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Hung Well
Loot
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Posted - 2006.07.27 11:53:00 -
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yarrr what am i do wrong?
i bought this nice char and startet a pirate career i gave him 40m to get some starting equipment and thought he will pay hisself in the future...
i lost now 2 cruisers and 1 af
i cant make any money with him no one pays ransoms and no valuable loot
i'm a cruiser and af specialist i could fly hacs if i train the skill
i cant fly bs and dont want to go for it cause my main cant train then
any suggestions?
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Naburi NasNaburi
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:07:00 -
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Sorry..but...LOL at the name.
No idea what youre doing wrong..maybe you want to give an example on how you ransom someone ? Very interested in how you approch.
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Brisi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:08:00 -
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If you fit tech I cruisers with tech I equipment, you barely lose any isk (1-2m tops) if you die. Use them untill you've made enough isk, or at least gained enough experience to kill more than you lose.
And if you have a 'main' on the same account, he must be able to make isk somehow? Many pirates have mission/NPC whoring alts to make money for them.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
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Mrmuttley
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:09:00 -
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You either need to finance him with an industrial character till you get good enough or you need to find a non-piracy source of income for him. i.e. NPC hunting etc etc
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Tecam Hund
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:10:00 -
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Don't buy characters? *shrug* Piracy isn't in the skill points, and for most its a very poor way of income. I guess I could make money pirating, but as it stands now I do it for fun mostly since loot/ransoms are pocket change.
0.0 piracy has more potential. So try that. Ah yes, and don't fly t2 ships. Get t1 cruisers with t1 fittings and insure them.
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Naburi NasNaburi
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:11:00 -
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Hmm why does piracy exclude NPCing.. I mean.. do you guys warp off if a 650k bounty rat pops up near you while you had nothing else to do anyways ?
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slothe
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:15:00 -
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mine
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Lefevre
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:16:00 -
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You did a big mistake assuming skill points would make you effective at piracy.. you need experience and by that I mean hours and hours of playtime hunting people, working the scanner and getting to know how piracy really works.
Your second mistake was assuming you would make money like that. You'll have to work your way out. Start in a frigate and once you dont start getting a better feel and knowing when to fight and when to back off try and take a cruiser out for a spin.
So basicly my advise is get in that kestrel/punisher/rifter/incursus and have fun and dont worry to much about losing them as long as you keep their setups cheap you wont lose to much money and in every fight you'll learn.
And get used to the scanner it's your biggest tool as a pirate and in many cases your succes can and will depend on it.
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Tecam Hund
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Naburi NasNaburi
Hmm why does piracy exclude NPCing.. I mean.. do you guys warp off if a 650k bounty rat pops up near you while you had nothing else to do anyways ?
I am not 100% positive, but it seems that ratting is looked down upon in some pirate corporations. Reasons might be getting that perfect -10 or challenge of surviving on loot/ransoms alone.
Personally I rat while I pirate if there are no targets around.
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Naburi NasNaburi
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:21:00 -
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Same here..why miss out on easy pocketmoney *g*
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Hung Well
Loot
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:41:00 -
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isk are not really a problem my main has enough but thats not the point i want to fund myself
my main fights for a i think known ally and hung is for pleasure...
i think i have enough experience
i know how to use the scanner and how to kill ppl and i do it but i cant make any profit out of it
for example i find cruiser pilots... it makes not much sence to ransom the ships so i pop it and try to ransom the pod but all i get is a smack or i dont care if you kill me
i got a brutix once i said 10m or die :) he said ok but he would recharge his shields and armor first cause i would kill him anyway (wtf) i said i cant allow this he has to trust me and he should pay and gave im 10s after 20s his drones were still shooting me and i killed him but no isks again for me :(
if a lachesis jumps into my belt and scramble me from 35km i cant do anything :) that has nothing to do with experience
i have no problems with loosing ships i killed more than i lost but make no isk
and npcing sucks i log on to have fun for a few hours not for hunting npc in lowsec
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Tecam Hund
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:47:00 -
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Piracy is pretty much the hardest profession in EVE. If you indeed have the experience then just keep trying. There are ways to make money and there are ways to ransom successfully. Most of the ransoms I demanded were paid.
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Naburi NasNaburi
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hung Well
for example i find cruiser pilots... it makes not much sence to ransom the ships so i pop it and try to ransom the pod but all i get is a smack or i dont care if you kill me
It doesnt make much sense to ransom a "young" cruiser pilots pod either. You already destroyed his most valuable good...the ship and the modules. The Clone is much cheaper and the char probably doesnt have any implants either.
Ransom the ship, even if its a small one.. a young player with just a handful isk will happily pay between 1-3 mil in order to keep the ship. The pod is pretty much useless to them as they have to get a new ship now plus modules etc.
Hope that made sense and hope you got the point.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hung Well
if a lachesis jumps into my belt and scramble me from 35km i cant do anything :) that has nothing to do with experience
If you where aware that the pilot was in local, and he zomg'd right next to you. I would still have expected you to get away.
