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Kyringer
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Posted - 2006.07.26 01:57:00 -
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ok I'm not the a veteran of eve by any means but i will say i have been playing for a few months now and done my fair share of research on the game everywhere possible to figure out different setups and such or ways to do things in the game... And one things that I'm very dissapointed in is the lack of explenation of the actual rules in the game... No where on this site have i been able to find actual set in stone rules of engagement for a war... it would be nice to know these type of things especially seeing as my corp is in a war as we speak... There is no definetive answer on whether you can gang with someone from outside your corp and have them help you while in High sec. space without getting taken out by concord. many have said its ok to do that, but just as many i have talked to or research etc... have said the opposite.. am i missing something on this site? Do i have to read the source code of each page to find an actual rule book for things like this as i go? A little more explenation on the "actual" rules is all i ask.. It seems my time on here and many others i've talked to is a trial and error thing.. if anyone can point me in the right direction i would be much appreciative. I don't understand why most important aspects of the game have to be learned from other members (Tribal Knowledge) rather then a faq or the forums both of which btw havn't been to helpful in a lot of instances. I love playin eve, but I feel its lacking in that area and i could enjoy it so much more if things were made more clear to its players. anyways i guess i'm done ranting about this. does anyone else feel this way?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:03:00 -
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Paragraphs!
Remind me about The Maze.
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Kyringer
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:06:00 -
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if you don't have anything useful to say then why even respond? please don't even bother if your just going to critisize. It really turns people off from trying to get help and such on the forums and in game when people do that.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:09:00 -
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That was meant to help you, no-one will give a rats ass in the way of helping you when you cannot even present the supposed problem in a readable manner. To me your jibberish is an insult and a waste of my time, I'm sure others see it the same way.
How's that for helpful?
Remind me about The Maze.
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Kyringer
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:11:00 -
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Not really that helpful at all, you didn't adress any of the context, just the way it appeared. And if thats jibberish to you, you must have reading problems or something. though you do seem to type just fine... guess i was right again though. you can't find good help anywhere for this game.
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Serrat Nightchill
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:12:00 -
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I have to agree, the wall-of-text hurts my eyes!
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Jinx Barker
Gallente Federal Bank
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:13:00 -
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I agree with Danton... and to be nice and help you a little I have done this:
 Originally by: Kyringer
ok I'm not the a veteran of eve by any means but i will say i have been playing for a few months now and done my fair share of research on the game everywhere possible to figure out different setups and such or ways to do things in the game...
And one things that I'm very dissapointed in is the lack of explenation of the actual rules in the game... No where on this site have i been able to find actual set in stone rules of engagement for a war... it would be nice to know these type of things especially seeing as my corp is in a war as we speak...
There is no definetive answer on whether you can gang with someone from outside your corp and have them help you while in High sec. space without getting taken out by concord. many have said its ok to do that, but just as many i have talked to or research etc... have said the opposite.. am i missing something on this site? Do i have to read the source code of each page to find an actual rule book for things like this as i go?
A little more explenation on the "actual" rules is all i ask.. It seems my time on here and many others i've talked to is a trial and error thing.. if anyone can point me in the right direction i would be much appreciative. I don't understand why most important aspects of the game have to be learned from other members (Tribal Knowledge) rather then a faq or the forums both of which btw havn't been to helpful in a lot of instances.
I love playin eve, but I feel its lacking in that area and i could enjoy it so much more if things were made more clear to its players. anyways i guess i'm done ranting about this. does anyone else feel this way?
I did not correct anything other than divide your post into more readable chunks.
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Kyringer
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:15:00 -
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thanks Jinx I appreciate it :) I don't try and come off sounding mad or anything, its just that response kinda goes along with my post,
It's just so hard to find accurate help and rules on this game without being critsized.
oh well thanks again gents.
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Korad Konstentyn
Shadowdancers Digital Press
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: Korad Konstentyn on 26/07/2006 02:15:40
Originally by: Kyringer
No where on this site have i been able to find actual set in stone rules of engagement for a war... it would be nice to know these type of things especially seeing as my corp is in a war as we speak... There is no definetive answer on whether you can gang with someone from outside your corp and have them help you while in High sec
see that message box you get when you recieve a gang invitation? it spells out specifically what you're asking here, might try reading it sometime.
and yes, finding new stuff out is part of the charm of the game. For instance, the tutorial doesnt explain cynosural fields, alliances, or a whole host of other stuff. Frankly, although CCP has admitted they havent done the best job of keeping up with distributing information instead of just letting players figure things out for themselves, the factor it does create this need for tribal knowledge (eloquent term there, I like) goes a long way to improving the need for community and corpmembers working together, it's a good thing.
google 'EVE Wiki', it's got a lot of good off-site resources.
