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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:23:00 -
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Please discuss issues related to this session in this thread. We look forward to your comments and suggestions.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
396
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:34:00 -
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Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.
This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.
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Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
47
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:55:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
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i like that. |
Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
121
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:57:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.
This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.
Honestly while I'm in favor of this...it would prevent freedom of the player driven market. |
Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
7
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:57:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.
This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.
You'd also reopen the doors to RMT people. Patience is a very rare commodity online. |
David Xavier
The Scope
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:03:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
You'd also reopen the doors to RMT people. Patience is a very rare commodity online.
How would not being able to re-sell a PLEX after buying it on the in-game market make RMT people more active ?
I don't suffer from insanity..
I enjoy it ! |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
125
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:04:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.
This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.
in that case you can remove plex from the game and use the timecode forum to buy GTC for ISK.
i would like more control on manipulation, but you're going way too far. |
Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
7
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:14:00 -
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David Xavier wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
You'd also reopen the doors to RMT people. Patience is a very rare commodity online.
How would not being able to re-sell a PLEX after buying it on the in-game market make RMT people more active ?
Remember that for everybody buying PLEX to fund their account there's somebody selling PLEX to fund their PvP (or whatever) habbit.
If you can get more ISK for your Dollar/Euro/Pound from RMT people because CCP removes supply demand mechanics from the in game market (which is what not allowing resale does) you make that option attractive to people.
If $30 gets you 700 million legally (back when PLEX was 350ish) and 1 billion illegal through RMT to some people (not me btw) the risk of a ban becomes worth it.
And now for a controversial statement; I think the interest of the people spending real world money should weigh heavier then the interest of people wanting to play for free. *zips up her flameproof suit* |
Ammutseba Gangulur
Veto.
Veto Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:20:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:David Xavier wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
You'd also reopen the doors to RMT people. Patience is a very rare commodity online.
How would not being able to re-sell a PLEX after buying it on the in-game market make RMT people more active ? Remember that for everybody buying PLEX to fund their account there's somebody selling PLEX to fund their PvP (or whatever) habbit. If you can get more ISK for your Dollar/Euro/Pound from RMT people because CCP removes supply demand mechanics from the in game market (which is what not allowing resale does) you make that option attractive to people. If $30 gets you 700 million legally (back when PLEX was 350ish) and 1 billion illegal through RMT to some people (not me btw) the risk of a ban becomes worth it. And now for a controversial statement; I think the interest of the people spending real world money should way heavier then the interest of people wanting to play for free. *zips up her flameproof suit*
Every player's opinion is valid, if they didn't play then they aren't bringing in money to CCP. Sure you may not be paying out of pocket to play if you purchase PLEX, but somebody else is so you are still a valid customer. |
Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
7
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:21:00 -
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Ammutseba Gangulur wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:David Xavier wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
You'd also reopen the doors to RMT people. Patience is a very rare commodity online.
How would not being able to re-sell a PLEX after buying it on the in-game market make RMT people more active ? Remember that for everybody buying PLEX to fund their account there's somebody selling PLEX to fund their PvP (or whatever) habbit. If you can get more ISK for your Dollar/Euro/Pound from RMT people because CCP removes supply demand mechanics from the in game market (which is what not allowing resale does) you make that option attractive to people. If $30 gets you 700 million legally (back when PLEX was 350ish) and 1 billion illegal through RMT to some people (not me btw) the risk of a ban becomes worth it. And now for a controversial statement; I think the interest of the people spending real world money should way heavier then the interest of people wanting to play for free. *zips up her flameproof suit* Every player's opinion is valid, if they didn't play then they aren't bringing in money to CCP. Sure you may not be paying out of pocket to play if you purchase PLEX, but somebody else is so you are still a valid customer.
Yes but you need your customers giving you money not a 3rd party RMT'er. |
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MNagy
Yo-Mama
Quixotic Hegemony
33
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:24:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.
This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.
I disagree with this in one a bit.
