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Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
339
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:41:00 -
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In the last few days, I have noticed an interesting trend here on the IGS in which various Caldari have, though various degrees, have made attempts to slowly change various discussion back to how great the Caldari way is.
Now, on one hand, I have no issue with someone speaking their mind about their opinions on a matter...though some times it is best not to say anything at all. Yet, this is the thing that disturbs me about the current trend...the aggressiveness and lengths to which many of these Caldari have gone to drown out the original poster's intent of the thread and the various discussions sparked by the other people in the thread...well, let's call a spade a spade shall we...this is very Gallente of you Caldari.
The Federation made an art out of slowly absorbing and integrating other races' cultures and beliefs in an effort to create a unified front. Now, I see all these staunch State supporters using the very same techniques and principals...maybe with less subtlety and precision in an attempt to impress upon the rest of New Eden how great and mighty the Caldari State is.
Has Caldari become the new Federation? Only time will tell. Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Ava Starfire
Gradient
1603
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:53:00 -
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*popcorns* "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |

Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
66948
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:54:00 -
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Steffanie Saissore wrote: Has Caldari become the new Federation? Only time will tell.
I have a feeling that Diana Kim might implode upon reading this. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1645
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:56:00 -
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Come on hot lips, at least provide some names and examples to make things interesting. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3997
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:07:00 -
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I say we make this a thread about the Amarr just to be contrary. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Sadie Veerin
269
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:07:00 -
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The difference is that you are putting far too much stock in a few Caldari on the IGS as representative of the State. A couple Caldari with a presence here that feel the need to ingratiate the State to others should not be seen as a sign of a larger trend.
As for the publicly involved Caldari capsuleers you are speaking of, it seems to stem from their exhaustion in regards to discussing the same conflicts without end. If someone tires of attacking others, they tend to revert to praising themselves. Besides one particular capsuleer whose communications everyone should have set to ignore in the first place, I think this is the trend you are noticing. It is not about integrating others but instead a few capsuleers communicating their identity once age-old antagonisms stop being their driving motivations. They are just doing it haphazardly and a bit too often - a bit like an adolescent that first tastes a measure of autonomy. While I encourage their newfound perspective in many ways, I agree that it is disconcerting that it is newfound and they feel they must share it with others at every turn.
The bottom line is that you should not equate these capsuleers with Caldari as a whole. And I fully expect you realize that. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1227
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:15:00 -
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Unlike federal rats, we don't enforce our way of life. We love it, and we are PROUD to be Caldari. We have our own pariahs, who ran away from State to hide in nullsecs and wormholes from our way of life, and who don't fight for what is dear to all Caldari. But they are only a couple of insignificant persons. We, Caldari, love our State, our society and we glorify our superiority.
Unlike gallenteans, though, our superiority and our way of life is for us only, and we don't bring it with arms into your houses like gallenteans do with their democrazies. We don't bomb homes of individuals and corporations of outcasts, that leave us, because they hurt themselves already by separating themselves from our glorious culture to live somewhere in Maker-forsaken wormholes just to not do their duty to common good.
Unlike gallenteans, we don't care what cultures others have. It is not our business, we just enjoy and glorify our culture.
But if you don't like us talking how it is good to be Caldari, we could easily talk about how disgusting and repulsive gallenteans, their culture and their Federation are. |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
727
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:16:00 -
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Last few days? Last few months, more like. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3997
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:21:00 -
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Ask a representative of each of the four major cultures for their opinion on a subject, and you'll most likely hear an Amarrian opinion, a Caldari opinion, a Gallentean opinion and a Matari opinion (presented in alphabetical order), whatever the individual and personal variance might be.
There are more pod-pilots of Caldari origin than any one other ethnic group, and this discussion board is almost exclusively used by capsuleers, so... An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1227
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:34:00 -
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Unfortunately, at the moment in the current board most of "Caldari" capsuleers are defectors, who disregard their duty to the State and Caldari people. If so-called Caldari don't serve the State, you shouldn't consider them Caldari in the first place. |
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Jude Kopenhagen
Stormcrows
48
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:41:00 -
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Really Steff?
Just cause I am awesome and let everyone know it, all the time.... (As can be seen in every one of my posts here)
It has nothing to do with me being Caldari, more with me being amazing enough to realise how wonderful I am.
But on a serious note, the answer is Hak'len.
Not sure about the question though... |

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
813
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:54:00 -
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From what I remember, the 'State is Great!' opinion of Caldari loyal capsuleers always has existed imo. It's not even unique, all supportive loyal capsuleers got the same opinion about their nation.
Amarr loyal capsuleers find the Amarr Empire the best, minmatar loyalists love their tribal council republic and Federation loyal capsuleers think the Gallente democratic federation is the greatest thing ever.
Any other view of loyalists would suprise me honestly. What also adds to the *My Nation is the Greatest thing ever!* rhetoric is the venomenous & toxic posting of certain members here. Admit that your nation is not perfect in any aspect and they'll quote it out of context till eternity in non-relevant discussions that you participate in, resulting in the need to defend yourself if you do not want to be accused of hypocrisy or slander and thereby derailing the threads.
In order to improve discussion quality, we'll all have to do an effort and not jump each others throat for even the smallest mistake or disjointed opinion or expression. Sansha's Nation intensifies attacks!-á -á-áAmarr Militia Auction is a success! |

