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Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:56:00 - [1] I am sick of them!! Got clocked twice on the same stretch of road (early morning, dual carriageway, no traffic, long open stretch). 79 mph & 80 mph!!! And they say they are not revenue earners!!
Mitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 14:02:00 - [2] Originally by: Salusa VC 79 mph & 80 mph!!! Does not compute. Complaining about UK Speed cameras. Posting your mph. Dont the UK use KM instead of miles?
Alexi Borizkova Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 14:20:00 - [3] Originally by: Salusa VC I am sick of them!! Got clocked twice on the same stretch of road (early morning, dual carriageway, no traffic, long open stretch). 79 mph & 80 mph!!! And they say they are not revenue earners!! Simple solution, cease breaking your nation's laws. In Corporate Caldari, taxes pay YOU.
LoxyRider Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.26 14:29:00 - [4] Originally by: Mitten Originally by: Salusa VC 79 mph & 80 mph!!! Does not compute. Complaining about UK Speed cameras. Posting your mph. Dont the UK use KM instead of miles? No we use mph so it computes fine.
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2006.07.26 14:45:00 - [5] 1. We use MPH in the UK, we aren't shudder Europeans... 2. Stop speeding, then you won't get caught by speed cameras.
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:22:00 - [6] You miss the point... I am not contending I was speeding. My point is how are two mobile camera's within 3 miles of each other on a clear stretch of road contibuting to road safety? Would it not be better off locating them at accident blackspots? Or maybe its just an easy way to get cash from fines?
Alexi Borizkova Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:29:00 - [7] Answer me this, after getting hit twice, are you planning on doing much more speeding? Hit people in the wallet enough times, threaten to do it more, and they will cease breaking the law. Next most effective deterant beside public capital punishment, with the wonderful side effect of generating revenue. In Corporate Caldari, taxes pay YOU.
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:32:00 - [8] People who complain about speed cameras, are just as bad as burglers who complain about barbed wire. You broke the law, you got caught, deal with it. If you want to have increased speed limits then write to your MP or something.
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Salusa VC My point is how are two mobile camera's within 3 miles of each other on a clear stretch of road contibuting to road safety? By making people slow down around there, reducing speeding and thus decreasing the potential for it to become an accident blackspot? Or maybe because a lot of people see 3 miles of clear road as a 'whatever the ** you want MPH' sign and they know they'll be speeding down there, so they can get points on their lisence and get them off the road. Sorry, but people habitually breaking road traffic laws REALLY **s me off
Sakura Yoshimitsu	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:22:00 - [10] I run over baby seals in my snowcat, while speeding.
Yoshimako	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:25:00 - [11] lol. Its harsh, i havent been caught yet, somehow. I really wouldnt worry about it tho m8. In the even u get so many points u get banned u can still carry on driving.
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:32:00 - [12] Edited by: Salusa VC on 26/07/2006 16:33:29 Originally by: Yoshimako lol. Its harsh, i havent been caught yet, somehow. I really wouldnt worry about it tho m8. In the even u get so many points u get banned u can still carry on driving. I just named my missus as the rider. She can take the points. Full face helmet ftw Lets see all the do-gooders throw a hissy over that...
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:32:00 - [13] Originally by: IkvarBy making people slow down around there, reducing speeding and thus decreasing the potential for it to become an accident blackspot? [/quote doesnt work like that, i live in north wales which i riddled with camera's and the local cheif copper is known as the mad mullah of the traffic taliban, and since they have started to increase the numbers of speed cameras the numbers of deaths on local roads has increased significantly not decreased
Malicious Afterthought PRIDE OF THE BLACK JOKE	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:44:00 - [14] Edited by: Malicious Afterthought on 26/07/2006 16:57:01 An associate of mine was radar gunned by a policeman hiding behind a sign, at EEK! mph whilst being late to catch a ferry. They weren't stopped, but are watching the post very carefully at the moment. Apparently, it's a 6-8 week wait from a hand held device, according to a man down the pub. Although, the fact that bikes don't have number plates on the front is a good thing, they are wondering if the policeman wrote down the plate as they went past. EDIT: I think the use of speed cameras is by and large a good one, especially on bits of road that are known to be dangerous. I can think of several around this area that would benefit from ones, most notably on blind bends, so people would slow down for them. However, maybe a better speed awareness regeime would be in the event of someone passing them their test, give them they keys to a sports car and an open airfield and let it get it out of their system, then and there.