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Blind Man
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:17:00 -
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there are no rules, only what you can and can't do :)
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Kyringer
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Korad Konstentyn
Edited by: Korad Konstentyn on 26/07/2006 02:15:40
Originally by: Kyringer
No where on this site have i been able to find actual set in stone rules of engagement for a war... it would be nice to know these type of things especially seeing as my corp is in a war as we speak... There is no definetive answer on whether you can gang with someone from outside your corp and have them help you while in High sec
see that message box you get when you recieve a gang invitation? it spells out specifically what you're asking here, might try reading it sometime.
and yes, finding new stuff out is part of the charm of the game. For instance, the tutorial doesnt explain cynosural fields, alliances, or a whole host of other stuff. Frankly, although CCP has admitted they havent done the best job of keeping up with distributing information instead of just letting players figure things out for themselves, the factor it does create this need for tribal knowledge (eloquent term there, I like) goes a long way to improving the need for community and corpmembers working together, it's a good thing.
google 'EVE Wiki', it's got a lot of good off-site resources.
Yeah i've heard of that gang message before but its been disputed to me before, that if they are in high sec space with you and in your gang, they will get hit by concord if they attack the member of the other corp that their corp isn't at war with if that makes any sense... (sorry I'm a bit flustered with work atm)
um as for the Tribal Knowledge term, yeah it was used heaviely in my field of work while i was in the Navy. It was similair to this where somethings you had to learn as you go and no definitve set of rules in some areas.
I guess I just like things in plain ol' Black and White sometimes. It sure makes things easier to understand at times. well thanks again
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2006.07.26 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kyringer
does anyone else feel this way?
If there was a complete manual, it would be the size of encyclopedia brittanica, and probably out of date by the time they finished building it. Then, no one would read it and post questions on the forum anyway, despite it being documented. A new player wouldn't even understand what they're reading.
Think of it like this. Is there a rule book for life? This game is just about as complicated, barring the pets, children, disease, and spouses. It's got everything else, including taxes, death, drugs (though you can't take them yet) and speed traps.
And for god's sake, use paragraphs when you post if you expect answers that are helpful. Help those who have to read your post.
-Kal
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.07.26 06:04:00 -
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I heard CCP were looking at building an Eve Wiki instead of a manual since there is just so much in Eve. Until they get round to that I think there is an unofficial one. I forget the URL, probably eve-wiki.com or similar. Try google.
The best way at the moment is certainly to try it and see. Maybe use an alt for this where you can. Otherwise ask in help or the appropriate forum.
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Kerosene
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:41:00 -
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You know what? I'd consider myself to be knowledgable of the technicalities of eve and the various rules and formulas... but I've no frigging clue about ganging with someone who has a war. I think that basically if you assist your gangmate by shield boosting, remote sensor boosting or whatever then you become a legitimate target for the enemy. I don't think you can fire first. I don't think he can fire on you until you do something to aid your gangmate. I'm not sure if you appear as flashing red on the overview by aiding your gang mate.
I'm sorry I can't be more help but as I say, I've no first hand experience of this.
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Originally by: Galaxian
I'd like to add that as a penalty for warping out, Chowdown recieved a /heal0 from the devs, and his ship promptly exploded.
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Fly Catcher
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:46:00 -
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I've not done it but as it has been explained to me many times (and how the gang warning reads):
 If you gang with someone at war, the people he is at war with can shoot you BUT you can't shoot them until they fire on you
The people he is at war with have no way of telling you are in his gang
Just to be sure on this - if you shoot his war target in high sec you will be concorded, let them fire on you (not him, you) first.
This isn't in the manual because it's so badly implemented the manual writer has to go to the devs and say 'are you sure?' every time he tries to put it in 
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Damien Smith on 26/07/2006 10:49:45
If you're in a gang with a player who is at war (person 1), you are fair game to anyone at war with your gang mate (person 2) so long as you're in that gang.
That being said, you have no rights to attack person 2 (the gangmates war target) unless he fires on you first.
To recap - they can shoot you if you're ganged with a person they're at war with. You cannot shoot them until you're fired upon.
Edit: Damn, beaten to it..
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Wanoah
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:31:00 -
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The rules are complex, and even after someone explains them carefully, I still find myself going, 'huh?' Furthermore, you don't want to be puzzling it out when you might be about to get into a fight, or after a couple of beers.
So, what's the answer? Spend time setting up your overview so that it is absolutely crystal clear who you can shoot at at any given time. I set war targets to be orange and flashing, and I set people with a sec status of -5 or worse to be red and flashing. That way, no matter what the circumstances or the reasons, I know I can shoot the flashy people any time, anywhere. No thinking or reasoning required.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:36:00 -
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for anyone wanting to try this set 2 alt corps have 1 dec on the other (ie 2 corp mates)
now log in each player who is in this war (then have a 3rd person from youre corp come along and join one of the parties)
this is a simple alt versus alt war (2 one man corps) use t1 frigs now have player 1 and ringin 1 shoot at player 2 (u will soon test out and find out what the ROE are)
problem solved but it seems u can be in gang be shot at then respond but not before.
Might change or be improved with factional warfare
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