I have 2 paid by (cash) not isk accounts with eve ( i dont plex ) but I will let you know my issue below:
1 toon is the moneymaker and the other toon ist he industrialist/do all the redundant stuff.
I sometimes get toonB to purchase things for toonA or vice versa depending on where they are in the universe.
If the above suggested was to take place - it obsoletes my dummy toon for doing all the things in eve I hate (flying somewhere to buy stuff).
So you still need to "LINK" multiple accounts together. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
199
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:48:00 -
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MNagy wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.
This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.
I disagree with this in one a bit. I have 2 paid by (cash) not isk accounts with eve ( i dont plex ) but I will let you know my issue below: 1 toon is the moneymaker and the other toon ist he industrialist/do all the redundant stuff. I sometimes get toonB to purchase things for toonA or vice versa depending on where they are in the universe. If the above suggested was to take place - it obsoletes my dummy toon for doing all the things in eve I hate (flying somewhere to buy stuff). So you still need to "LINK" multiple accounts together.
Wouldn't you just transfer the ISK instead of the PLEX in this scenario?
Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Solo Player
78
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:13:00 -
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I do not remember broad opposition to PLEX in any recent discussions. Is it really an issue? If not, leave as is. |
MNagy
Yo-Mama
Quixotic Hegemony
33
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:23:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Wouldn't you just transfer the ISK instead of the PLEX in this scenario?
It all depends on who is closer to whatever I buy.
If I have 1 toon flying through Jita and one toon flying through Rens,
and I want to buy something,
The isk gets transfered regardless. But it still depends on which toon buys it and uses it. |
MNagy
Yo-Mama
Quixotic Hegemony
33
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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:25:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Wouldn't you just transfer the ISK instead of the PLEX in this scenario?
It depends where the toon is.
I could have ToonA in Jita, and ToonB in Rens.
One of them will buy an item for the other.
When they meet up by days end - items are flip flopped.
So the 'person' who bought it - itsnt ALWAYS the person who used it.
Many times ToonA is missioning while ToonB is sent around the galaxy to pick up items for me and for any other members in corp.
This scenario becomes more apparent when you spend your time and live in wormholes more often.
Many times 1 buyer (since they are going out anyway) is given a shopping list. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI
Thundering Herd
42
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:08:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time. (edit)
+1 EXCELLENT idea
Thank you.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
2
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:17:00 -
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Eh, I'm more in favor of leaving plex alone. There are too many possible repercussions to deal with realisitically at this time, not the least of which is isk farmers. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2011.11.24 03:50:00 -
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Solo Player wrote:I do not remember broad opposition to PLEX in any recent discussions. Is it really an issue? If not, leave as is.
You missed all the whine regarding 500mil plex a few days ago.
MNagy wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Wouldn't you just transfer the ISK instead of the PLEX in this scenario?
It depends where the toon is. I could have ToonA in Jita, and ToonB in Rens. One of them will buy an item for the other. When they meet up by days end - items are flip flopped. So the 'person' who bought it - itsnt ALWAYS the person who used it. Many times ToonA is missioning while ToonB is sent around the galaxy to pick up items for me and for any other members in corp. This scenario becomes more apparent when you spend your time and live in wormholes more often. Many times 1 buyer (since they are going out anyway) is given a shopping list.
That's why you have 3 toons per account. To have them somewhere to inject plex to the account. |
MNagy
Yo-Mama
Quixotic Hegemony
33
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Posted - 2011.11.24 04:08:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:That's why you have 3 toons per account. To have them somewhere to inject plex to the account.
No I have 2 toons on 2 accounts.
As i said, I don't plex and don't intend to. But if I click on one toon and buy a plex and can't use it on my other toon on the other account I'd be peed.
I should not be forced to travel 30 jumps with the 'purchasing' toon "just because". |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
211
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Posted - 2011.11.24 05:08:00 -
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MNagy wrote:Goose99 wrote:That's why you have 3 toons per account. To have them somewhere to inject plex to the account. No I have 2 toons on 2 accounts. As i said, I don't plex and don't intend to. But if I click on one toon and buy a plex and can't use it on my other toon on the other account I'd be peed. I should not be forced to travel 30 jumps with the 'purchasing' toon "just because".