DirtyHarry Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:44:00 - [15] Edited by: DirtyHarry on 26/07/2006 16:45:08 Originally by: Salusa VC I am sick of them!! Got clocked twice on the same stretch of road (early morning, dual carriageway, no traffic, long open stretch). 79 mph & 80 mph!!! And they say they are not revenue earners!! Will you speed on that stretch of road again? most likely NO (unless you like fines and points on your licence) Have they done their job in stopping idiots (yes I called you an idiot) speeding in that area, YES Jobs a good en Havocide - DirtyHarry
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.07.26 17:50:00 - [16] Edited by: Salusa VC on 26/07/2006 17:50:29 Originally by: DirtyHarry Will you speed on that stretch of road again? most likely NO (unless you like fines and points on your licence) Have they done their job in stopping idiots (yes I called you an idiot) speeding in that area, YES Jobs a good en[/quote No, I will now religously watch my speedo, whilst not paying any attention to what is going on around me. Afterall, 9mph over the limit is really dangerous on an open road with no traffic about. If you think going 9mph over the speed limit (in a 70 zone) makes me an "idiot", then you obviously have very little driving/riding experience. By your definition the vast majority of road users are idiots.
DirtyHarry Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:01:00 - [17] Its called a speed LIMIT for a reason, as in the maximum you should be going on that road. It does not mean you should travel at 70, im sure going at 60 would have been more wise to ensure you didnt go over the limit? Havocide - DirtyHarry
Lardarz B'stard Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:08:00 - [18] There is legislation in place that says that speed cameras can only be placed in areas classed as having a history of accidents or injuries. Many police forces seem to interpret "having a history of accidents" as meaning " a little old lady stubbed her toe on the kerb once" though. I hate speed cameras. I advocate attacking them with an axe. Not sure how it is possible to not see them though - they stick out like a sore thumb. Exiles Recruitment
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard There is legislation in place that says that speed cameras can only be placed in areas classed as having a history of accidents or injuries. i believe prescott has changed the law on this? last i heard was that plod can now hide the cameras whereever they like behind bushes ect
Lardarz B'stard Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:20:00 - [20] Originally by: solidshot Originally by: Lardarz B'stard There is legislation in place that says that speed cameras can only be placed in areas classed as having a history of accidents or injuries. i believe prescott has changed the law on this? last i heard was that plod can now hide the cameras whereever they like behind bushes ect They can use the mobile ones for that. The gatsos have to be visible. And it was Stephen Ladyman that got the bill passed. Exiles Recruitment
Gothikia Regeneration Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:34:00 - [21] Yep ****es me off, but simple solution if your car (and in my case, a van) is old enough, just get some powertools, some batteries, scraps of aluminium and make your very own licence plate masker :D (my plate just flips up 180 degrees to show the back and even passed its mot, hahah) Regeneration - Homosexuals more than welcome!
Top Hat Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:53:00 - [22] Edited by: Top Hat on 26/07/2006 18:53:42 ****in forums!
Top Hat Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:53:00 - [23] You managed to get caught twice on the same stretch of road, with no other cars around, were you asleep or are you just stupid? If you cant spot a speed camera / mobile van, then you shouldnt be on the road, it shows your awareness is poor, considering they stick out like a sore thumb, and to not see them on a quiet straight stretch of road is even worse. If you did spot them, your brakes are there for a reason. Speed cameras are evil I wont deny that, and I support the burning of them, just make sure you keep your eyes open in future.
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.07.26 19:59:00 - [24] Edited by: Salusa VC on 26/07/2006 20:01:40 Originally by: Top Hat You managed to get caught twice on the same stretch of road, with no other cars around, were you asleep or are you just stupid? If you cant spot a speed camera / mobile van, then you shouldnt be on the road, it shows your awareness is poor, considering they stick out like a sore thumb, and to not see them on a quiet straight stretch of road is even worse. If you did spot them, your brakes are there for a reason. Speed cameras are evil I wont deny that, and I support the burning of them, just make sure you keep your eyes open in future. Fair point but.... I have since found out that they can place them on the opposite carriageway and zap traffic from both directions. I did not know that. I suspect the first one I was zapped from a bridge with a concealed unit, 2nd one I have no idea. I know for a fact that that are no fixed camera's there. Anyway it all turns out to be a moot point. Turns out they have to issue NIP within 14 days of the offence. Mine were issued and dated 19 days so no hopefully no prosecution Thanks to the peeps at PePiPoo for this info...