If you didn't know he was about.... your going to die a lot 
Alliaanna
Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
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Hung Well
Loot
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hung Well on 27/07/2006 12:53:14
that seens to be my problem
i have this char for 4 days i killed 19 ships and got aprox 50% of the pods
not one single player wants to give me my ransom and i didnt want much
tryed 3m on a 5month old player and he said i will keep this 3m and put it as bounty on my head... but even this were empty words i got no bounty
many players have implants so i thought it makes more sence to ransom the pod... its difficult to ransom a ship while its still shooting me
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pshepherd
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hung Well
many players have implants so i thought it makes more sence to ransom the pod... its difficult to ransom a ship while its still shooting me
People don't trust pirates, i just ignore the pods and move on.
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Akehno
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:12:00 -
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Well if victims don't trust pirates anymore it's because some pirates kill after getting the ransom  ... so sad for you Hung but I think u should stop your pirate career for a while and go pvp in 0.0 and then come back to piracy  .... anyway, you'll loose a lot of ships in piracy hard life style 
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Akehno
Well if victims don't trust pirates anymore it's because some pirates kill after getting the ransom ... so sad for you Hung but I think u should stop your pirate career for a while and go pvp in 0.0 and then come back to piracy .... anyway, you'll loose a lot of ships in piracy hard life style
remember kiddies, commas are the speed bumps of the internet
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:19:00 -
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I've made about 130mil in Loot an ransoms in my first week in Veto... Most of that time I was flying with my corp.
Solo piracy is alot harder to make pay off.
Izo Azlion.
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Veto.
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Jetzin
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:41:00 -
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Your corp must suck, the first step in being a good pirate is joining a good pirate corp. In the first place you'll get the loot shared from kills, it wont be much but a good point to start from. A pirate corp is also descent to learn in.
Buying a char doesn't mean you'll get kills if u dont know how to pirate. Later when u get a hang of things you can go pirate solo again.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: pshepherd
Originally by: Hung Well
many players have implants so i thought it makes more sence to ransom the pod... its difficult to ransom a ship while its still shooting me
People don't trust pirates, i just ignore the pods and move on.
If you're a pirate, you must have a bad rep to think people don't pay pod ransoms.
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Gabby05
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: pshepherd
Originally by: Hung Well
many players have implants so i thought it makes more sence to ransom the pod... its difficult to ransom a ship while its still shooting me
People don't trust pirates, i just ignore the pods and move on.
If you're a pirate, you must have a bad rep to think people don't pay pod ransoms.
No his just ransoming newbies and wondering why he aint making 50 million isk a pod, thinks pirating in low sec is the only place to pirate not thinking outside the box and forgets that people actually use jumpclones in this great patch we had.
Pirating is hard but not training up bs's is denying yourself the ability to gatecamp. Piracy is supposed to be fun, nothings stopping you from trading, mining, scamming etc. Trying to rp the ideal pirate wont make you any isk at all.
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Hung Well
Loot
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Posted - 2006.07.27 17:27:00 -
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i never want 50m i set the ransoms really low... adjustet to the age of the player
they even wont pay 500k dont know why
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Naburi NasNaburi
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2006.07.27 17:49:00 -
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Honestly as a really young player I wouldnt pay 500k either for my pod after you already destroyed/looted almost all of my valuable things *g*
But I already mentioned that somewhere up on top of the thread.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.27 18:22:00 -
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I've found the best way to reduce losses is to stop sucking.
Currently training 'Stop sucking' to level 2.
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: pshepherd
Originally by: Hung Well
many players have implants so i thought it makes more sence to ransom the pod... its difficult to ransom a ship while its still shooting me
People don't trust pirates, i just ignore the pods and move on.
If you're a pirate, you must have a bad rep to think people don't pay pod ransoms.
Lots of people don't pay on principle.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.27 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: pshepherd
Originally by: Hung Well
many players have implants so i thought it makes more sence to ransom the pod... its difficult to ransom a ship while its still shooting me
People don't trust pirates, i just ignore the pods and move on.
If you're a pirate, you must have a bad rep to think people don't pay pod ransoms.
Lots of people don't pay on principle.
yeah but not so many that it is unprofitable, surely?
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Ozzie Asrail
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.27 19:56:00 -
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I've found with ransoms the real key is to try and price you ransom at slightly less than your targets ego.
30mil may be a perfectly reasonable price for a well fitted mission raven but many peoples egos wont pay that if they have to admit that to their corpm8's. 15mil may not be as much as you should get but often a little lower ransom will save ego's getting bruised and get you the easy cash
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Khabok
HMX-1
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Posted - 2006.07.27 20:57:00 -
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Ozzie's right... a lower ransom than you think what should be, and it'll get paid almost every time.
And, as a bonus, that guy will be back ratting / running in the same ship in the same place in a few days.
I've even had "regular customers" offer me a small fee just to leave them alone when I was passing through a system they happened to be in.
Trust me.. act like you're doing them a favor, and you'll get nothing. Treat it like it's a mutually beneficial business agreement, and you'll find more people are willing to pay.
It is a business, after all.
Khab
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 27/07/2006 21:12:54
If logic applied to ransoming, I'd be a billionaire.
A lot of people just don't want to pay, and will even log out just to avoid further conversation.
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