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Gari Sevin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.08.29 18:37:00 -
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The crime is pretty plain vanilla. The punishment is, well, novel.
http://thevalhallaproject.info/news.html
tl;dr:
- Incursion FC makes off with another community's loot during a DDOS attack. - Other community is aghast and outraged because theft never happens in EVE. - Other community pledges to close all highsec incursions, because... whatever.
So is this:
a) sad b) funny c) sad and funny?
Discuss.
Related links: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2ed54e/isn_leadership_hoodwinks_20b_from_tvp_wrecks/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2eueac/tvp_what_are_you_thinking/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2erzsg/isn_getting_pushed_out_of_hq_incursions/?sort=new
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Tajic Kaundur
Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective
58
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Posted - 2014.08.29 18:53:00 -
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It's option C.
I'm hanging out in their chat channel right now. The tears are slowly filling the room. I might have to leave soon so I don't drown.
It's actually just like, 3 people in leadership who are mad, and the entire rest of the community going "WTF CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG I JUST WANT TO SHOOT RED CROSSES" |

Saeger1737
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
781
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:00:00 -
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Option D : stupid and who cares? |

Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1212
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:15:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Option D : stupid and who cares?
Damn you Saeger. I was writing that. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |

Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:19:00 -
[5] - Quote
Saeger1737 wrote:Option D : stupid and who cares? No offense but this is far more interesting than hearing X merc argue with Y merc about who's the better station camper.
Or carebear #43092340 asking for nerfs to ganking. |

Saeger1737
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
783
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:29:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:Option D : stupid and who cares? No offense but this is far more interesting than hearing X merc argue with Y merc about who's the better station camper. Or carebear #43092340 asking for nerfs to ganking.
So adding carebear incursion noobs just makes it all better? |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
978
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:30:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:Option D : stupid and who cares? No offense but this is far more interesting than hearing X merc argue with Y merc about who's the better station camper. Or carebear #43092340 asking for nerfs to ganking. Totally agree. I want to undock a fleet claiming to be ISN and watch TVP ruin everyone's fun! New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |

Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
739
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Posted - 2014.08.29 21:12:00 -
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While wearing a pirate patch I ask this question;
Who are the largest incursion running alliances/corporations? jack1974 > can still call me zeus :) if you want Danalee > Jack is more humble :) |

Blizzaro
Hard Knocks Inc.
8
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Posted - 2014.08.29 21:33:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:While wearing a pirate patch I ask this question;
Who are the largest incursion running alliances/corporations?
Hard Knocks Inc.
We are currently the largest incursion running corp in EVE.
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Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
739
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Posted - 2014.08.29 21:56:00 -
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Blizzaro wrote:Zeus Maximo wrote:While wearing a pirate patch I ask this question;
Who are the largest incursion running alliances/corporations? Hard Knocks Inc. We are currently the largest incursion running corp in EVE.
You fit your "incursion ships" like your fellow brethren?
Proper Armor Doctrine jack1974 > can still call me zeus :) if you want Danalee > Jack is more humble :) |

Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
383
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:00:00 -
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This won't happen if incursions only happen in low/nullsec. |