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 20:02:00 - [25] If you are speeding, you get pwned. Thats how it works. If you don't want to be, don't speed. I failed my driving test for speeding
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.07.26 20:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Salusa VC No, I will now religously watch my speedo, whilst not paying any attention to what is going on around me. Afterall, 9mph over the limit is really dangerous on an open road with no traffic about. If you think going 9mph over the speed limit (in a 70 zone) makes me an "idiot", then you obviously have very little driving/riding experience. You're telling us that you're such a woefully incompetent driver you can't even judge your OWN speed, let alone anybody else's? And you want SYMPATHY? The sooner you are banned for life, the better for everyone. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 20:20:00 - [27] I drive over 70 on dual carriageways fairly regularly, but I do watch out for cameras. Even so, I know it's not smart. Don't speed, mkay? btw, large macdonalds cups fit snugly over the lens.
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.07.26 21:12:00 - [28] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Salusa VC If you think people blindly stick to 70mph speed limits then you live on a different planet. No, they don't stick to them, and definetely not blindly. They look for speed cameras TouchT
Alexi Borizkova Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 21:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Salusa VC Edited by: Salusa VC on 26/07/2006 21:06:35 If you think people blindly stick to 70mph speed limits then you live on a different planet. Originally by: Salusa VC If you think going 9mph over the speed limit (in a 70 zone) makes me an "idiot", then you obviously have very little driving/riding experience. By your definition the vast majority of road users are idiots. "But everyone else must be doing it, see, I am!" Is not a justification for breaking the law. Being able to monitor your speed as well as drive safely is a prerequisite for use of dangerous motor vehicles. This is like calling cameras in a store catching shoplifters "entrapment". "No, really officer, they put up all these cameras around, and then had stuff, just lying on shelves with prices on them, it was a trap!" Fact is, speed limits are for your own good, and all the other people on the road, for the ones that don't understand that they have to punish you as if you were a small child being spanked for wandering into the road, just to keep you and others safe. In Corporate Caldari, taxes pay YOU.
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2006.07.26 22:37:00 - [30] I'm glad to have not been caught speeding for several years now, since I now basically don't speed for the most part. I think like everyone i have occasionally exceeded the speed limit but even then it's rare and not around cameras. Despite not being that bothered by them on a day to day basis, I do not like the sheer number that are in use. It was acceptable when they were used at accident hot spots in my opinion, as then it really can make a difference to road accidents and deaths which sadly occur. Since the income proved quite considerable, local governments however have seen fit to throw speed, bus lane and myriad other cameras on any stretch they can fit one. There's one in Camden in London that has singly earned the borough over ú135k since it was placed there. It's a little farcical now, but us Brits are sadly inclined to complain about things, not do anything about it, not bother voting and then blaming others. If any other European country's local governments tried this with their citizens, the cameras would be mailed back to the town halls in pieces with a clearly worded letter suggesting the same might happen to the recipient of said letter if they tried it again ------------- My T2 Shop
Lunaticdie04 Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.26 23:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Gothikia Edited by: Gothikia on 26/07/2006 18:34:42 Yep ****es me off, but simple solution if your car (and in my case, a van) is old enough, just get some powertools, some batteries, scraps of aluminium and a small electric motor from a toy car and make your very own licence plate masker :D (my plate just flips up 180 degrees to show the back and even passed its mot, hahah) Pictures :D I joined BoB and all I got was this crappy sign 族
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 23:26:00 - [32] Here is my problem with speed cameras: They punish the wrong people. They can't make a judgement call like a traffic cop can, and I would rather have more cops than cameras. Example: I could drive down the motorway at a constant 65, weaving between traffic, tail-gating, intimidating other drivers, and generally making the road more dangerous. Speed camera doesn't care. Also speed camera campaigns reinforce the dumb slogan "Speed Kills", and people start to believe it. Speed doesn't kill - inappropriate speed does - more specifically, hitting stuff kills. I used to race motorcycles, and often did well over twice the motorway speed limit - I never died. A speed camera doesn't protect anyone. If a section of road is such an accident blackspot, do something about it. Where I live you get loads of signs warning you sections of roads which have accidents, and list the number of accidents and casualties over the last few months. That makes a difference, because you don't want to be added to the total. Speed cameras are a way to generate revenue, whilst looking to be 'doing the right thing'. It is a joke. If you want to stop people driving badly you need people who can spot dangerous drivers, not a box that just clocks speed. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.07.26 23:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Avon Here is my problem with speed cameras: They punish the wrong people. They can't make a judgement call like a traffic cop can, and I would rather have more cops than cameras. ...... Speed cameras are a way to generate revenue... ...which can pay for more cops. In any event, the answer to all those who dislike speed cameras and their revenue-raising characteristics is a very simple one. Just deny them any revenue, by not breaking the speed limit. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.07.26 23:34:00 - [34] Originally by: KingsGambit I'm glad to have not been caught speeding for several years now, since I now basically don't speed for the most part. I think like everyone i have occasionally exceeded the speed limit but even then it's rare and not around cameras. Which is why cameras should be hidden. What on earth is the point of letting break the law everywhere EXCEPT where they can see a camera? Or better still, the new system coming in where they're all linked - if you reach the one 2 miles down the road, less than 2 minutes later, it knows you were going over 60, no matter what speed it clocked you at. When it's impossible to break the speed limit ANYWHERE without being clobbered by a camera, then we might, finally, have people start paying attention. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 23:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Avon Here is my problem with speed cameras: They punish the wrong people. They can't make a judgement call like a traffic cop can, and I would rather have more cops than cameras. ...... Speed cameras are a way to generate revenue... ...which can pay for more cops. But it doesn't - it pays for more cameras. If it did I would be all for it, but since the introduction of speed cameras the number of traffic police has declined. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 23:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr When it's impossible to break the speed limit ANYWHERE without being clobbered by a camera, then we might, finally, have people start paying attention. Yeah, but to their speedo, not their driving. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.07.26 23:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Baldour Ngarr When it's impossible to break the speed limit ANYWHERE without being clobbered by a camera, then we might, finally, have people start paying attention. Yeah, but to their speedo, not their driving. If you don't know what speed you're doing without watching the speedo, you shouldn't even be allowed on the roads. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 23:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Avon Originally by: Baldour Ngarr When it's impossible to break the speed limit ANYWHERE without being clobbered by a camera, then we might, finally, have people start paying attention. Yeah, but to their speedo, not their driving. If you don't know what speed you're doing without watching the speedo, you shouldn't even be allowed on the roads. Well, I have never been done for speeding, so I guess I am okay at it. How are all your cameras going to deal with legal speeding? (and it does exist) The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.07.26 23:48:00 - [39] Originally by: Avon How are all your cameras going to deal with legal speeding? (and it does exist) The same way they already do, I should think. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 23:50:00 - [40] Edited by: Avon on 26/07/2006 23:51:44 Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Avon How are all your cameras going to deal with legal speeding? (and it does exist) The same way they already do, I should think. But they don't, they can't. Example: I could travel down a specs controled section of road (that is the average speed cameras you talk about), in a 60 limit. I could have an average speed of 62, and still not have broken the law. The cameras wouldn't know that though, and I would be prosecuted. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.27 01:16:00 - [41] As long as you keep your speed over 270km/h the cameras wont see ****. You can also get info about where the cameras location are on the web and just slow down when you are close to one. Imo speed cameras are not there to keep the road safe, they are there to catch speeders. Most of the cameras I've seen are placed on places where you have good sight a big road and no one lives in that area. It's lucky tho that we have big signs telling us that from this point there are speed cameras on the road. People drive fast because it gives them a thrill but it's also dangerous and when people that are not the best drivers speed it can end very badly. Although, there are alot of drivers that don't speed but still are in accidents way to often because they are really crap drivers and they make it really dangerous for other people on the road.