ability to do many things not just one. And honestly anyone who flys Amarr... you can back me here when I say the arbi is the best T1 crusier we have... Too bad it did not get bigger There is already an ongoing post on this subject... your idea does not warrant a new post, even if you think your idea is uber and will fix all your problems. If you don't like the abaddon, don't fly it. I will fly it, and I will love it. Quote: And honestly anyone who flys Amarr... you can back me here when I say the arbi is the best T1 crusier we have... Too bad it did not get bigger Honestly the arbitrator is only the best t1 cruiser for non-specced amarr characters who somehow trained amarr cruiser by accident and like ECM or other lameness. Most Amarr specced people will not have good drone skills compared to gunnery.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:38:00 - [9] Most old-time amarr specced ppl have good drone skills because of geddon...
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Most old-time amarr specced ppl have good drone skills because of geddon... ... Originally by: Dixon Most Amarr specced people will not have good drone skills compared to gunnery.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:44:00 - [11] I wonder... are you from ppl who would scream "give sacri lazor damage bonus" and then dont use it? Cause it is the same with abaddon. Most amarr users agree that this ship is not worth the hassle yet some (like you) still say it is good. When it gets to the game you will buy 1-2 and then revert back to cheaper/better ones thus leaving yet another broken ship ingame. It seems to me that the situation is almost identical like with sacri before...
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Deva Blackfire I wonder... are you from ppl who would scream "give sacri lazor damage bonus" and then dont use it? Cause it is the same with abaddon. Most amarr users agree that this ship is not worth the hassle yet some (like you) still say it is good. When it gets to the game you will buy 1-2 and then revert back to cheaper/better ones thus leaving yet another broken ship ingame. It seems to me that the situation is almost identical like with sacri before... I am the kind of guy who thinks the abaddon should be allowed to be released before it's deemed worthless by negative nancies (like you). I would love to atleast try it and I trust the devs to test the ship on sisi before throwing it on tranq. And I actually do use lasers on my Sacrilege...
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:55:00 - [13] So i was right... cause training missiles was too much... As for Abaddon - true. Ill wait for it to hit Sisi cause i'd like to test some setups i have on my mind. But from the looks of it (and you can do much out of game) it doesnt look to be worth the money.
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.26 02:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Deva Blackfire So i was right... cause training missiles was too much... What were you right about? Originally by: Deva Blackfire As for Abaddon - true. Ill wait for it to hit Sisi cause i'd like to test some setups i have on my mind. But from the looks of it (and you can do much out of game) it doesnt look to be worth the money. The only statistics currently available to you are the bonuses and a short description given by Tux. Everything else will be an estimate on your behalf...
Emeline Cabernet Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 02:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Eximius Josari Most people dont seem to see it now, but the Abaddon will make a good gank ship while still being alright at tanking. Resists make for more cap efficient tanks after all. Cap Injectors will be standard on it. its not out even, and cap injectors to run guns is standard already for any setup..yah sounds great.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 02:22:00 - [16] Abbadon will be a beast. If you want a domi... get a domi. After the gallente get their drone BC there shouldn't be anymore t1 drone ships. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Weirda Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 02:40:00 - [17] Weirda kind of hoping that the Tier 2 Battlecruiser will be Amarr drone boat. That would be very nice. __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 02:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Weirda Weirda kind of hoping that the Tier 2 Battlecruiser will be Amarr drone boat. That would be very nice. EON4 stated abby might get damage + tank (but not both at the same time) Also same EON4 says that new amarr BC might get ROF+damage (accent on might)
gu o	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Abbadon will be a beast. If you want a domi... get a domi. After the gallente get their drone BC there shouldn't be anymore t1 drone ships. bah why domi...i like Amarr ships they look great. The domi looks like sh1t... and the geddon has a good drone bay so why would amarr not learn drone skills? the curse/pilgrim? are they not reliant on their drones? Big, scary, sharp teeth (insert scary, angry bear here)like that. I must be the scarriest carebear ever...
Ather Ialeas Viziam	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:24:00 - [20] Meh. Abaddon with the following bonuses would've been really interesting: -10% smartbomb cap usage/level -10% smartbomb rof/level +5% smartbomb damage/level Now THAT would've been something completely different. ________________________________________________ Originally by: Nidhoggur How could I possibly be wrong, using the figures directly from Eve?
gu o	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:26:00 - [21] I am not trying to come off as ***ed about the new bs's They all seem fun and cool. the only issue I have with them is that I had heard "they are not going to be super pwn all ships but jsut a different approach for all the races" I had figured that amarr would get something different for a change and was really excited. but low-and-behold another laser or tanker. be real in fleet a guy with a retarded good tank still lasts all of what 15-25secs. not to mention a "tank" ship is not primary target. but hey I am not very old so don't listen to me all too much (but a little cannot hurt) Big, scary, sharp teeth (insert scary, angry bear here)*like that. I must be the scarriest carebear ever...