Blizzaro
Hard Knocks Inc.
9
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:26:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:Blizzaro wrote:Zeus Maximo wrote:While wearing a pirate patch I ask this question;
Who are the largest incursion running alliances/corporations? Hard Knocks Inc. We are currently the largest incursion running corp in EVE. You fit your "incursion ships" like your fellow brethren? Proper Armor Doctrine
B types? What a pikey!
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Silfron
FOREVER BLUE OCEAN
0
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:53:00 -
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Evening all
I remember when DIN was pissed. I could understand there reasons that time but i must to say i wasn`t agree with them 100%
So questions
Is this event from TVP coused by the same reasons? Is this the same situation like anno with DIN ? Now i ask myself what did i know about the event when DIN made it ? I must say can not realy tell why was DIN doing that time. Could be rage against diferent leaders, or they buthurt, or was a last drop in the glass, or whatever reason you can say more.
Since this new event started. I HEARD SOOO SOOO SOOO MANY MISSINFORMATION OR FAKE INFORMATION. Doesn`t matter if TVP will stick to there side of true
-what i know as a fact it is because i fly with them a lot-
all the time there gona be pilots who have different goals and they will try to undermine any kind of statement or true. Even with this there gona be a lot people who will say "this guy fly with them of curse he will support them" etc etc bla bla
So here why it is happening
For short answear it is last drop in a glass situation. Ok but there is 1 more thing here you guys think TVP doing this because they dont like ISN pilots. If you think this you couldn`t be more far from true. Huge part of ISN pilots i personaly think they are good guys why because they like perfection in contest and they good at it. TVP not pissed of because they lost that loot that was the last drop in that glass. So since ISN formed as INC grup there leaders mentality cosed the main problems and leaders showing examples to there grups and a bad mentality sick on people such as good ones. What happend anno with DIN if i want to make a parallel line with human body that was first bigger massage from the body somthing is wrong. Since that time the Incursion commounity as human body somehow managed to go on, but nobody was fixing it. That time TVP leaders said TVP trying to be passive and focusing making the best possible isk per hour they can do.
Now we see how far things can go something like a virus in the human body. So for all how cry like this and that i can say only 1 thing. FASTER THE BODY GET RID OF THE VIRUS FASTER IT GONA HEAL AND GO BACK TO NORMAL.
And just let`s clear things here on virus i do not mean ISN as a INC grup or ISN pilots. That attitude that behaviour just disgusting not even straight not even honour inside of it. OF CURSE OTHER PART HERE CAN SAY WHAT I CAN DO I DO IF I WANT AND YOU CAN GO TO HELL. Yes you are absolutly right I`m sure TVP DOING THE SAME. |

Damon Messer
TheWalkingDead7
47
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:57:00 -
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Silfron wrote:Evening all
I remember when DIN was pissed. I could understand there reasons that time but i must to say i wasn`t agree with them 100%
So questions
Is this event from TVP coused by the same reasons? Is this the same situation like anno with DIN ? Now i ask myself what did i know about the event when DIN made it ? I must say can not realy tell why was DIN doing that time. Could be rage against diferent leaders, or they buthurt, or was a last drop in the glass, or whatever reason you can say more.
Since this new event started. I HEARD SOOO SOOO SOOO MANY MISSINFORMATION OR FAKE INFORMATION. Doesn`t matter if TVP will stick to there side of true
-what i know as a fact it is because i fly with them a lot-
all the time there gona be pilots who have different goals and they will try to undermine any kind of statement or true. Even with this there gona be a lot people who will say "this guy fly with them of curse he will support them" etc etc bla bla
So here why it is happening
For short answear it is last drop in a glass situation. Ok but there is 1 more thing here you guys think TVP doing this because they dont like ISN pilots. If you think this you couldn`t be more far from true. Huge part of ISN pilots i personaly think they are good guys why because they like perfection in contest and they good at it. TVP not pissed of because they lost that loot that was the last drop in that glass. So since ISN formed as INC grup there leaders mentality cosed the main problems and leaders showing examples to there grups and a bad mentality sick on people such as good ones. What happend anno with DIN if i want to make a parallel line with human body that was first bigger massage from the body somthing is wrong. Since that time the Incursion commounity as human body somehow managed to go on, but nobody was fixing it. That time TVP leaders said TVP trying to be passive and focusing making the best possible isk per hour they can do.
Now we see how far things can go something like a virus in the human body. So for all how cry like this and that i can say only 1 thing. FASTER THE BODY GET RID OF THE VIRUS FASTER IT GONA HEAL AND GO BACK TO NORMAL.
And just let`s clear things here on virus i do not mean ISN as a INC grup or ISN pilots. That attitude that behaviour just disgusting not even straight not even honour inside of it. OF CURSE OTHER PART HERE CAN SAY WHAT I CAN DO I DO IF I WANT AND YOU CAN GO TO HELL. Yes you are absolutly right I`m sure TVP DOING THE SAME.
ummm what?
can someone here be a good captain and give me a tl:dr version? |