(like my GF ) It would be awsome if the cameras could detect crappy drivers overall so they got of the road and took the bus/train instead. In conclusion, speed doesn't kill, crapy drivers and mistakes do. You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Tsavong Lah Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 01:43:00 - [42] I'm sick of them too. Thankfully I've never been caught (touch wood) although tbh I rarely speed (only late at night when there are no people around, and then usually only in areas without places where people are likely to be). To be honest, gatsos are there to make money. It's glaringly obvious to everyone, but still people try to say they're doing good. IMHO, there should be a Gatso outside every school in the UK (yes, every single one), and there sholdn't be any in 60/70 zones. There should be more patrol cars though (in towns and "A" roads, not on motorways). I think the UK motorways should take a few lessons from the Autobahn system - cars are designed to work at speeds higher than when the 70 limit was introduced, and are not only much safer for the driver/passengers, they stop faster too (yay, disc brakes). I do think that if they did this UK licensing should include mechanics and first aid like in Germany. As it is now, everyone (nearly) speeds, and only slows down when there are other cars/people around, or the possibility of a camers. I'll freely attest that I've done over 120mph in my trusty focus, but I did it on a vast empty stretch of road (m6 toll ftw) and had I seen a single car in the journey, I would've slowed down. I'll also freely attest that I know people who have been in serious road accidents (and have been in a minor one myself, susprisingly when I was travelling way below the speed limit and a foreign driver caused a crash due to poor awareness). The bottom line is that speed isn't the be-all and end-all of road accidents, most are caused by people not concentrating or being aware of their surroundings. Taking people's money does not make them more intelligent, it just ****es them off. I would gladly pay another tenner a year on road tax if it meant an end to Gatsos and more traffic police. I got a jar or dirt!
Hellraiza666 Regeneration Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.27 01:54:00 - [43] Theres actually a group on the internet who go around wrecking spee cameras clarkson was on about it, said the best way was to put that builders foam stuff into the hole in the back, it expands and wrecks the camera from the inside. Death to cameras w00t to speeding.
Yolan Stupid People Always Need Killing E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.07.27 05:02:00 - [44] Speeding isnt dangerous, not driving at an appropriate speed for the conditions at the time is dangerous. I live in a very rural area and virtually every accident I have seen or heard off has been caused by somone overtaking in a stupid place or driving too fast in the wet. I have yet to hear of an accident because someone was speeding on a dry day in clear visibility on an open stretch of road.
Shaikar Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.27 05:50:00 - [45] Edited by: Shaikar on 27/07/2006 05:50:42 Speeding is illegal. You broke the law. You were a criminal. You were caught and punished. Welcome to civilisation. /edit though you should win points back if you have Bond like revolving number plates
voogru Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.27 05:52:00 - [46] I heard that if you drive backwards, the speed camera's wont catch you. So if you want to speed, speed backwards.
Crumplecorn Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.27 08:09:00 - [47] Given the pro-camera arguments, things must be better in the UK than in Ireland. It's like a game for the cops over here, where can I hide with my speed camera? They are winning when you never realise you were caught because that way it doesn't actually slow you down and they continue to make money off you. This concept of cameras which can be seen doing their thing and may actually convince people to slow down confuses and bewilders me. But I don't really care because I don't drive, it just annoys me in principle ----------
Rodj Blake Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.27 08:26:00 - [48] Not only was the OP breaking the speed limit, he wasn't sufficiently aware that the cameras were about. Yes, I sometimes break the speed limit. But the one time I was caught by the camera, I didn't complain to anyone. It was a fair cop, guv. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Yes, speed cameras are a bit lame and they probably are there to earn revenue. But if people didn't speed so much, they wouldn't be there. My one big gripe with cameras is that the police seem to think that they're sufficient to do the job and don't go out so much in their patrol cars to catch the really dangerous drivers - the drunks and mobile phone users. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Rodj Blake Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.27 08:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 26/07/2006 23:51:44 Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Avon How are all your cameras going to deal with legal speeding? (and it does exist) The same way they already do, I should think. But they don't, they can't. Example: I could travel down a specs controled section of road (that is the average speed cameras you talk about), in a 60 limit. I could have an average speed of 62, and still not have broken the law. The cameras wouldn't know that though, and I would be prosecuted. You might not be. Some police forces (certainly in Hampshire) don't prosecute unless you're doing at least 10% over the limit. Some forces (Essex in particular) take great delight in dishing out fines. I believe that they hold the record for most fines dished out in one day from one camera (it was in the middle of roadworks on the M11 a few years back). Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 10:35:00 - [50] Yeah, but Rodj, I think you are missing my point. I could (theoretically), average 45 in a 40, and still not be breaking the law. The cameras would still do me. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Hellraiza666 Regeneration Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.27 10:48:00 - [51] What sucks is that they are never going to take them down cause of the revenue they make. Hey didnt the goverment guy for roads/motor chief thingy say he got caught speeding when he came on top gear iirc?