Weak excuse. Make a 3rd toon in empire, biomass it afterwards. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
1235
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:27:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.
This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.
This would have the side effect of greatly reducing liquidity in the PLEX market.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
1235
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:30:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time. (edit) +1 EXCELLENT idea Thank you.
As said above this would be a significant disadvantage for people who don't have access to market hubs. ATM I can keep 1 alt on one account in The Forge and buy PLEX for all my accounts.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:02:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time. (edit) +1 EXCELLENT idea Thank you. As said above this would be a significant disadvantage for people who don't have access to market hubs. ATM I can keep 1 alt on one account in The Forge and buy PLEX for all my accounts.
Yes, keep one alt out of 3 per account in forge for all your plex needs on that account. Face it, the "significant disadvantage" is for market players... |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
416
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:19:00 -
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You can add your plex to game time remotely from assets window no matter where it is.
In other words it is enough, if one of the characters in an account goes to corner of any region where plex is available in market. This has to be done only once in a month given that you buy only one plex at the time.
Sellers are still free to value their plex as they want and modify/cancel the sell orders.
Buyers are still free to set up buy orders or choose the place they buy their plex from.
Only real difference would be that when you do buy a plex, you commit to add it to your game time right away or later in the future. You will be unable to resell or redistribute that game time to anyone else or play market games with it.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.11.24 18:36:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:You will be unable to resell or redistribute that game time to anyone else or play market games with it.
Why is this desirable? |
trexinatux
Bipedal Carnivore Club
15
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Posted - 2011.11.24 18:56:00 -
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I think we should artificially raise inflation on plex pricing...Oh, wait. 
Timothy, we found your spaceship. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
416
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Posted - 2011.11.24 19:10:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:You will be unable to resell or redistribute that game time to anyone else or play market games with it.
Why is this desirable?
Because it is game time, not scourge missile.
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Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2011.11.24 21:17:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Yeep wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:You will be unable to resell or redistribute that game time to anyone else or play market games with it.
Why is this desirable? Because it is game time, not scourge missile.
^This. Wild fluctuations in plex prices = unstable player base = bad for CCP's bottom line. |
MNagy
Yo-Mama
Quixotic Hegemony
35
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Posted - 2011.11.24 22:04:00 -
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Is it my understanding from the above posts that IF I wanted to make money on Veldspar,
I would buy a billion dollars worth of veldspar,
wait a few days
and then sell onto the market for a tad higher.
However,
It will not be permitted to buy 10 plexes - hold them till the prices goes up and then sell them?
Sandbox is a Sandbox - if you want to buy plex - you should have to pay market prices.
Even if there is some yahoo stocking up on all of them.
If I want to hold onto my melted nanoribbons for a month to make a profit - thats my choice, and the same choice ( my choice ) should be there to gobble up plex's and sell them whenever I want to sell them.
To complain that an item is too expensive in eve ( even if it is plex or any other type of item ) defeats the purpose of the sandbox idea.
I do not agree with the above suggestions ( if I am reading them correctly ) - as you are removing the 'free market' from the game. The very thing that makes the game.
What next - robotics / coolant / arkonor ? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
308
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Posted - 2011.11.24 22:30:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?
The whole point of PLEX is that it is a tradable item which the market will set a price for. The "bound to account on ISK purchase" item is the GTC. Once PLEX were introduced, the prices of PLEX and GTC increased: whether this was due to a general increase in the consumption of PLEX due to the ease of purchase, or due entirely to market manipulation is irrelevant.
It might be worth a statement from Dr. EyjoG about whether the introduction of PLEX increased the number of people buying game time with ISK. Perhaps a re-issue of the PLEX Devblog, showing purchase/use of PLEX and GTC from about three months before PLEX were introduced? Even at the time of that devblog, PLEX usage was increasing linearly over time.
The long term trending of PLEX is due to demand, not manipulation.
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