Tengu Grib
Crash N Burn Co.
333
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Posted - 2014.08.30 00:57:00 -
[15] - Quote
Silfron wrote:Evening all
I remember when DIN was pissed. I could understand there reasons that time but i must to say i wasn`t agree with them 100%
So questions
Is this event from TVP coused by the same reasons? Is this the same situation like anno with DIN ? Now i ask myself what did i know about the event when DIN made it ? I must say can not realy tell why was DIN doing that time. Could be rage against diferent leaders, or they buthurt, or was a last drop in the glass, or whatever reason you can say more.
Since this new event started. I HEARD SOOO SOOO SOOO MANY MISSINFORMATION OR FAKE INFORMATION. Doesn`t matter if TVP will stick to there side of true
-what i know as a fact it is because i fly with them a lot-
all the time there gona be pilots who have different goals and they will try to undermine any kind of statement or true. Even with this there gona be a lot people who will say "this guy fly with them of curse he will support them" etc etc bla bla
So here why it is happening
For short answear it is last drop in a glass situation. Ok but there is 1 more thing here you guys think TVP doing this because they dont like ISN pilots. If you think this you couldn`t be more far from true. Huge part of ISN pilots i personaly think they are good guys why because they like perfection in contest and they good at it. TVP not pissed of because they lost that loot that was the last drop in that glass. So since ISN formed as INC grup there leaders mentality cosed the main problems and leaders showing examples to there grups and a bad mentality sick on people such as good ones. What happend anno with DIN if i want to make a parallel line with human body that was first bigger massage from the body somthing is wrong. Since that time the Incursion commounity as human body somehow managed to go on, but nobody was fixing it. That time TVP leaders said TVP trying to be passive and focusing making the best possible isk per hour they can do.
Now we see how far things can go something like a virus in the human body. So for all how cry like this and that i can say only 1 thing. FASTER THE BODY GET RID OF THE VIRUS FASTER IT GONA HEAL AND GO BACK TO NORMAL.
And just let`s clear things here on virus i do not mean ISN as a INC grup or ISN pilots. That attitude that behaviour just disgusting not even straight not even honour inside of it. OF CURSE OTHER PART HERE CAN SAY WHAT I CAN DO I DO IF I WANT AND YOU CAN GO TO HELL. Yes you are absolutly right I`m sure TVP DOING THE SAME. Tl;dr "English is not my best language." No offense intended, but a lot of that did not make sense. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |

Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
910
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Posted - 2014.08.30 01:03:00 -
[16] - Quote
Eve is dying, if i were CCP i'd still nerf high sec incursions and rid 5+ systems of Augustus Gloop style greed potential absent a river for the obese to fall into other than bickering amongst themselves about the glutton they feed on Concord Approved Trader |

Saeger1737
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
787
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Posted - 2014.08.30 01:41:00 -
[17] - Quote
..... Incursions..... Who..... Cares......? |

Helena Tiberius Mabata
New Order Logistics CODE.
4
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:06:00 -
[18] - Quote
Please don't forget your Mining permits, which now extend to Incursions too thanks to benevolence of James 315! If loot thievery is already an issue and the riots are breaking out in the streets have no fear! For a mere 10 million ISK ( a one time 5% of your 200m/hr incursion payout and valid for 1 full year ) You can be protected and receive the supreme protectors blessing too.
Don't let your shiny be decommissioned for illegal mining of red crosses in our territory, Contact me or any Agent of the New order today! |

Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
7
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Posted - 2014.08.30 03:54:00 -
[19] - Quote
Zeus Maximo wrote:While wearing a pirate patch I ask this question;
Who are the largest incursion running alliances/corporations?
TVP, ISN and DTF
Although If you plan on ganking or pirating I wouldn't go anywhere near DTF (Ditanian Fleet), They are all 0.0 PvP Alliance members and are the premier Elitest Incursion Fleet (Even their highsec Branch).
|

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5397
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:11:00 -
[20] - Quote
d) Delicious! "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |

Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
396
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Posted - 2014.08.30 07:41:00 -
[21] - Quote
Damon Messer wrote:Silfron wrote:Evening all
I remember when DIN was pissed. I could understand there reasons that time but i must to say i wasn`t agree with them 100%
So questions
Is this event from TVP coused by the same reasons? Is this the same situation like anno with DIN ? Now i ask myself what did i know about the event when DIN made it ? I must say can not realy tell why was DIN doing that time.
Well this is a story all about how my life got flipped, tured upside down!
Since this new event started. I HEARD SOOO SOOO SOOO MANY MISSINFORMATION OR FAKE INFORMATION. Doesn`t matter if TVP will stick to there side of true
-what i know as a fact it is because i fly with them a lot-
all the time there gona be pilots who have different goals and they will try to undermine any kind of statement or true. Even with this there gona be a lot people who will say "this guy fly with them of curse he will support them" etc etc bla bla
So here why it is happening
For short answear it is last drop in a glass situation. Ok but there is 1 more thing here you guys think TVP doing this because they dont like ISN pilots. If you think this you couldn`t be more far from true. Huge part of ISN pilots i personaly think they are good guys why because they like perfection in contest and they good at it. TVP not pissed of because they lost that loot that was the last drop in that glass. So since ISN formed as INC grup there leaders mentality cosed the main problems and leaders showing examples to there grups and a bad mentality sick on people such as good ones. What happend anno with DIN if i want to make a parallel line with human body that was first bigger massage from the body somthing is wrong. Since that time the Incursion commounity as human body somehow managed to go on, but nobody was fixing it. That time TVP leaders said TVP trying to be passive and focusing making the best possible isk per hour they can do.
Now we see how far things can go something like a virus in the human body. So for all how cry like this and that i can say only 1 thing. FASTER THE BODY GET RID OF THE VIRUS FASTER IT GONA HEAL AND GO BACK TO NORMAL.
And just let`s clear things here on virus i do not mean ISN as a INC grup or ISN pilots. That attitude that behaviour just disgusting not even straight not even honour inside of it. OF CURSE OTHER PART HERE CAN SAY WHAT I CAN DO I DO IF I WANT AND YOU CAN GO TO HELL. Yes you are absolutly right I`m sure TVP DOING THE SAME. ummm what? can someone here be a good captain and give me a tl:dr version?
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Fybs
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
144
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:15:00 -
[22] - Quote
Lilly Naari wrote:Zeus Maximo wrote:While wearing a pirate patch I ask this question;
Who are the largest incursion running alliances/corporations? TVP, ISN and DTF Although If you plan on ganking or pirating I wouldn't go anywhere near DTF (Ditanian Fleet), They are all 0.0 PvP Alliance members and are the premier Elitest Incursion Fleet (Even their highsec Branch).
Dec u'm
Dec u'm all god damit!
 |

Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
1169
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Posted - 2014.08.30 10:39:00 -
[23] - Quote
What's an incursion ? Does it involve shooting bad people ? YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1220
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:39:00 -
[24] - Quote
Yawn.
Tl/dr seems to be that someone looted a few wrecks when others disconnected.
Stl/Sdr is nobody cares, and those loot piniatas will be back. Cry moar. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |

Saeger1737
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
791
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:41:00 -
[25] - Quote
... Incursion... You make money for showing up, ... I ask again, who cares!!!? |

Bisness Pirates
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2014.09.02 17:45:00 -
[26] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:What's an incursion ? Does it involve shooting bad people ?
Sorry, it doesn't involve shooting marmites.
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
469
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:52:00 -
[27] - Quote
THIS JUST IN! TVP = Self-Entitled Carebears!
Gonna laugh so hard when ISN uses this "policy" against them, and start closing down all the hisec incursions. |

Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
7
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:31:00 -
[28] - Quote
Saeger1737 wrote:... Incursion... You make money for showing up, ... I ask again, who cares!!!? You sir... You are the one who seems to care. I base this judgement on the four times you've posted here already. How much you actually care about this subject remains to be seen. Time will tell. |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
202
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Posted - 2014.09.03 06:49:00 -
[29] - Quote
ISN pull **** move. In other news, water is wet, fire burns and wind blows. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |

Dsparil Mal
N.F.H.P. Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2014.09.04 09:28:00 -
[30] - Quote
It's put a dent into part of my income for sure, but it's been hilarious watching ISN slowly but surely get griefed out of incursions. Erotica 1 for CSM 9! |

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
946
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Posted - 2014.09.04 09:53:00 -
[31] - Quote
So.
A bunch of bot-aspirants are fighting over ISK? Never see that happen in high-sec :) |

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
946
|
Posted - 2014.09.04 09:55:00 -
[32] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:What's an incursion ? Does it involve shooting bad people ?
From what I understand it features a bunch of AFK mining, fighting over loot, and a feeling of being superior to regular mission runners.
Also, hilarious bling fits that tend to get killed while AFK :P |

Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
319
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Posted - 2014.09.04 11:20:00 -
[33] - Quote
They should tie incursions with corp mechanics, like in faction-warfare. You should need to register a corp (and be decced to hell and back) to run them.
I spent my first YEAR in eve sitting on the incursion isk fountain and playing the game for free. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |

Uppgrayyedd
New Eden's Rebels
15
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Posted - 2014.09.04 17:02:00 -
[34] - Quote
I hate this story. It sucks from every perspective. I hope you guys biomass because of this loot drama. Go away. **** you. |

Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:08:00 -
[35] - Quote
It has little to do with people being but hurt, rage or drama(it never really has in Incursions, that is only the opinion of people that don't know how Incursions work behind the scene). If anything it is a brilliant move of TVP role playing the white knights of incursions and getting the full community support to bully her biggest competition when it comes to HQ fleets out of a fleet over a fairly insignificant amount of ISK. It is a very very good PR stunt, capitalizing on Noble Ranges habit of role playing a massive **** most of the time in public and get rid of her biggest competition under the pretext to enforce proper behaviour between channels and selling them self to the masses as the good guys of Incursions that get all the support of her "noble" goal. 
If anything C&P, this is a great display of how to grief somebody and selling it as a good thing to the masses what even gives you community support and lets the party that you grief look like the bad guys, in perfect execution. 
Lilly Naari wrote:Zeus Maximo wrote:While wearing a pirate patch I ask this question;
Who are the largest incursion running alliances/corporations? TVP, ISN and DTF Although If you plan on ganking or pirating I wouldn't go anywhere near DTF (Ditanian Fleet), They are all 0.0 PvP Alliance members and are the premier Elitest Incursion Fleet (Even their highsec Branch).
It is TDF not DTF, and this information is wrong on so many levels, it is not even funny. The only reason nobody ganks TDF hulls is that they don't fly anything worth ganking for the most part. |

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5559
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Posted - 2014.09.11 15:40:00 -
[36] - Quote
Jill Antaris wrote:Lilly Naari wrote:TVP, ISN and DTF
Although If you plan on ganking or pirating I wouldn't go anywhere near DTF (Ditanian Fleet), They are all 0.0 PvP Alliance members and are the premier Elitest Incursion Fleet (Even their highsec Branch).
It is TDF not DTF, and this information is wrong on so many levels, it is not even funny. The only reason nobody ganks TDF hulls is that they don't fly anything worth ganking for the most part.
Got to love her for trying to play the Friends in Nullsec card, though. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |

Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1307
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Posted - 2014.09.11 15:54:00 -
[37] - Quote
Lilly Naari wrote:
TVP, ISN and DTF
Although If you plan on ganking or pirating I wouldn't go anywhere near DTF (Ditanian Fleet), They are all 0.0 PvP Alliance members and are the premier Elitest Incursion Fleet (Even their highsec Branch).
Oh NOES!
We all know that nullsec PVPers are much better because they live in nullsec. Right?
No?
Oh.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries Chelonaphobia
454
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:23:00 -
[38] - Quote
I have heard of these FTD folks. Great bunch. They do deliver.
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Immortal Chrono Pimpin
Big Rifters Inc.
110
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:36:00 -
[39] - Quote
Legit why are people so upset, When the server got DDosd and you lost something ccp sees the socket close and replaces it.
That 20b he took pff drop in the bucket why is everyone such a moody child. |

Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1312
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Posted - 2014.09.12 02:58:00 -
[40] - Quote
Serendipity Lost wrote:I have heard of these FTD folks. Great bunch. They do deliver.
Then send my mother some goddamn flowers you jerk! Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |

Damon Messer
Emergent Mining Et Al.
64
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:44:00 -
[41] - Quote
TVP are being douches by popping moms. But it is a legit action. They can do that. |

Isabela Valentine
Noir. Suddenly Spaceships.
62
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Posted - 2014.09.13 14:57:00 -
[42] - Quote
Immortal Chrono Pimpin wrote:Legit why are people so upset, When the server got DDosd and you lost something ccp sees the socket close and replaces it.
That 20b he took pff drop in the bucket why is everyone such a moody child.
This pretty much. If you have the basic problem solving of a 5 year old you'd create a ticket with CCP and it would all be reimbursed. Instead everyone cried like a bunch of babies and now incursions are dropping like crazy. People should just go make their isk somewhere else until everyone gets their panties unbunched.
There's also a catch 22 with this whole plan of theirs. Ya they're really "sticking it" to ISN, but they're doing the same to their own pilots. GG TVP. You sure showed them lol |

