Is it my understanding from the above posts that IF I wanted to make money on Veldspar,
I would buy a billion dollars worth of veldspar,
wait a few days
and then sell onto the market for a tad higher.

However,

It will not be permitted to buy 10 plexes - hold them till the prices goes up and then sell them?

Sandbox is a Sandbox - if you want to buy plex - you should have to pay market prices.
Even if there is some yahoo stocking up on all of them.

If I want to hold onto my melted nanoribbons for a month to make a profit - thats my choice, and the same choice ( my choice ) should be there to gobble up plex's and sell them whenever I want to sell them.

To complain that an item is too expensive in eve ( even if it is plex or any other type of item ) defeats the purpose of the sandbox idea.

I do not agree with the above suggestions ( if I am reading them correctly ) - as you are removing the 'free market' from the game. The very thing that makes the game.

What next - robotics / coolant / arkonor ?

It doesn't remove free market. It removes ability to hold years of unused game time in single account just to make less game time available for others.

Bind it to account when it is bought from in game market or traded between 2 accounts by any other means and the plex can properly serve it's purpose - and only the purpose - which it was originally made to fill.

^This. Wild fluctuations in plex prices = unstable player base = bad for CCP's bottom line.

Holding PLEX in a hangar does not diminish the supply of PLEX. Check the PLEX devblog.



The purpose that PLEX was originally made to fill was to be a market-tradable item to allow the market to decide the value of game time. The format that you are suggesting is exactly the original GTC model: trade once on the forums, game time is automatically applied to the account that paid ISK for the code.

Unrelevant argument. You're confusing affordability, subscription, funding methods and pilots personal wealth to discussion about binding game time to account on purchase. That is also called derailing the actual issue.

This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.

You're confusing PLEX with game time. That's the actual issue.

PLEX are a tradable commodity, just like scourge missiles. Game time is not tradable: once it's applied to your account you can't sell it to someone else for ISK. PLEX can be used to impact the game, just like scourge missiles can be used to impact the game.

The goal of PLEX is to give someone possibility to pay someone else's game time and gain in game currency in the trade.

Only _direct_ supply and demand should apply to plex price and that happens if there is no "investors" in the equation.

Why is market manipulation a concern?

Wild fluctuations in plex prices = unstable player base = bad for CCP's bottom line.

PLEX is an item just like any other item in EVE. CCP has made it very clear back when they made them transportable and destructible. The only difference from veldspar or scourge missiles is the way in which it enters the game. After a PLEX is redeemed, it is mechanically indistinguishable from any other item. In that regard it is no different from, say, a Primae.


I liked the part where you provided proof, or at least reasons for believing so.

If I mission for 3 years straight and save up all my isk,
isnt it my right to do with it what I please?

If I want to buy 100 plex and hold onto them - thats my choice - not yours.
I earned that isk like you did and how I spend my time with my isk is nobody elses choice but mine.

If you are complaining that its not as 'cheap' to play for free becaues your plex is now more expensive, is your problem and your tears.

You may still buy 100 plex and hold onto them... in the form of added gametime on your account. You simple lose the ability to throw out those 100 plex at a later time, which would be a problem for CCP. Wild fluctuations = players quit game when it's high, then potentially crash later. It's in CCP's interest to keep plex stable. The thing rose by 100 mil the past week, then dropped 50 mil in the past 3 days.

It's in CCP's interest to keep plex stable.

[quote=Goose99]. A lot of people have been using PLEX to pay for their accounts, and seem to have developed a sense of entitlement. They expect PLEX to remain at a price that is suitable for them, rather than the seller...

Btw high prices doesnt mean more plexes are sold , if somebody wants to by a supercapital from plexes, he needs to sell less plexes if the plex price increase relative to supercap...

If this were true, CCP would peg the PLEX price at 1 ISK, and make $225 billion every time someone wants to use GTC to buy a supercarrier. EVE would have millions, maybe billions, of subscribed accounts, all subbed up to the end of the century and beyond.

My God - you're some kind of economic genius!

SOMEONE GET HILMAR TO READ THIS THREAD, NAOMI HAS JUST SAVED CCP WITH HER INSIGHT!

- Because people make profit by trading with "service", an imaginary item which can not be generated in game but what some individuals still need to stay on-line.

- Because plex can not be generated in game, normal in-game supply and demand rules do not apply.

- Because supply is limited and not in-game dependant only way to guarantee that supply/demand price stays in "correct" level is to keep investors out from the equation.

Well if you're going to imply that the supply of PLEX is inelastic with price, you should maybe reconsider whether you're the one who gets to ask other people not to be idiots.

So the real question is: what is the equilibrium price at which the most PLEX are created. I'll assume that this is the "right" price, as it allows the most number of people to play for free, and makes CCP the most money, and it's ipso facto the best price for the people who pay the money to create them as well (in terms of how much money they're willing to pay)

If the ISK price is low, then people have to buy more PLEX to buy a specific item, but they're less likely to do so.

If the ISK price is high, then people have to buy fewer PLEX to afford their Aeon or whatever, but they're more likely to do so.

I know that I personally was watching the PLEX price rise with interest, and I in fact made a decision that if they hit 600M, I would work a day of overtime and make some PLEX to sell for enough ISK that I wouldn't have to PvE for a year or so. I had no specific purchase in mind.

Unless CCP tell us how many PLEX are being created, then any attempt to say that the PLEX price is "too high" (or "too low") is, at the end of the day, just based on personal perspective and undiluted guessing. (This might be an interesting question for the CSM to put to CCP.)

So you write the same thing as i wrote. Thats something.
It is all up to CCP , so I dont even understand why there is such a topic as this , as it has no real reason, other than some ppl wants lower plex prices somehow.

stuff

Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?

In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.

This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.