I find it funny that you're whining about people ruining the game by whining. Should the devs not listen to you either?

how do you go figure there no such thing as an insta lock tornado? put Sensor boosters on it... wow... that was hard.

anyways my incident happend on DOCKING 1 you can't dock cloaked and 2 theres a good 5-10 seconds between landing and docking

Then you're not docking properly. It should be a good 0 seconds between landing and docking.

you know i've never in my entirely life seen such a Toxic, hostile, hateful comunity then Eve online

i once thought League of Legends comunity was Toxic.... it dosn't hold a wick to Eve's even in the slightest.

id like to point out i never once say anything about nerf this or buff that i just asked a simple question.

Because game mechanics. The time it takes between the end of locking invulnerability and docking up is 0 GÇö it happens in the same server tick. The time it takes between the ship appearing after decloak, becoming vulnerable to locking, the player manages to click the target, the target actually locking, is 1GÇô2 server ticks. +1 if the ganker is even slightly off on his weapon activation.

Filling every last midslot with sensor boosters gives the Tornado a ~1s lock time on anything cruiser-sized and above, getting closer to 2 seconds for frigates. It does not instalock. It takes a full server tick after all the other information has been sent to the ganker (which is itself another server tick), and then he has to actually manage to fire as well.

Then you're not docking properly. It should be a good 0 seconds between landing and docking.

You warp to your off-axis, negative-range bookmark. You set the station as your destination. You activate autopilot while in warp. You do not under any circumstances turn off your cloak. Instantly on finishing warp, the autopilot activates, and since you are dozens of kilometres inside the docking radius, the docking itself will also happen instantly when the autopilot demands it.

So there's your error. Another one, going on a small detail in your description, is that you're futzing around with half a billion worth of cargo in Jita while there are war targets around. If the GǣgankerGǥ scooped the loot, he wasn't actually a ganker at allGǪ

May I ?

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But it involves BRRAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIINNNNNNNSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

i've got nothing to add to your first quote as for the second. this is the first im hearing of this off axis negative bookmark do you mean bookmarking "inside" the station and warping to that? as i was warping from gate to jita dock. thats it nothing special other then a cloak.

Perhaps I should expand. By "whiners" I'm talking about the very vocal minority that's always screaming nerf this, nerf that, buff me, make this game easier, make me safer in the game..... on and on and on

Was it really necessary to spell that out for you?

Ugh. Brains schmains. Your method is effort. Why go through all that trouble when we have bookmarks and auto-dock?

you know i've never in my entirely life seen such a Toxic, hostile, hateful comunity then Eve online

i once thought League of Legends comunity was Toxic.... it dosn't hold a wick to Eve's even in the slightest.

id like to point out i never once say anything about nerf this or buff that i just asked a simple question.

I've found that there are more decent, mature people in this community than in most of the kiddie games out there. I have often been helped and educated by complete strangers, solely out of the kindness of their heart, and/or their inclination to pass on some of their knowledge. Often right here, in these "toxic" forums.



Oh at least be honest, it was a whine in the form of a question.

"Mommy, how come I don't get a candybar in my lunchbox like my friend Billy does? *pout*"

"Mommy, how come I don't get a candybar in my lunchbox like my friend Billy does? *pout*"

I didn't know that the AP actually instadocks!

Wow, I learned something from a freighter pilot! :D

Cool! :D

I believe that a quaddrio formaggio actually works together with a proper red wine!
Never tried it out though!

The autopilot spams docking commands, perhaps not as often as it can, but definitely as soon as it can. This means that as soon as your warp is complete, the AP sends a docking request, and that part is handled server-side so the command often triggers before the client has been informed that it has arrived. The transition should be pretty much seamless.

The difference between the GÇ£as oftenGÇ¥ and GÇ£as soonGÇ¥ behaviour is readily observable if you try to use the AP to get past a Jita poplock: you can spam the jump button far faster than it can so you'll get in quicker manually, but on the other hand, the AP can activate sooner after warp than you can. Since the GÇ£remote dock/jumpGÇ¥ command includes a slight pause these days to give cloaks and the like time to deactivate, I'd say that an AP-triggered jump actually beats that as well.

I've been thinking of giving this a try.

you know i've never in my entirely life seen such a Toxic, hostile, hateful comunity then Eve online

i once thought League of Legends comunity was Toxic.... it dosn't hold a wick to Eve's even in the slightest.

id like to point out i never once say anything about nerf this or buff that i just asked a simple question.

I will test this extensively!

So often I desperately needed to pee while in space ...
... and had to wait until I reached the station ....................................


NEVER AGAIN!


Thanks! :D

in referance to the link i posted you can't dock and be cloaked at the same time so if someones waiting at the station a bit off your landing spot when you warp to 0 on a station in an Instalock Nado how is that not at least partly an exploit? there is no way you can be truly "safe" in high sec when these types of tactic's are used. i personally have been a victim of this almost exploit.

Viator attempting to dock at Jita gets instapoped by a instalock nado, ganker loot scoops and makes 30m profit while im out 600m

I can't speak for anything else, but the worst examples of this kind of crap that I've ever seen have been hidden underneath "concern" or "questions".

Especially seeing as you did not just ask a simple question. Your entire OP is full of attacks against the very concept of ganking, and any other non consensual PvP, to the point of calling it an exploit, and when a freaking Dev comes in to say that "yes, we think this is fine", you call it "spewing a bunch of crap".

So I have absolutely no problem whatsoever telling you that you're playing the wrong game, that your kind of "player" is not wanted here.

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TL;DR: You are not EVE's target audience.

but that dosn't answer my question as to why is CCP ok with this?

my only problem with this game is how a good chunk of the player base essentally gets off on the masochistic side of it a side for a good portion i don't participate in.

toxic

With non consensual PvP?

I'll answer to the best of my knowledge.

EVE was devised by people who were sorry to see the destruction of Ultima Online. Ultima Online was a game that had near total player freedom, to a degree that even EVE does not possess.

It had non consensual PvP, also. In fact it was a large feature of the game. But somewhere along the line, the developers of Ultima Online bought into the now oft repeated lie that they could bring in more "casual players" if only they did away with PvP.

So they split their server in two, creating Trammel, which means "handcuffs". In Trammel, PvP was basically impossible barring hilariously unlikely aggro tricks.

Trammel killed Ultima Online. Because it destroyed player freedom, which was disastrous. Within months the game was functionally dead.

So, the guys who designed EVE having fled Ultima Online because of this, determined not to make the same mistake. They allowed non consensual PvP, they valued player freedom, and they did not sell their core playerbase up the river for the sake of a purely theoretical increase in casuals.

So, in short, non consensual PvP exists because it is the purest form of player freedom, and player freedom is not only worth protecting, but it's the founding principle of EVE Online in the first place.






You mean sadist. Masochism is enjoyment of self harm.

Although I suppose that could certainly apply to miners.

you know i've never in my entirely life seen such a Toxic, hostile, hateful comunity then Eve online

i once thought League of Legends comunity was Toxic.... it dosn't hold a wick to Eve's even in the slightest.

id like to point out i never once say anything about nerf this or buff that i just asked a simple question.

Thank you for an actual answer to the question but please call it what it is its suicide ganking. Non consent pvp in my opinion is more for a situation where you're in a Wh or something and get ganked while running PVE sites. or even Wardec's in my honest opinion this is diffrent from both of thoes situation's but maybe its not to CCP.

yes you are correct my bad.

You're toxic.

You're toxic.