Naomi Niktos
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.09.13 16:16:00 -
[43] - Quote
ITT we learn: Incursion runners are whiny entitled manchildren and therefore the very best trolling target. My alt is going into an incursion runner corp, shouldn't be too hard to troll them into disbanding. |

Anya Klibor
Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n
769
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Posted - 2014.09.13 23:20:00 -
[44] - Quote
Isabela Valentine wrote:Immortal Chrono Pimpin wrote:Legit why are people so upset, When the server got DDosd and you lost something ccp sees the socket close and replaces it.
That 20b he took pff drop in the bucket why is everyone such a moody child. This pretty much. If you have the basic problem solving of a 5 year old you'd create a ticket with CCP and it would all be reimbursed. Instead everyone cried like a bunch of babies and now incursions are dropping like crazy. People should just go make their isk somewhere else until everyone gets their panties unbunched. There's also a catch 22 with this whole plan of theirs. Ya they're really "sticking it" to ISN, but they're doing the same to their own pilots. GG TVP. You sure showed them lol
Loot that drops from a destroyed ship is not reimbursed under any circumstances. The only thing you get back is the hull, rigs, and modules that were also destroyed. We're recruiting! :D |

Celestal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.14 02:13:00 -
[45] - Quote
If ISN`s plan was to make the make the majority of incursion pilots to think of tvp as complete aholes then really it was a perfect plan .
Seriously does tvp expect the rest of the incursion community to explode in moral outrage against ISN ? , and if so do what ?
They do not have the support of the community , in fact if you speak to pilots who fly with them they have very little support from their own `members` ( of course these same members if asked by tvp leadership will say they support them ).
I know that their actions have already caused several players who relied on their incursion income to plex their accounts to leave eve . |

Vampyr3
Vampyr3 Holdings Inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:48:00 -
[46] - Quote
Just released : Sitting in the Dock Up in Bei, by Alyssa Du Gard - http://youtu.be/LbWZ5vdISLg
Kinda about the subject at hand...
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Missed Steak
TVP and ISN tears factory
0
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Posted - 2014.09.15 19:15:00 -
[47] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5022605#post5022605 |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
679
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:13:00 -
[48] - Quote
Saeger1737 wrote:..... Incursions..... Who..... Cares......?
Last time I did any incursions was during the live events and we (as a corp) tried our hand at it a little bit. |

Kamii OhnoKazii
Target Valhalla Project
6
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Posted - 2014.09.19 20:25:00 -
[49] - Quote
Greetings All,
I thought I would shed some light on some of this as most people have this correct = Tears + Stupid (maybe option E?)... this event (?) basically is all about a few people slapping each other (Slap Fight) over personal ego issues and mutual loathing (nothing like personal loathing to motive folks to create content).
The "Official Line" you can get from the various groups, sip of the CoolAid provided, and enjoy with a bit of a laugh... and yes Incursion runners are "farmers" not fighters; so this could take months, years, decades, extend into the next CCP game, be placed on tomb stones, and finally left as an unfinished bad blood between ethic groups that could spark major territorial warfare far into the future of humanity... so hey never ending content.
Now, the real deal is this... TVP = close incursions because (1) faulty game mechanics that allow it, and (2) because they can, and if can, why not? - so does. End of story.
Motivation: Mutual Hatred in leadership = annoyance to the masses, e.g. nothing new to human behavior.
What to do: 1. Ignore, because not involved and have other EVE life, or even a life. 2. Watch, enjoy, popcorn. 3. Participation, because that bored, or interested, or passion, or paid to participate and will wash off later afterwards. (this has several sub groups) - trolling - crying - and the every popular, trolling while crying, or the inverse of... must include "broh", and "come at me" to do correctly.
GANKING: Ok, this is rather a pointless endeavor for trying to solve anything, so if you go into it to think this will be effectual or even worth the time in a positive way, forget it, it's not and it won't be - HS incursion ganking has been tired and failed, it's not possible to really get in any good fights, much like trying to kick a tortoise.
But, there is a bright side, If you have a sense of humor and wish to just have some fun with it:
1. Someone could (and has) stolen the loot can form the mother ship site apparently - that was creative and funny, and shooting it might be just as fun... 2. you could bump logi with MWD ships off grid in fleets and see what that does... kind of funny if they go flying 100000kms off - so much for reps. 3. you could fit up a ships and contest incursions fleets and just take there payouts, but this would mean bring a runner... 4. you could shoot the ore can or ore running in Vanguard sites... but no one is doing that. 5. you could buy up all the faction modules in HS and cause a massive price increase - someone did to this... that was funny... 6. ... or you could do whatever you like that works for you... and maybe that would be fun.
What this really comes down to is this: Content, provided for everyone, and to be enjoyed on every level in any way you like, I am, it's been fun so far... and note, to the TVP people... my nado, that has been trolling you, has no online modules... so while it was fun chasing you all over, I couldn't have shot you.... but it was a fun three hours... sorry you docked up also... |

Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1336
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Posted - 2014.09.19 22:28:00 -
[50] - Quote
Closing excursions isn't a faulty mechanic. Its supposed to be a thing. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |

Kamii OhnoKazii
Target Valhalla Project
6
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Posted - 2014.09.19 23:10:00 -
[51] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Closing excursions isn't a faulty mechanic. Its supposed to be a thing.
True it is, closing them and resetting the timers and all that, but this case shows it's open to abuse and use as a community grief tool, which is fine with me, but it does seem to break the whole idea.
The logical extension of this is:
3-4 motivated persons, with ISBoxer fleets can and at some point will shut down the whole incursion thing as a troll on the whole thing, it would not be hard, and in fact it's being done manually by TVP, and was being done by DIN... it's rather a "nuclear" option on the field of grief trolling, so I totally support someone with the means to take to it to this level.
For a Community to survive now, the stakes just got higher... you need a:
CORE ISBoxer MOM Site popping option, and a influence grinder option... speed grind, then immediately pop... and re do this.
Also, you need the base logistics at each constellation, which isn't as hard as it might sound, given that this is just a booster ship, and a few cans of ammo and all, the amount of stuff can be streamlined.
and boxer fleets can make billions in an hour for people willing to setup the whole thing, much like boxer miners do it, but the pay outs are much better.
There are two ways CCP could fix this issue, not sure on the over all effect, but two things would stop it flat
1. make influence 100x or 1000x or more time to grind it down. 2. make it so that the mom doesn't show up until the end of incursions. -also- (the fun option)... Turn Concord off in the actual Site, and let nature take it's course... as in the old days... "We would pop each other's logi, and the last logi standing, that fleet wins the site... and scoop the loot as well... might be very interesting!)
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5586
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Posted - 2014.09.20 00:18:00 -
[52] - Quote
Kamii OhnoKazii wrote:3-4 motivated persons, with ISBoxer fleets can and at some point will shut down the whole incursion thing as a troll on the whole thing
So... why would this be a game mechanical problem?
You seem to have a problem with other player's actions affecting you. That that can happen is one of the core design principles of EVE. If you don't like someone's actions' effect on you, stop them. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |

Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1336
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Posted - 2014.09.20 02:23:00 -
[53] - Quote
So I just have to ask...
Why not wardec them? Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |

Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10103
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Posted - 2014.09.20 08:03:00 -
[54] - Quote
Kamii OhnoKazii wrote:My boobs hypnotise you .... ..... hypnotise ....... ........... hypnotise ........
 Meta Portrait: umm, looks like youre 'busy', young love, sexual and sensual, soft&warm, OMG naked???, are you kissin or blo..., so much feels, most sexually suggestive pic I've seen. I make it feel real... Strapless Tops! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5036238#post5036238 |

Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1739
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Posted - 2014.09.20 09:24:00 -
[55] - Quote
just because certain things happen in eve is no reason not to retaliate when those certain things happen to you.
Epic Space Cat |

Kamii OhnoKazii
Target Valhalla Project
6
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Posted - 2014.09.20 21:06:00 -
[56] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Kamii OhnoKazii wrote:My boobs hypnotise you .... ..... hypnotise ....... ........... hypnotise ........ 
... Hmmmm.... nice fake quote... but it inspired a forum sig: "Don't hate me because my bra is digitally augmented... " Don't hate me because my bra is digitally augmented...-á |

Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2014.09.21 06:01:00 -
[57] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:So I just have to ask...
Why not wardec them? Refer to the 50 page thread in GD. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1666
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Posted - 2014.09.21 06:22:00 -
[58] - Quote
It seems like enough people are upset about this crap that they should be paying me or someone like me to shoot someone. However that clearly isn't happening so I am not sure how this subject is still relevant to C&P.
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Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1342
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Posted - 2014.09.21 17:22:00 -
[59] - Quote
Steppa Musana wrote:Leto Thule wrote:So I just have to ask...
Why not wardec them? Refer to the 50 page thread in GD.
No. This thread is in C&P, so explain why nothing is exploding.... Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
130
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Posted - 2014.09.21 20:10:00 -
[60] - Quote
Yang Aurilen wrote:This won't happen if incursions only happen in low/nullsec.
your right, they would become another least used mechanic in eve like lvl 5s, and would provide another huge income boost for the power blocs that want to just shoot each others ships
Leto Thule Quote:
So I just have to ask...
Why not wardec them?
it is hard to war dec a incursion runner when they have no care for being in a corp or their corp history, in 24 hrs i had a guy just 5 corps just to avoid a war dec, the only way to get the inc runners (i know some that could use an attitude adjustment) would be to gank them "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |

Solj RichPopolous
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
76
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Posted - 2014.09.22 09:13:00 -
[61] - Quote
Going to have to go with everyone else and say who cares?
Incursion runners like all mission runners like to run these mind numbing boring things for no apparent reason other than the accumulation of more ISK that they will never use due to their inherent risk averseness.
If anything they should be thanking this man as they now have something of a goal to strive for, whether it be griefing him or replacing the loot they lost. And we know time is of the essence with these missioner types because they only have the rest of forever to run incursions and stack piles of useless ISK in complete safety of highsec before CCP DON'T take it away from them. |

Wraymond Arji
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:38:00 -
[62] - Quote
This is hilarious and a grievous violation of rule # 1 in eve. Thou hath undocked in **** thou could not afford to lose. Once you undock in it, it is already lost. Forgetting that leads to this.... |

Kamii OhnoKazii
Target Valhalla Project
6
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Posted - 2014.09.22 17:13:00 -
[63] - Quote
To Vimsy: ... no point, they could do pvp very effectively on eachother if it came to it, but not one wants to be seen in a bad light in the inner-community.
To Leto: ... nothing is exploding yet, and may not, looks like agreement may have been reached, if not... ISK v Temper = possible splodieness.
To: Agondary: ... incursions already happen in low and null, pass crack pipe please, and the are run by nullybears. ... and yes, corp hopping is so annoying, or I would have done WDs myelf with NO TVP, but it would have been pointless...
To: Solj: ... Yep, not to many people care, why nothing went splodes, even the runners for the most part have "all this has happened before, and all of will happen again" - nothing to see, move along, move along...
To: Wraymond: ... It could be an issue, but I don't think CCP is worried, oddly incursions is probably the most successful mechanic in the game for getting people to play the game in a way CCP wanted... it doesn't produce huge ISK anymore, unless... the players work together, max skills, make shiney ships, work in unison, and so on...so really incursions are very, very good at doing this with the player base... so I don't think CCP considers this griefing, so much as content, just like nullybear wars...
... and finally, yu'all stop look at my milk-buckets... sheeesh... accept Vimsy; we might have to hook up... Don't hate me because my bra is digitally augmented...-á |

Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
124
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Posted - 2014.09.25 04:16:00 -
[64] - Quote
Solj RichPopolous wrote:Going to have to go with everyone else and say who cares?
Incursion runners like all mission runners like to run these mind numbing boring things for no apparent reason other than the accumulation of more ISK that they will never use due to their inherent risk averseness.
Because no one ever has multiple accounts or uses money from an incursion alt to fund their low/nullsec pvp habit. That would never happen in EVE. |

Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1350
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Posted - 2014.09.25 13:05:00 -
[65] - Quote
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: Because no one ever has multiple accounts or uses money from an incursion alt to fund their low/nullsec pvp habit. That would never happen in EVE.
Live in Nullsec.
HIGHSEC moneymaker alt.
THERE lies the problem. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |

Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
124
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Posted - 2014.09.25 22:47:00 -
[66] - Quote
Leto Thule wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: Because no one ever has multiple accounts or uses money from an incursion alt to fund their low/nullsec pvp habit. That would never happen in EVE.
Live in Nullsec. HIGHSEC moneymaker alt. THERE lies the problem.
Not really. |
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