Velarra
317
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:15:00 -
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Given that they shared the better part of a millennium as a unified people, during their formative years, is it really such a surprise that they would share so very much in common? Particularly on basic, instinctual, human levels of interaction?
Despite all contrary, modern-era drum beating and their obvious cravings for societal individuation?
Not unlike brothers and sisters. |

Jared Haywire
Stormcrows
6956
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:30:00 -
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Jude Kopenhagen wrote:Really Steff?
Just cause I am awesome and let everyone know it, all the time.... (As can be seen in every one of my posts here)
It has nothing to do with me being Caldari, more with me being amazing enough to realise how wonderful I am.
But on a serious note, the answer is Hak'len.
Not sure about the question though...
Hak'len is always the answer. Hak'len and Vodka. And sometimes icecream.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1228
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:50:00 -
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No no no. Not Vodka. Drinking is not professional. |

Arista Shahni
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:22:00 -
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Nothing has changed.
You're just now noticing it.
While arguing on the Summit, they dream in the "Backstage" of their subconcious on selfsame subjects in the exact same way -- and its always been this way since I started paying attention to 'capsuleer soocizalization'.
There is a simple rule.
Never involve yourself in thereads involving Caldari if you are not Caldari.
They may not sleep or dream better at night -- but you will. "I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also. -áAnd as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all." |

Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
4
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:27:00 -
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But then they will drive everyone out from all the threads?.. State the nature of your medical emergency |

Arista Shahni
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
166
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:31:00 -
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Mika Firestorm wrote:But then they will drive everyone out from all the threads?..
Drive them out?
Do your *purposely* walk into a flaming trainwreck that somehow is still circling on the same track?
Just, I don't know..
.. make a new thread.
"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also. -áAnd as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all." |

Jared Haywire
Stormcrows
6956
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:43:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:No no no. Not Vodka. Drinking is not professional.
Some folks might argue with you I am a professional drinker. |

Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
4
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:48:00 -
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Arista Shahni wrote:Mika Firestorm wrote:But then they will drive everyone out from all the threads?.. Drive them out? Do your *purposely* walk into a flaming trainwreck that somehow is still circling on the same track? Just, I don't know.. .. make a new thread. Then they will capture it too State the nature of your medical emergency |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:49:00 -
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Jared Haywire wrote:Diana Kim wrote:No no no. Not Vodka. Drinking is not professional. Some folks might argue with you I am a professional drinker. All personnel, abandon battle stations, run for your lives!! |

Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
340
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:22:00 -
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Jude Kopenhagen wrote:Really Steff?
But on a serious note, the answer is Hak'len.
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Going to have to respectfully disagree with you here...Brandy. Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Arista Shahni
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
166
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:28:00 -
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Mika Firestorm wrote:Arista Shahni wrote:Mika Firestorm wrote:But then they will drive everyone out from all the threads?.. Drive them out? Do your *purposely* walk into a flaming trainwreck that somehow is still circling on the same track? Just, I don't know.. .. make a new thread. Then they will capture it too
Then take some advice from the "super evil Amarr"GǪ Keep your dirty laundry behind your fence and don't leave it in public. "I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also. -áAnd as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all." |

Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
4020
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:50:00 -
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Let's see how well the whole passive aggressive bunch of you get on without us, then. I'm done with you all. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:57:00 -
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Don't let a gallentean manipulate you, Tuulinen-haan! |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
746
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:07:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Let's see how well the whole passive aggressive bunch of you get on without us, then. I'm done with you all.
... wut. Who? Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:18:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Let's see how well the whole passive aggressive bunch of you get on without us, then. I'm done with you all. ... wut. Who?
I feel your nurse will be unhappy when will know that you are using NeoCom again. |

Utsukushi Shi
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
46
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Posted - 2014.08.31 03:10:00 -
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That was a lot of words to say Kim talks too much and Stitcher is a pedantic old man.
But thanks for pointlessly providing another thread for the arguments you find so distasteful. Pyre Falcon is recruiting - apply today! Backstage Recruitment thread EVEO Forum Recruitment thread |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1645
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Posted - 2014.08.31 03:48:00 -
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I have a theory that much of it stems from a lack of personal coping mechanisms required to fully adjust to being a freelance capsuleer. An inability to accept or recognize the system of life one lives under when one volunteers to be registered under the auspices of CONCORD. A form of self-projection upon others that requires one to tell themselves that it is those freelance capsuleers who are the craven ones, who are immoral, who profit from violence, whose hands are awash with blood, it is those ones that are villains but not themselves. Themselves are different, like a single special and unique snowflake, separate and distinct from all the others: they tell themselves and others that they have different reasons, ideological reasons, moral reasons, ethical reasons, religious reasons, as to what it is they do.
That they have these reasons then justifies in their mind that they are heroes, and all the rest they are the villains and not themselves. Their discourses then become much like a person who contributes to an act of charity or other supposed good deed, but then goes on to tell as many people as possible about it in order to receive the personal validation that they are a good person. The paradigm is the same that they seek to impress they are Caldari (Or indeed any other form of identity) not so much out of interest in a real discussion but so that they receive a personal validation and thus perpetuate their own cognitive dissonance. I would say such behaviour is fundamentally disingenuous, but in the end understandable for those that lack the effective coping mechanisms to lead the lives of violence of a freelance capsuleer.
Onerous perhaps, those unable to abandon delusion and welcome reality, but I do not think it is behaviour particularly confined to Caldari in particular when I parse IGS discussions. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3999
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Posted - 2014.08.31 04:02:00 -
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You say "pedantic" like it's a bad thing. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Kyoko Sakoda
Sakoda Security Services
152
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Posted - 2014.08.31 05:31:00 -
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Look, another rhetorical black hole on GalNet. And not the good kind that makes your ship go faster. |

Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2014.08.31 05:37:00 -
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Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Look, another rhetorical black hole on GalNet. And not the good kind that makes your ship go faster. The Galnet IS a black hole. Many a capsuleer forgot to undock because they are hypnotised by the furrier videos they found on Galnet. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2014.08.31 07:25:00 -
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Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Look, another rhetorical black hole on GalNet. And not the good kind that makes your ship go faster. Just schemes of evil gallenteans |

Bai'xao Meiyi
92
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Posted - 2014.08.31 10:13:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Unlike federal rats, we don't enforce our way of life. We love it, and we are PROUD to be Caldari. We have our own pariahs, who ran away from State to hide in nullsecs and wormholes from our way of life, and who don't fight for what is dear to all Caldari. But they are only a couple of insignificant persons. We, Caldari, love our State, our society and we glorify our superiority.
Unlike gallenteans, though, our superiority and our way of life is for us only, and we don't bring it with arms into your houses like gallenteans do with their democrazies. We don't bomb homes of individuals and corporations of outcasts, that leave us, because they hurt themselves already by separating themselves from our glorious culture to live somewhere in Maker-forsaken wormholes just to not do their duty to common good.
Unlike gallenteans, we don't care what cultures others have. It is not our business, we just enjoy and glorify our culture.
But if you don't like us talking how it is good to be Caldari, we could easily talk about how disgusting and repulsive gallenteans, their culture and their Federation are.
Except for all of those forcibly evicted indigenous populations within the Caldari State's borders who are booted from their homes the minute it's realized to be profitable. |

Ava Starfire
Gradient
1603
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Posted - 2014.08.31 11:43:00 -
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This thread is now about enslaved Matari. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |

Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2014.08.31 12:12:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:This thread is now about enslaved Matari.
So, where's my beating stick? I have a great need to beat up the dead equine in the middle of this thread. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2014.08.31 12:17:00 -
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Bai'xao Meiyi wrote: Except for all of those forcibly evicted indigenous populations within the Caldari State's borders who are booted from their homes the minute it's realized to be profitable.
Nobody is just "booted" in the State, and eviction doesn't look like that. You see, the State is for peoples, and peoples, who form the State should work for the State. When some peoples don't work for the State and prefer working for themselves, they don't need the State and thus the State doesn't need them. When the State doesn't need them, the State doesn't provide anything to them. All the services the State provide, including law and security, are unavailable for them, unless they pay for each service separately its "export" price. And, of course, will find somehow funds for it. Otherwise, all State doors are closed to them, even State citizens don't consider them as people. If the State boots them - it is only from streets, because vagrancy is prohibited. Otherwise, they just leave themselves. We don't kick them out from what they have - they abandon it themselves, becoming exiles and outcasts. Only because THEY didn't want to be part of our society. It is completely their choice and consequences lie on their shoulders.
To understand how it works, you don't even have to look inside Caldari society, it happens among capsuleers as well. Look, for example, at Mr. Stitcher. He lives not in the State, but in a wormhole. Did anyone boot him out?... No, nobody has booted him out, he just left us, because here there is no place for him. While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us. |

Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
56
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Posted - 2014.09.01 02:39:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Bai'xao Meiyi wrote: Except for all of those forcibly evicted indigenous populations within the Caldari State's borders who are booted from their homes the minute it's realized to be profitable.
Nobody is just "booted" in the State, and eviction doesn't look like that. You see, the State is for peoples, and peoples, who form the State should work for the State. When some peoples don't work for the State and prefer working for themselves, they don't need the State and thus the State doesn't need them. When the State doesn't need them, the State doesn't provide anything to them. All the services the State provide, including law and security, are unavailable for them, unless they pay for each service separately its "export" price. And, of course, will find somehow funds for it. Otherwise, all State doors are closed to them, even State citizens don't consider them as people. If the State boots them - it is only from streets, because vagrancy is prohibited. Otherwise, they just leave themselves. We don't kick them out from what they have - they abandon it themselves, becoming exiles and outcasts. Only because THEY didn't want to be part of our society. It is completely their choice and consequences lie on their shoulders. To understand how it works, you don't even have to look inside Caldari society, it happens among capsuleers as well. Look, for example, at Mr. Stitcher. He lives not in the State, but in a wormhole. Did anyone boot him out?... No, nobody has booted him out, he just left us, because here there is no place for him. While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us.
Speak it citizen Kim! May the Gallente scum die at their keyboards, foaming at the mouth and through the eyeballs.
Only YOU can prevent internet bullying! |

Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
307
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Posted - 2014.09.01 03:07:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:This thread is now about enslaved Matari.
Please, do not. -áFear The Tribes |

Skye Nico
67
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Posted - 2014.09.01 03:15:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us.
This is a load of ****. It is legally impossible to be a State citizen if you are not born there. It does not matter if you 'want to be Caldari' or not. |
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3999
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Posted - 2014.09.01 03:38:00 -
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Skye Nico wrote:Diana Kim wrote: While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us.
This is a load of ****. It is legally impossible to be a State citizen if you are not born there. It does not matter if you 'want to be Caldari' or not.
You should probably have quoted a paragraph where she wasn't specifically vomiting out some more calumnied bilgewater about me, Pilot Nico. I was very much born in the State.
In any event, you've got that wrong. - immigration to the State by foreign-born nationals is perfectly possible. There are just a few caveats that many potential migrants would find offputting.
A minority of State citizens were born abroad and are of ethnic groups other than the principle ones most commonly identified as Caldari. We're talking roughly 1% here, but we have ethnic Gallenteans from the Federation, Khanid, Minmatar, you name it.
Of course, if you're a State citizen you are expected to behave like one. The Megacorporate Meritocraitc system largely treats ethnicity as an irrelevance, a joke or, if somebody is particularly keen on practising their ethnic identity, as a disruption to harmonious social homogeneity. It's not that you can't become a State citizen if you were born abroad - it's that if you were born abroad and are proud of that fact then you're not behaving like a Caldari, and we are the Caldari State. Cases like the Provist administration which treated otherwise excellent citizens who happened to have a hint of Gallentean genome as borderline criminals are an anomaly.
A Minmatar, for example, who wished to immigrate to the State, would be expected to renounce their voluval mark, clan markings and tattoos in order to integrate into the State's mainstream, or else find themselves pushed into a client colony without a fraction of the opportunities or room to advance. In light of that, it's hardly surprising then that we have so little immigration. It's neither illegal nor impossible, it's just that we're not interested in multiculturalism. The State is for Caldari. If you want to share in its bounty, you need to be Caldari, but that word is a philosophical rather than an ethnic term.
"Our House, Our Rules". An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Skye Nico
83
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Posted - 2014.09.01 05:00:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Skye Nico wrote:Diana Kim wrote: While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us.
This is a load of ****. It is legally impossible to be a State citizen if you are not born there. It does not matter if you 'want to be Caldari' or not. You should probably have quoted a paragraph where she wasn't specifically vomiting out some more calumnied bilgewater about me, Pilot Nico. I was very much born in the State. In any event, you've got that wrong. - immigration to the State by foreign-born nationals is perfectly possible. There are just a few caveats that many potential migrants would find offputting. A minority of State citizens were born abroad and are of ethnic groups other than the principle ones most commonly identified as Caldari. We're talking roughly 1% here, but we have ethnic Gallenteans from the Federation, Khanid, Minmatar, you name it. Of course, if you're a State citizen you are expected to behave like one. The Megacorporate Meritocraitc system largely treats ethnicity as an irrelevance, a joke or, if somebody is particularly keen on practising their ethnic identity, as a disruption to harmonious social homogeneity. It's not that you can't become a State citizen if you were born abroad - it's that if you were born abroad and are proud of that fact then you're not behaving like a Caldari, and we are the Caldari State. Cases like the Provist administration which treated otherwise excellent citizens who happened to have a hint of Gallentean genome as borderline criminals are an anomaly. A Minmatar, for example, who wished to immigrate to the State, would be expected to renounce their voluval mark, clan markings and tattoos in order to integrate into the State's mainstream, or else find themselves pushed into a client colony without a fraction of the opportunities or room to advance. In light of that, it's hardly surprising then that we have so little immigration. It's neither illegal nor impossible, it's just that we're not interested in multiculturalism. The State is for Caldari. If you want to share in its bounty, you need to be Caldari, but that word is a philosophical rather than an ethnic term. "Our House, Our Rules".
I believe you are confusing residence with citizenship. |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
746
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Posted - 2014.09.01 08:11:00 -
[43] - Quote
Pretty sure he responded to a post about citizenship and whether or not it was possible to attain as a foreigner. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
805
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Posted - 2014.09.01 09:30:00 -
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
I'm seeing it like Jude and am sorry for being so awesome.
Proceed. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Skye Nico
115
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Posted - 2014.09.01 13:46:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Pretty sure he responded to a post about citizenship and whether or not it was possible to attain as a foreigner.
The source material he referenced is out of date and incorrect. I responded with more recent material that clears up the issue. It is possible for someone born outside of the State to have residence that includes many of the benefits of citizenship, but full citizenship is not possible for them. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4001
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Posted - 2014.09.01 14:13:00 -
[46] - Quote
I think what we have here, gentlepilots, is a clear example of things in the State being a little more complicated than can adequately be summarized in an appropriately brief way. One source says one thing, another contradicts it... let's just accept for now that in a society as heavily fractured along corporate lines as ours, what's true for Lai Dai may not be true for Hyasyoda.
There are some thousands of billions of people living in the State after all, and I would consider it deeply unlikely for there to be NO exceptions whatsoever to any general rule you might make about the nature of their citizenship or legal status. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3305
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Posted - 2014.09.01 14:48:00 -
[47] - Quote
The next time I see you, Steff, I'm going to answer everything you say with "For the Staaaaaate!".
Just for making this thread. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1648
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:07:00 -
[48] - Quote
I still fail to see what the actual issue is though. The vast majority of IGS discussion is not unlike people discussing a Splinterz match over drinks. Talk of your favourite teams, the performance of players, and general statistics does not change the fact that you're not playing on the field yourself. |

Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
923
|
Posted - 2014.09.02 16:51:00 -
[49] - Quote
[Obligatory rabble rousing]
Carry on. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |

Jude Kopenhagen
Stormcrows
50
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Posted - 2014.09.02 17:56:00 -
[50] - Quote
Desiderya wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,
I'm seeing it like Jude and am sorry for being so awesome.
Proceed.
Hahahaha, nice try.
No, seriously, what does "Sorry" mean? |
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
807
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Posted - 2014.09.02 20:38:00 -
[51] - Quote
In this case? Being polite and humble. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Jude Kopenhagen
Stormcrows
50
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Posted - 2014.09.02 22:16:00 -
[52] - Quote
Desiderya wrote:In this case? Being polite and humble.
But you always are, it comes with being awesome. |

Quintrala
Sisters of Eve eXpeditonary
0
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Posted - 2014.09.03 01:17:00 -
[53] - Quote
Jude Kopenhagen wrote:Desiderya wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,
I'm seeing it like Jude and am sorry for being so awesome.
Hahahaha, nice try. No, seriously, what does "Sorry" mean? Need I remind you?
Q |

Morgan Wulver
State Protectorate Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2014.09.03 02:37:00 -
[54] - Quote
If you Stormcrows want to start a riot so easily, you could just toss a brick through a window or something instead of harnessing generations of cultural hatred. Kirjuun! Uakan!-áTeknikiara!-áKanpai kameitsamuu!-áRa ra ra!-á
Quite Possibly the Worst Provist Since YC111!-á |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1651
|
Posted - 2014.09.03 10:35:00 -
[55] - Quote
Morgan Wulver wrote:If you Stormcrows want to start a riot so easily, you could just toss a brick through a window or something instead of harnessing generations of cultural hatred.
Who would start a riot? Those too easily offended by words on the IGS?
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2014.09.03 10:50:00 -
[56] - Quote
Morgan Wulver wrote:If you Stormcrows want to start a riot so easily, you could just toss a brick through a window or something instead of harnessing generations of cultural hatred.
Wrong. If you want the Stormcrows to start a riot you need to sign an agreement with them and make the down-payment. |

Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
343
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Posted - 2014.09.03 12:32:00 -
[57] - Quote
Morgan Wulver wrote:If you Stormcrows want to start a riot so easily, you could just toss a brick through a window or something instead of harnessing generations of cultural hatred.
First, this is my personal observation and not one shared by the rest of the Stormcrows. Also, if you did just a little research, you would realize that the majority of the Stormcrows are Caldari. Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Jude Kopenhagen
Stormcrows
52
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Posted - 2014.09.03 20:56:00 -
[58] - Quote
Steffanie Saissore wrote: Also, if you did just a little research, you would realize that the majority of the Stormcrows are Caldari.
I thought we all were... |

Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
343
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Posted - 2014.09.03 21:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
Jude Kopenhagen wrote:Steffanie Saissore wrote: Also, if you did just a little research, you would realize that the majority of the Stormcrows are Caldari. I thought we all were...
Do I need to pull out the application form? Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Jude Kopenhagen
Stormcrows
52
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Posted - 2014.09.03 21:10:00 -
[60] - Quote
Steffanie Saissore wrote:Jude Kopenhagen wrote:Steffanie Saissore wrote: Also, if you did just a little research, you would realize that the majority of the Stormcrows are Caldari. I thought we all were... Do I need to pull out the application form?
Sorry Ma'am, no ma'am.
Gosh, you certainly have our sense of humour. |
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Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2014.09.03 21:38:00 -
[61] - Quote
Saissore-Haani,
I was born and raised on a border colony, so perhaps my thought processess are a touch more...liberal(?) than say Kim-Haani's are. That being said to be Caldari is to have honor, personal or otherwise. And senseless boasting and chest-thumping is anything but honorable. I know I have been abscent from this meeting ground for a long time, and perhaps I was wrong to do that because now I see the actions of my fellow "Caldari" people are nothing but shameful.
We had a saying on my homeworld "Pride is how you view yourself, but honor is how you are viewed by others." I would ask all of these so called "Statesmen" and "Stateswomen" how their actions are making the State be viewed. I would ask them to analyze themselves and their actions and realize how they hurt the State with their claims.
Those without honor are not Caldari. Regardless of where they were born or raised.
Nemo |

Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
|
Posted - 2014.09.03 21:41:00 -
[62] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:No no no. Not Vodka. Drinking is not professional.
You are quite right, drinking vodka is horribly unprofessional. A true Caldari knows that a good Whiskey is the only beverage one should let affect judgement and depth perception.  |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4006
|
Posted - 2014.09.04 14:04:00 -
[63] - Quote
Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:We had a saying on my homeworld "Pride is how you view yourself, but honor is how you are viewed by others." I would ask all of these so called "Statesmen" and "Stateswomen" how their actions are making the State be viewed. I would ask them to analyze themselves and their actions and realize how they hurt the State with their claims.
Viewed by whom?
While the opinions of others - the respect and admiration of foreign navies, the healthy regard that foreign traders have for our honesty and skill, the openness that foreign corporations will have toward Caldari investors, and so on - are all important, I believe that it is important to value them for their practical benefits rather than considering them to be inherently important to our own sense of identity.
The State was, after all, founded in opposition to the Federation. Our creation was an attempt to remain true to Caldari ideals and Caldari traditions. If we become mutable and malleable to the point of accomodating everybody, then we risk losing our own sense of self.
I take pride in the fact that I have received praise from notable figures and prominent capsuleers hailing from all four of the empires, up to and including an Admiral of the Federation Navy who expressed admiration for my skills as a scout (quote: "that was some of the ballsiest flying I've ever seen."). I am, for my part, pleased to have represented the State in a positive light on the Empyrean stage. I have been called "The Reasonable Caldari", though I should stress that I reject that label - it suggests that there are no others, which I simply do not believe to be the case. Nor in fact do I feel like I'm a particularly reasonable man - I'm well aware that I'm a sarcastic curmudgeon.
But I have that reputation anyway, and I didn't earn it by adjusting my behaviour to match foreign expectations. I earned it by upholding what I believe are the Caldari ideals instilled in me by my megacorporate upbringing and career.
As for the opinions of others loyal to the State, that list includes people who, I'm quite certain, would be executed for treason if they weren't Empyreans.
To say that honour is defined by what others think of you is not clear enough: I think that honour is defined by who thinks what of you, and what you and others think of them in turn.
Honour, in other words, isn't a medal that you wear - it's a relationship. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2014.09.04 15:13:00 -
[64] - Quote
I completely agree with you Stitcher-Haan. I must apologize for not explaining more. Local euphamisms don't always translate like they should. It burdens my heart that the most vocal among our "Caldari" capsuleer brethern do not understand the concept of honor. |

Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
811
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:43:00 -
[65] - Quote
Probably because most Caldari don't have their heads so high up their own asses that they'd call themselves representatives of the State. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4012
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Posted - 2014.09.05 02:13:00 -
[66] - Quote
We all represent the State, Desiderya. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
812
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:08:00 -
[67] - Quote
Oh yes.
You might just be unclogging the waste disposal pipes around here, comrade, but you too are representing the State!
Seriously though, careful with that heiian, it might take someone's eyes out if you swing it around with such recklessness. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
750
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:37:00 -
[68] - Quote
I think you're mistaking official representatives and being representative of the State, Des. Verin here seems to mean a bit of a mix between the two. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
812
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:27:00 -
[69] - Quote
I'm aware of the difference.
It's still pretty daft and self-important when it's discussed in this elite setting, complete with romanticized waxing about the concept of honour. Only few can afford this luxury - my opinion, of course. So we're stuck with using a lot of words to tell each other how amazing we are. All in all a very nice self-fulfilling prophecy that Saissoire has started here.
Well done. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
750
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:33:00 -
[70] - Quote
Damn straight I'm amazing and there should be far more threads dedicated to such subjects.
More seriously, I do consider myself to be representative of the State and many of our ideals, strengths and weaknesses. I see many of them in Verin as well, as I do in yourself. Not particularly surprising given our roots but I don't get your apparent derision of discussing the concept of honor. It's a matter of some importance and the thread itself is largely dedicated to the discussion of Caldari viewpoints in New Eden.
I don't see it as particularly romanticized either, merely a bit naive at times. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
812
|
Posted - 2014.09.05 19:40:00 -
[71] - Quote
Romanticized, naive, it's the same, really. Call it your conscience and don't go around advertising it at every opportunity and you'd be much, much closer to what this whole notion should be. This honour as discussed here is a luxury good that only very few can afford to have, twisted and malformed by parading it around. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4012
|
Posted - 2014.09.06 03:22:00 -
[72] - Quote
Fair point I suppose. But I don't see the harm in discussing it if that's what happens to be the subject at hand.
We have the luxury of mulling this kind of thing over with words. Is that a bad thing? Somebody should be, why not us?
Desiderya wrote:You might just be unclogging the waste disposal pipes around here, comrade, but you too are representing the State!
I suppose I meant "We" as in capsuleers, in our capacity as capsuleers. Though you're right, that one was kind of a knee-jerk repetition of some of the old corporate water-cooler posters rather than a well-thought-out stance.
An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
817
|
Posted - 2014.09.06 14:49:00 -
[73] - Quote
There's not much to gain either. As far as the harm goes just look at the original post of this thread. How very loud and gallentean all this repeated posing indeed is. I prefer discussions on these topics in a setting that allows for a more deeper and intimate conversation. Discussing politics here is bad enough.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Anslo
Scope Works
9673
|
Posted - 2014.09.06 17:19:00 -
[74] - Quote
I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari.
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Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
67588
|
Posted - 2014.09.06 19:44:00 -
[75] - Quote
Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari.
I thought you already knew that the Intergalactic Summit is where armed ships are replaced with sharp words. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
753
|
Posted - 2014.09.06 19:59:00 -
[76] - Quote
Since I don't have an armed ship, I guess I am just replacing a big wallet with silly words? Sharp words sound so uncomfortable. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:37:00 -
[77] - Quote
Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari.
I remember when you met a transvestite in the summit one day...where did I put those chat logs... |

