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Zedutchman
The Miners of Hyperion
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Posted - 2014.11.16 22:05:16 -
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onions2 wrote:
or an ore counter on your strip miners so that you can turn it off at exactly the right second so you don't waste any valuable time.
personally I don't see any reason NOT to have one of those.....
Your telling me that a civilization with tech so advanced they can create a Hybrid Mining laser/tractor beam that can harvest a CUBIC KILOMETER of ore in less than 2 mins at a distance of 15 KM. Can't make a heads up display that can do simple division?
Hell I have one of those now.... IN MY F-ing CAR, and if i tell it how much i paid for the gas, it'll even tell me how much i'm spending as i drive. Yet , i can't get one in my pretend ultra advanced space ship......
REALLY CCP..... Just REALLY
logistics is another matter all together, but i'm just talking about a UI mod that I could code in about 10 mins... And I'm the worst programmer I know.
When current HUD tech is better than what your given in a Sci-FI game... Your game is getting too damn old. |
Zedutchman
The Miners of Hyperion
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Posted - 2014.11.22 14:24:26 -
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Doddy wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Welcome to the free market.
People have over supplied the market for the highends, and under-supplied the lowends.
So the lowends are worth more than you'd have thought they were. Supply and demand has far less effect than CCP setting the mineral amounts for things. CCP have continually pushed up the value of low end minerals and pushed down the value of high ends since release through either changing mineral amounts or creating new things with the amounts out of whack. Truth is ccp has either been incompetent in this regard for 10 years or it is deliberate policy. Either way pointing it out in this forum is perfectly valid.
Yes and no.....
On one hand yes it is CCP's problem, as the null-sec grav belts have caused an unintended market flux. They are great ways to get tons of top mats, and tons of low-low mats,but leave a gap in the middle.... So the highend-high-sec ores.... Kernite.... Pyro..... Plag..... Anything with MEX in it are HUGE right now. and everything else is in the tank....
Second issue.... Code's war on high sec is driving down supply even further on those ores, while the current state of 0.0 politics is making it very easy to mine in what is supposed to be "extremely dangerous" space.
Now eventually this will fix itself.... As eventually the prices for high-sec ores would cause the 0.0 guys to give up on the anoms and just mine the static belts for MEX, until the prices right themselves.... However A change like that takes a great deal more time than the market situation that drives it.
it takes days and weeks to feel and impact at the market level... However changing the ways people play a game is likely to take a great deal more time. |
Zedutchman
The Miners of Hyperion
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Posted - 2014.12.02 13:32:07 -
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I don't think the shortage is going to be massive..... Although i DO Think we'll see a spike when the some of the IS boxer fleets are no more. Although those are more likely to effect ice prices than Ore prices... As Ore fleets take more microing anyway... So the change is less likely to chase them off.
I don't expect any more than 10% though(after the dust settles) More likely to see a price drop immediately afterwards from over-speculation. |
Zedutchman
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Posted - 2014.12.07 18:12:52 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:
The point is not the refusal to go into the belts. The point is that if you look at the numbers, going to the belt in null is always a significant net loss, especially if you have multiple miners. Until a major change is made by CCP, it will always be more efficient to strip out null anomalies and import missing minerals from high sec (or just not mine at all, since mining income is still abysmally low).
That's just it though.....
Your not going into static belts because it's not worth it....
If it's not worth it to change your play style then it's not really broken. It's just annoying.
Now.... If Mex prices get to 2x or 3x times what they are now..... THEN we might see some shifts in player behavior. Until then just pay the high-sec miners. It's not like they are getting too rich smashing belts in .8 space.
The other solution I would propose is to make mining WAY more active so it can't be effectively multi-boxed, but that'll never happen.
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Zedutchman
The Miners of Hyperion
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Posted - 2014.12.08 14:20:30 -
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Snagletooth Johnson wrote:two miners are in a belt mining ore A. One miner says to the other "I can't beleive how much the price of ore A has dropped. Ore b is worth more then ore A now." Second miner looks at the first miner and says "ore B is worth more then ore A?"
"Yea, by a lot now. CCP needs to fix this immedialty, it's cutting into my profit!"
The second miner then truns off his strip tool on ore A, and then proceeds to mine ore B right next to it "Yea, CCP don't need to fix nothing, Im gonna do fine, you just keep on keeping on over there"
If the market is shifting, shift with it or die.
That would be true if Eve was a real sandbox and resources were equally distributed.....
The problem is that the game is designed so that everything in the game has it's rarity based on location.