Alexi Borizkova Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 11:47:00 - [52] I just still can't wrap my mind around the "mechanisms in place to punish criminals for breaking the law is a bad thing" mentality. Unless of course it is being touted by criminals, then it makes perfect sense, I'd want to do whatever I wanted and get away with it too if I was a social deviant. In Corporate Caldari, taxes pay YOU.
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 12:50:00 - [53] Originally by: Alexi Borizkova I just still can't wrap my mind around the "mechanisms in place to punish criminals for breaking the law is a bad thing" mentality. Unless of course it is being touted by criminals, then it makes perfect sense, I'd want to do whatever I wanted and get away with it too if I was a social deviant. I have no problem with criminals being punished. I do, however, have a problem with dangerous road users being less likely to be caught because the focus is not on policing, but on cameras. The highway code states that when overtaking you must do so 'quickly', and it is perfectly legal to go faster than the speed limit whilst overtaking, so long as you return to the limit as soon as it is safe to do so. A speed camera could catch me just as I pull in, but still in excess of the speed limit, and it would judge me a criminal. On a specs controlled stretch of road this could lead to my average speed being higher then the speed limit, and yet I have broken no laws. Cameras can not do the work of the police, because they just monitor speed, but can not judge if it is appropriate. Also, often speed cameras appear in areas where the speed limit is set too low. There is a huge study in to the dangers of inappropriately low speed limits, and even a rather interesting coroners report in to how low speed limits have contributed to fatal road accidents. Making people drive more slowly does not automatically make them more careful, and sometimes it has the opposite effect. Also, it is worth remembering when claiming that cameras are good because they catch criminals, what exactly is the law for? Is it to protect society from danger, or to impose limits on society in general? Example: There is a stretch of country road near me which has a very reasonable 50mph speed limit. Along that road there is a village which had an edge-to-edge 30mph speed limit, and traffic calming measures. Recently the 30mph limit has been extended 2.2miles from the edge of the village out in to the country, along a stretch of road with no reported incidents in the last 2 years. Who does this limit serve? There are no junctions, no houses, no tricky driving conditions, no pedestrians (there is a footpath off the road, on the other side of a hedge). When questioned, the local authorities said that the limit was appropriate because speed is a contributary factor in 70% of road accidents. Two weeks later a speed camera appeared in the newly extended 30 limit. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Peter Armstrong Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 13:33:00 - [54] well u been cought speeding so deal with it. Whats the point coming on here complaining about speeding tickets? u speed u get a ticket and how the hell u missed the YELLOW BOX!? if i havent seen that then u shouldnt drive!! its hard to miss it geez!! Are you sure you want to log out ? AND NO I DONT now its the 14th time!! to post this comment DAMMIT!
Garvey Ba'har Honey Carriers Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.27 13:45:00 - [55] Edited by: Garvey Ba''har on 27/07/2006 13:48:54 Edited by: Garvey Ba''har on 27/07/2006 13:46:22 Originally by: Peter Armstrong well u been cought speeding so deal with it. Whats the point coming on here complaining about speeding tickets? u speed u get a ticket and how the hell u missed the YELLOW BOX!? if i havent seen that then u shouldnt drive!! its hard to miss it geez!! I think the key word was MOBILE UNIT, so many variants Whilst these are mostly visible and easy to spot, some forces like to hide behind hedges, signs, on top of bridges, blind spots etc. Interesting Link
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 15:44:00 - [56] To those saying "you broke the law, stop complaining": Speed limits are often excessively low. In my town there is a wide dual carriageway which used to have a 40 mph limit. One fine day, with no consultation that I ever heard of and no justification in terms of accidents, the limit was dropped to 30 - and a few weeks later the cameras arrived. Every day now, one sees a constellation of red lights as the traffic comes up to the camera, and bursts of blue smoke from the exhausts as they clear the area. Yes, you should be able to judge your speed - but not in absolute terms. What feels fast on a narrow street feels like a crawl on a wide road - a fact based on human visual physiology and not alterable. Additionally, 50mph on a wide, straight road is probably safer than 20mph on a narrow street with kids playing on it - but which gets you nicked? The police deliberately place their mobile cameras in places calculated to catch more drivers. Example; a local road has, along its length, a hill which is the highest in town, Cars tend to speed up