Anslo
Scope Works
9684
|
Posted - 2014.09.06 20:41:00 -
[78] - Quote
Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari. I remember when you met a transvestite in the summit one day...where did I put those chat logs... Oh god that thing was not of this cluster. Monster it was.
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Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
67596
|
Posted - 2014.09.06 20:48:00 -
[79] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari. I remember when you met a transvestite in the summit one day...where did I put those chat logs... Oh god that thing was not of this cluster. Monster it was.
That sounds like a fun story. Do share. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

Anslo
Scope Works
9688
|
Posted - 2014.09.07 01:34:00 -
[80] - Quote
Mizhir wrote:Anslo wrote:Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari. I remember when you met a transvestite in the summit one day...where did I put those chat logs... Oh god that thing was not of this cluster. Monster it was. That sounds like a fun story. Do share. **** off Miz...
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Lucien Rouen
2730
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Posted - 2014.09.08 14:09:00 -
[81] - Quote
How exactly is it odd that that capsuleer culture would change over time? The State is not the same State it was a few years ago just as the Federation is not the same Federation it was a few years ago. The same goes for the other empires. Even the capsuleer 'empires' have become weaker and less intimidating over the last few years. It hardly seems odd to me that things would change, no matter how much certain people may protest. |

Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
939
|
Posted - 2014.09.08 15:54:00 -
[82] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Mizhir wrote:Anslo wrote:Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:Anslo wrote:I remember when Caldari didn't talk about being Caldari. Instead, they let their actions show that there is no question that they are Caldari. I remember when you met a transvestite in the summit one day...where did I put those chat logs... Oh god that thing was not of this cluster. Monster it was. That sounds like a fun story. Do share. **** off Miz... Now wait a minute, this does sound like a good story. I want to hear it too. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1244
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Posted - 2014.09.09 00:08:00 -
[83] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Skye Nico wrote:Diana Kim wrote: While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us.
This is a load of ****. It is legally impossible to be a State citizen if you are not born there. It does not matter if you 'want to be Caldari' or not. You should probably have quoted a paragraph where she wasn't specifically vomiting out some more calumnied bilgewater about me, Pilot Nico. I was very much born in the State. Stop being stupid like that already, Stitcher. I didnt claim anything about your birth, and have absolutely zero interest in it. Was you born in some outlaw outcast family, or actually in a good family of loyal to the State citizens, whose names were stained because of your treason as well, it doesn't matter now. Since it is in the past. What does matter, is what we have at hand. And at hand, you are being traitor and exile, hiding in some Maker-forsaken wormhole instead of serving duty to the State as all loyal citizens. Those, who are NOT afraid to fight for the State, will live in comfortable conditions. And everything they need will be provided by the State. While cowards like you will vegetate in some chilling empty wormhole with sleeper drones instead of peoples.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1244
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Posted - 2014.09.09 00:14:00 -
[84] - Quote
Lucien Rouen wrote:How exactly is it odd that that capsuleer culture would change over time? The State is not the same State it was a few years ago just as the Federation is not the same Federation it was a few years ago. The same goes for the other empires. Even the capsuleer 'empires' have become weaker and less intimidating over the last few years. It hardly seems odd to me that things would change, no matter how much certain people may protest. We just need the State megacorporate law to be enforced on all capsuleers in the State, our dependent and disputed territories. Then we all will see how they will start singing differently. And maybe that will remove some fountains of lies and gallentean propaganda. |

Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
940
|
Posted - 2014.09.09 02:07:00 -
[85] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote: Those, who are NOT afraid to fight for the State, will live in comfortable conditions. And everything they need will be provided by the State. While cowards like you will vegetate in some chilling empty wormhole with sleeper drones instead of peoples.
It's ok Stitch, I still think you're cool, I'll hang out with you.
Also, I hear WH space can be quite comfy..... Much better then some drafty barracks with tonnes of unnecessary, oppressive regulations.... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |

Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
940
|
Posted - 2014.09.09 02:22:00 -
[86] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote: We just need the State megacorporate law to be enforced on all capsuleers in the State, our dependent and disputed territories. Then we all will see how they will start singing differently. And maybe that will remove some fountains of lies and gallentean propaganda.
It the State had that ability there wouldn't be any disputed territory, now would there? Also, nobody but CONCORD can enforce anything significant on capsuleers. Loyalty to an Empire is a choice for us. I don't have to play by their rules if I don't want to. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1249
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Posted - 2014.09.13 23:27:00 -
[87] - Quote
Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote: We just need the State megacorporate law to be enforced on all capsuleers in the State, our dependent and disputed territories. Then we all will see how they will start singing differently. And maybe that will remove some fountains of lies and gallentean propaganda.
If the State had that ability there wouldn't be any disputed territory, now would there? Also, nobody but CONCORD can enforce anything significant on capsuleers. Loyalty to an Empire is a choice for us. I don't have to play by their rules if I don't want to. And I'd prefer it to be changed. The life would be significantly better in the cluster, if only Caldari Navy pilots would be allowed to use capsules. |

Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
952
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Posted - 2014.09.14 23:40:00 -
[88] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote: We just need the State megacorporate law to be enforced on all capsuleers in the State, our dependent and disputed territories. Then we all will see how they will start singing differently. And maybe that will remove some fountains of lies and gallentean propaganda.
If the State had that ability there wouldn't be any disputed territory, now would there? Also, nobody but CONCORD can enforce anything significant on capsuleers. Loyalty to an Empire is a choice for us. I don't have to play by their rules if I don't want to. And I'd prefer it to be changed. The life would be significantly better in the cluster, if only Caldari Navy pilots would be allowed to use capsules. Keep dreaming, sweet cheeks. You'll have 3 factions baring down on you if the Caldari even proposed that, and CONCORD isn't stupid enough to shaft 3 of their 4 signatories like that because you want something. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1251
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Posted - 2014.09.15 02:27:00 -
[89] - Quote
Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote: We just need the State megacorporate law to be enforced on all capsuleers in the State, our dependent and disputed territories. Then we all will see how they will start singing differently. And maybe that will remove some fountains of lies and gallentean propaganda.
If the State had that ability there wouldn't be any disputed territory, now would there? Also, nobody but CONCORD can enforce anything significant on capsuleers. Loyalty to an Empire is a choice for us. I don't have to play by their rules if I don't want to. And I'd prefer it to be changed. The life would be significantly better in the cluster, if only Caldari Navy pilots would be allowed to use capsules. Keep dreaming, sweet cheeks. You'll have 3 factions baring down on you if the Caldari even proposed that, and CONCORD isn't stupid enough to shaft 3 of their 4 signatories like that because you want something. Okay, and Imperial Navy. They are religious and thus will be very much decent. Others, like Federation and Republic, well, they can put their heads into my afterburner and breathe in exhaust! |

Deitra Vess
Dead Men Rising Circle-Of-Two
42
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Posted - 2014.09.15 02:39:00 -
[90] - Quote
wouldn't we just get burned to a crisp? |
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6354
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Posted - 2014.09.15 03:19:00 -
[91] - Quote
So, I got back from leave to find this gem! Seeing as I didn't bother with some pilots' wall of words, let's see if I got the basics: sharp words about pilot's glowing self-praise, sharp words about sharp words, and the usual circular exchange of other sharp words?
Read: situation normal? Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |

Lucien Rouen
5006
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Posted - 2014.09.15 03:58:00 -
[92] - Quote
Makoto Priano wrote:So, I got back from leave to find this gem! Seeing as I didn't bother with some pilots' wall of words, let's see if I got the basics: sharp words about pilot's glowing self-praise, sharp words about sharp words, and the usual circular exchange of other sharp words?
Read: situation normal?
I believe there were also some dull, limp words thrown in as well. |

Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
952
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Posted - 2014.09.15 05:02:00 -
[93] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote: We just need the State megacorporate law to be enforced on all capsuleers in the State, our dependent and disputed territories. Then we all will see how they will start singing differently. And maybe that will remove some fountains of lies and gallentean propaganda.
If the State had that ability there wouldn't be any disputed territory, now would there? Also, nobody but CONCORD can enforce anything significant on capsuleers. Loyalty to an Empire is a choice for us. I don't have to play by their rules if I don't want to. And I'd prefer it to be changed. The life would be significantly better in the cluster, if only Caldari Navy pilots would be allowed to use capsules. Keep dreaming, sweet cheeks. You'll have 3 factions baring down on you if the Caldari even proposed that, and CONCORD isn't stupid enough to shaft 3 of their 4 signatories like that because you want something. Okay, and Imperial Navy. They are religious and thus will be very much decent. Others, like Federation and Republic, well, they can put their heads into my afterburner and breathe in exhaust! CONCORD still ain't gonna go for it. It's a pipe dream sweets, let it go. You're stuck with us like it or not. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
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