Etherios Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:43:00 - [22] they gave us the best fleet BS in the game and we cry ... no i want my solo drone ship that is better looking than a Dominix OUUUAAA ... gimme my drones .... While we are on that ... lets loose all the turret points and put missiles and say 5-6 meds and 3-4 lows... who needs to armor tank Amarr look better in shield tanks... Hope all u ppl understand that if all races have all ships the game will be dead. Just the grafix will change like most mmorpgs out there... True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
Agent2 Holtze Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Most old-time amarr specced ppl have good drone skills because of geddon... TII drones 4tw Posting and you!
gu o	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Etherios they gave us the best fleet BS in the game and we cry ... no i want my solo drone ship that is better looking than a Dominix OUUUAAA ... gimme my drones .... While we are on that ... lets loose all the turret points and put missiles and say 5-6 meds and 3-4 lows... who needs to armor tank Amarr look better in shield tanks... Hope all u ppl understand that if all races have all ships the game will be dead. Just the grafix will change like most mmorpgs out there... you are right that if all races have everything it will be the end of EvE. But I ask you "might we remove all caldri before EvE falls appart, they have everything" Best NPC/Mission ship-Check Best E-War ship-Check Fleet rail sniper-Check So whats missing from their lineup? oh a domi (still have carrier for that jsut like everyone else) Big, scary, sharp teeth (insert scary, angry bear here)like that. I must be the scarriest carebear ever...
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Etherios they gave us the best fleet BS in the game and we cry ... no i want my solo drone ship that is better looking than a Dominix Ummm hope you know that both amarr BS are GOOD fleet BS already. Why do you need another one? Also do you think all pvp is abt fleet combat? Cause this is imo the most boring part of PvP atm (warp at 200 snipe, warp away - WOW!).
gu o	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Etherios they gave us the best fleet BS in the game and we cry ... no i want my solo drone ship that is better looking than a Dominix Ummm hope you know that both amarr BS are GOOD fleet BS already. Why do you need another one? Also do you think all pvp is abt fleet combat? Cause this is imo the most boring part of PvP atm (warp at 200 snipe, warp away - WOW!). /signed but why don't we need another fleet ship..h3ll maybe 5 more would make it better -looses all 5 battle ships to a nos domi -breaks out personal domi and rapes other domi Big, scary, sharp teeth (insert scary, angry bear here)like that. I must be the scarriest carebear ever...
Krulla Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:26:00 - [27] The Abbadon will be a beast. It'll be like a geddon, but better. So what if it'll have cap problems? Guess what? That's the idea!! Amarrians are getting the perfect gankship, one that will even rival the Geddon, and you people still whine?
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:30:00 - [28] Balance the nix first
Aramendel	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:34:00 - [29] Edited by: Aramendel on 26/07/2006 18:44:41 Originally by: Krulla ..Amarrians are getting the perfect gankship, one that will even rival the Geddon, and you people still whine? Well, the idea was that the tier 3 are something to add more diversity to the racial fleets. I mean, look at the caldari and minnie ones. Both these will add an distinctive new flavour which wasn't there before. The gallente tier3 will most likely take away the blaster role from the mega, but the mega was already a very versatile ship and will still keep it's place as sniper with rails. Amarr get yet another gank/tankship. With lasers it will deal slightly more damage than the geddon (although at a high price), with projectiles it will outtank the apoc. It does add nothing new, at best it will be simply a more effective variation/replacement for the older amarr BS.
Krulla Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 19:20:00 - [30] Edited by: Krulla on 26/07/2006 19:22:46 The problem with adding something new and unique is, Amarrians are a very one sided race. You either Gank or you Tank. They couldn't really have added a BS version of a Arbi, as the Arbi is a bit of a freak and a amarr drone BS would be silly. I think the Abbadon will be fine. It'll be gimped for PvE due to it's horrible cap problems, meaning the apoc will still be the PvE god, but for PvP it'll be a beast. Also, according to someone's damage sheet, Abbadon with tachs (Tachabdon?) is the highest long range DPS ship up to about 200km. It won't replace the Geddon either, as it will most likely be about twice the price of a Geddon, so the Geddon will still be the ship of choice for throwaway ganks. Originally by: Cohkka Hm, how about a split weapon system, Khanid style? 8 hi-slots 4/4 split weaponsystem, 5 med slots, 7 lowslots Not sure on the bonuses. Launcher rof and laser dmg bonus don't sound very Khanid like but it would do more damage than a Typhoon and be very versitale with 5 med slots. Obviously not as good in the speed and agility department. And give Apoc res bonus. I think I speak for just about every single Amarr BS user when I say.. NO THANKS.

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