However due to null-sec politics and anomaly mechanics you've now have a situation where what's supposed to be Ultra rare ores are being harvested almost non-stop by huge multi-boxed fleets with little or no harassment.
You've got insane amount of megacyte and mophite being mined to exhaustion every single day, so they'll respawn tomorrow.
There are currently 92 mil worth of sell orders for Mega up, but only 34 mil moved yesterday. To compare that to Trit where there are 8.4 bil sell orders up and 15.1 bil trit moved yesterday..... You can see there is WAY TO MUCH MEGA on the market and even more that people are just hording because the prices are so low.
Now you can say that the market will correct it self eventually.... which is true... but the problem is that the game is designed so that A,B,C ore is super ultra rare and that it's the pinnacle of what miners should be trying for, risking super dangerous space.... Not on AFK farm by fleets of 15 Rouq boosted hulks.
There are a lot of things that are to blame( ease of multiboxing, Sov null space, Mining Mechanics, Anomaly mechanics) but at the end of the day SOMETHING does need to be done. As currently one of the fundamental principles of the game( risk and reward) is just not true for one of the games core professions. |
Zedutchman
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Posted - 2014.12.09 11:57:46 -
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Lady Rift wrote:
Please stop calling ABC's super rare. They are in most null sec system and all wh systems. purple loot is super rare ABC's aren't
That's my point.... They are SUPPOSED to be super-rare..... and arn't.... at all. |
Zedutchman
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Posted - 2014.12.09 16:14:16 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:
This is the ultimate fallacy of your argument. The one cool thing (maybe the only one) about mining is how closely tied to the market it is.
Miners should not be trying to reach a pinnacle for some specific ore like ABC ores. They should be mining whatever is the most profitable at that moment.
ie, if high ends are oversupplied and miners are not shifting their focus, continuing to flood the market with high ends, that isn't the games fault.
Again that WOULD be true if resources were distributed equally throughout the game world. However the game is designed so that.
High < Low < Null with WH's stuck somewhere in the middle of those.
Your income in any given activity is supposed to be tied directly to risk and difficulty of said activity. That is the most important precept of eve... That risk and reward go hand in hand.
Right now.... For mining. It doesn't.
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Zedutchman
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Posted - 2014.12.14 14:47:48 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Another suggestion in terms of pricing/demand/supply : In RL and thinking in terms of the wool and milk trade, although there are probably other examples, when prices have collapsed in the past the stock was destroyed rather than take it to the market. Would it be an option to 'trash' excess amounts of high end minerals that had been mined to keep stocks lower and hence prices stable or higher 
It's a little diffrent in EvE as there are no commodities that "expire". You can just store them forever and wait for a price reversal.
I'm guessing that's what most people are doing atm.
The problem is that there arn't that many high-end minerals being consumed. And some of those stock-piles are really..... really big. Like months and months worth of all the Mega and zydrain that's consumed in the whole game.
I'd be VERY interested to see how much megacyte and arkanor are just setting in stations. My guess is that it's about a years worth of supply for the whole Eve-verse.
If CCP doesn't step in soon the market for high-ends is going to be ruined for years to come. |
Zedutchman
Freakingz
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Posted - 2014.12.24 20:42:37 -
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The problem isn't with the market and it isn't with supply and demand. Having all the huge null fleets "mine something else" wont help either. The problem is with mining, with risk and reward, and with Sov null space.
1. Mining is too easy..... It's to passive, it's too dull, and it's too easy to multibox. Even with the current state of the market, with an orca boost, and mining one of the mex ores in high-sec. Your still only making about 20mil an hour if you can get your down time to 0.. Which is terrible compared to everything else in the game.
However, People still mine anyway.... Lots of them, all the time, because you don't even have to be playing eve. I can start up my hulk, fly to a belt, and start sucking-up ore while playing SSFIV and still make 15mil an hour. There are fleets of multi-boxed ships HUGE ones with 15+ ships that people run everyday.... Not because mining is useful, or valuable, but because it's literally passive isk gain. You can make money, and don't have to do anything.
I can mine while I clean my house, do the dishes, study, play dota. I can mine while i'm at work... Hell with a remote desktop app on my phone i could mine while driving..... Because I don't only have to be paying attention for about 5 seconds every 6 mins.
There should be NO activity in eve that you can micromanage 15 ships at once. EVER. ISBOX or no.
2. Sov null is too safe. The sheer amount of megacyte and zydrain flooding the market is proof enough of that. Your safer mining anoms in null than you are in a 1.0 system in high-sec while mining. Which is ludicrous in all sorts of ways.
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