slightly when going downhill, and preventing this requires gluing your eyes to the speedo. The cops regularly place a mobile camera on this stretch - of course, it's right at the bottom, where the traffic will be fastest. Equally of course, this means two trained police officers sitting in a car for 4 hours nailing motorists, while the real nutters (drunk drivers, those in grossly unsafe and unroadworthy vehicles, tailgaters, the list is endless) get away scot free because the cops are busy nailing people going 3mph over the limit. Equally of course, this means that police time is spent servicing the cameras, and less time spent on the roads looking for the really dangerous drivers mentioned above; to say nothing of other criminals.It is quite common, too, for a fixed camera to be "accidentally" concealed by being around a blind bend, behind a tree that is "accidentally" not cut back properly, conncealed "accidentally" by another road sign doing something like pointing to the local pool, etc. If road safety and not revenue is the issue, why do the cops regularly prosecute people for warning others of speed traps? Doesn't this make the one being warned slow down, which is supposed to be the point? If I was prosecuted for this, I would say that I was warning approaching drivers of a hazard ahead (which is perfectly legal and in fact encouraged), the hazard being large numbers of drivers ahead slamming on the brakes in an attempt not to get nicked for speeding. The real issue here is that motorists are a sitting target - at least, the generally law-abiding ones are, those who have known addresses and pay their insurance. It makes police figures look good, and gives the police something to point at and say what they are doing for public safety while, at night in most towns, the area turns into a war zone. of course, doing something about that might mean policemen getting hurt, and we can't have that, can we? Much better to nail motorists and keep the fines money coming in. One last point; the motorway limit was brought in in about 1970, when most cars were struggling to reach 70mph and had much worse brakes and suspension than is the norm now. In my opinion, and that of many others including the AA, the limit now ought to be at least 85 - a speed at which most vehicles are now perfectly comfortable. If you are within the limit and still driving dangerously (65mph in heavy rain and spray, for example), there are already laws to deal with that - providing of course that enough cops can be spared from servicing cameras to do something about it. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." ----------------------------------------------
Ozzie Asrail Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.27 16:17:00 - [57] Speed cameras are a joke. I cant belive so many peole here are for them. They have had anything from a negligable to a negative impact on road safty in the UK despite massive rollouts of 1000's of camera and millions of fines are who knows how many people affected with points or bans. -----
Psymon R	Posted - 2006.07.27 16:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr When it's impossible to break the speed limit ANYWHERE without being clobbered by a camera, then we might, finally, have people start paying attention. As Avon said it's perfectly legal to exceed the speed limit to overtake, as long as it is safe to do so. If a system were to be brought in that if you exceeded the limit at any time then what would happen is you wouldn't be able to overtake people doing less than the speed limit as easily / safely... If you are venturing onto the "wrong" side of the road it is far safer to get past quickly (as well as requiring a shorter stretch of road). This sort of situation is where the discretion of the police officer comes in. I'd be happier to be pulled over by a cop for speeding rather than getting snapped by an anonymous camera as having the police's actual physical presence on the roads is needed to catch a whole lot of other driving misdemeanours. I do think that some people need educating in the acutal speed limits, a lot of people seem to think that a national speed limit dual carriageway has a limit of 60mph on it (rather than the actual 70), I have in the past been in traffic moving at probs 70-75mph that was passing a camera... where people slowed down to just below 60 to "avoid getting caught"! Also an increase in the motorway speed limit to at least 80 would be useful (for the most part you're unlikely to get pulled by the police doing 80mph on a national speed limit section of motorway anyway) perhaps with a minimum speed limit as well (applicable when traffic is free flowing)... If you're unhappy doing any more than 40 mph on a motorway, then stick to alternative routes! At the end of the day however it's good to live in County Durham... no fixed speed cameras! The local police force doesn't believe in them (instead preferring to use mobile units in certain accident blackspots). That said the pay and display tickets in Durham sometimes have the motto "speed + corner = accident" on the back, which is a pointless statement, without speed you won't make it round the corner! (Excessive speed would have been more appropriate)
Verone	Posted - 2006.07.27 16:48:00 - [59] Originally by: Salusa VC My point is how are two mobile camera's within 3 miles of each other on a clear stretch of road contibuting to road safety? Define "Clear". You could be hurtling down your "Clear" strech of road and have a blow out, or an animal jump in front of you. At the end of the day it's amazing how many people think they're Micheal Schumacher on england's public roads and end up killing or injuring themselves or someone else. The people I feel sorry for are the ones who are following the law and are hit by these idiots. To be honest the legal age to drive should be upped to 21 in our country, because there's too many kids barreling around in Vauxhall Corsas with bean tins hanging off the back thinking they're Damon frigging Hill. And just for clarification, yes I've had the old yellow peril through the door once, when I was late for work and clocked at 92mph on the motorway at 5am. It tought me not to mess around and potentially put people's lives at risk. I agree with Ikvar here, people who deliberately and constantly break traffic laws, then have the total lack of common sense to complain when the system catches them annoy the hell out of me. VETO RECRUITMENT
Verone	Posted - 2006.07.27 16:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Psymon R At the end of the day however it's good to live in County Durham... no fixed speed cameras! The local police force doesn't believe in them (instead preferring to use mobile units in certain accident blackspots). Yeah, I'm from County Durham too, and I agree with this method of deploying them. A lot more effective IMO. VETO RECRUITMENT
GouldFish Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.27 16:57:00 - [61] You know the funny thing, back when the cameras were first being put in the fine was ú50, the cost to get that money was ú60. The police were loosing ú10 on each person they got witht he speed cam.
Taaketa Frist Information Science Security Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:25:00 - [62] Edited by: Taaketa Frist on 27/07/2006 20:30:20 At 20 mph your stopping distance including thinking distance is roughly 40 ft. (12 m). At 70 mph your stopping distance including thinking distance is roughly 315 ft. (96 m). Quite a difference isn't there? Also heres a fact that A LOT people don't know. At 35mph you are twice as likely to kill someone as you are at 30mph. Attitudes to speeding * 84% of people disapprove of speeding yet 69% do it. * Over 70% of drivers in one study admitted to speeding (Stradling) and in other studies (Webster & Wells) the figure was 85%. * TNS Survey results show what we really think of our other half's driving - and many of us are scared and angered when our partners speed. * The study reveals that among passengers over 60% believe that driving too fast increases the chances that their partner will crash. And emotions run high: Slowdown -------------- Dang nabit
Hellraiza666 Regeneration Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:52:00 - [63] Originally by: Taaketa Frist Edited by: Taaketa Frist on 27/07/2006 20:30:20 At 20 mph your stopping distance including thinking distance is roughly 40 ft. (12 m). At 70 mph your stopping distance including thinking distance is roughly 315 ft. (96 m). Quite a difference isn't there? Also heres a fact that A LOT people don't know. At 35mph you are twice as likely to kill someone as you are at 30mph. Attitudes to speeding * 84% of people disapprove of speeding yet 69% do it. * Over 70% of drivers in one study admitted to speeding (Stradling) and in other studies (Webster & Wells) the figure was 85%. * TNS Survey results show what we really think of our other half's driving - and many of us are scared and angered when our partners speed. * The study reveals that among passengers over 60% believe that driving too fast increases the chances that their partner will crash. And emotions run high: Slowdown who cares? speed 4tw. Power Power Power. I cant believe so many of you are for speed cameras?
shivan Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:30:00 - [64] I got clocked twice in one day as well, once by a stationary camara that I knew was there but had forgotten and another on my way home from Luton where my GF lives at 3am doing 94.4 MPH. Cooper said that if I was doing 95 it would of gone to court. Anyhow, to the point, 5 minutes later I was doing 105mph. ----------------------------- Need a new sig. Mail me with offers and ideas. 50mill isk to the sig that I use.
shivan Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:31:00 - [65] Oh and in response to the above studies, if people ask me to slow down I do, and generaly when other people are in my car I do drive slower. ----------------------------- Need a new sig. Mail me with offers and ideas. 50mill isk to the sig that I use.
Alexi Borizkova Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:35:00 - [66] Originally by: Hellraiza666 Power Power Power. I cant believe so many of you are for speed cameras? Probably because most of them don't speed, so it is money not coming out of their pockets. That, and I personally think they are hilarious. In Corporate Caldari, taxes pay YOU.

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