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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2355
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Posted - 2014.09.01 09:38:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I think I see where you're going, and I kind of agree. There's entirely too much "Oppression Olympics" that goes on, and it sucks and draws attention away from real issues.
Lets take the female characters in games. Yeah, it's nowhere near perfect. Tons of objectifying. Unrealistic expectations and all. It's not an "end of the world" thing though. Seeing a chainmail bikini isn't going to inspire some dude to go out and force himself on an innocent woman.
It's something that SHOULD be able to be addressed in a logical manner. Yeah, we need to tone down some of the "woman as object" ideas in gaming, but on the flipside, it's a fantasy world so there's going to be a level of idealism involved.
That's the whole thing. Ok yes, sometimes you need to speak louder to get the issue across, but let's be rational about this: being emotional about it doesn't help, and I'm pretty sure that there are people from *both* sides that could, and want to, gather around and chat in a civilized manner, yet we get the press trying to push a view that one side is oh-so-holy, and the other side is evil incarnate.
It doesn't work like that. World isn't that black-and-white. All you get from this is hate upon hate. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1291
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Posted - 2014.09.01 09:39:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/amL8mAv_460s.jpg Looks like another Boxxy Clone, ist she of any importance?  Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699
Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2355
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Posted - 2014.09.01 10:42:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Grimpak wrote:http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/amL8mAv_460s.jpg Looks like another Boxxy Clone, ist she of any importance?  dunno, just something I picked out from 9gag. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Sointu Luonnotar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2014.09.01 12:30:00 -
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First off, let me say that I don't tolerate abuse against men or women. **** and death threats are utterly despicable and those who make them should be punished with the fullest extent of the law.
But let me get this straight. You're not making a good case of yourself. You blanket statement that all men, and yes you do say, that all men who identify as gamers are "pathetic neckbeards misogynist crybaby fatties" and expect sympathy for your cause? Not as a male gamer, but just as a gamer, I am offended. Gamers can be male and female. I treat gamers as people, the way I want to be treated - that is, with at least basic human courtesy and decency. And we are the silent majority, I'm sure of it. The people who don't give other gamers different treatment other than their merits as a gamer. If someone is a terrible player, I'm not afraid to say it and offer advice if I can. If they are a great player, I will gladly compliment them - just as I would do to any other player. We are the majority. But you would damn us all because of a loud, but a small group.
I know there are radical feminists who want to kill all men - there are - but I don't hold all feminists or women in contempt because of that. I certainly don't go around calling women names on the internet or in real life just because some of them have slighted me in the past or because I disagree with their views. That is what you are doing, and you should stop it and act like a decent human being. You are the crybaby here, throwing a tantrum on people who already agree with you on some level.
Maybe you should try to understand why these people you hate so much act like they do? It won't solve any problems outright, but neither is inciting more rage and hate going to solve anything. But trying to understand, trying to empathise with other people is the way forward, not making the word gamer mean "a woman hating *******" (as apparently is the aim of the "gamergate" twitter campaign), but making the word gamer be an umbrella term for people who play games - regardless if they're male or female. The word gamer had no negative connotations, and was unisex, until recently. And it is not the gamers fault. Some of them, sure, but not all of them. Not by a long shot. |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1922
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Posted - 2014.09.01 13:54:00 -
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Andski wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:And the other 95% of games?
Face it, sex sells, so it's used very often to sell to a predominately male audience. It's a good thing that you can vote with your wallet, isn't it? I haven't seen the damsel in distress trope in a video game since the 90s.
Then, you haven't been playing many video games, since the 90's. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1922
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Posted - 2014.09.01 14:04:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:@Jarod Garamonde I don't think you're getting that the argument being given isn't necessarily something that's actually related to one individual. The harassment of that woman was obviously wrong, should never have happened, and a sign of the disgusting under-belly of the gaming community. But it's not linked to every single argument for and against the perception of women in video games. Take a deep breath and a step back before your next 'micdrop'.
I know that it's not all related to Sarkeesian... but why would that many people go to such insane lengths to protect (as I've put it a couple times in this thread) "jiggly pixelboobs and chainmail bikinis"? Because that's what it all essentially amounts to. Never you mind that even male gamers are starting to tire of the same old over-used story, and it's showing in the sales numbers. Oh, but in comes these overweight shower-shunning manchildren, screaming and crying that it's their gods-given right to have that stuff.... claiming that video games are for boys. The same kinds of "men" who deliberately chase female gamers away from the industry, and spit insults at every girl who walks into a comic book store.
Yeah... I "get" the arguments. I just hate them, and everyone who regurgitates them.
As for the terrorizing of Ms Sarkeesian.... there's no "was" to that. It's still happening. And not just to her even.... her family are getting the same threats. I'd say as a decent (don't confuse decent with "good".... I far from qualify as "good") human being, I'm allowed to be outraged about that. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
7023
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Posted - 2014.09.01 14:05:00 -
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My thoughts on this silly circus is that it has gone on long enough and we should lock them all up them in the same room. After we get them all jacked up on LSD. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |

Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2355
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Posted - 2014.09.01 14:58:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:My thoughts on this silly circus is that it has gone on long enough and we should lock them all up them in the same room. After we get them all jacked up on LSD. Meth too. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16685
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Posted - 2014.09.01 15:40:00 -
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... and yet the ASPCA hasn't gotten involved in video games due to the mass murdering of Boars in WoW....
..and don't even get me started on the sick bastards who stuff gold and other objects in those poor animals... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2014.09.01 17:27:00 -
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I'm not condoning the harassment gaming feminists Anita Sarkessian and Zoe Quinn have been receiving, but I do think you have to be pretty much out of your f*cking mind to take seriously what people such as these have to say about ethics and principles.
The above link is quite lengthy, but if you make it through you may enjoy some quality drama. It's also what's contributed significantly to this current #Gamergate situation (despite the attempts to remove discussions about it on prominent sites such as Reddit), if you want to get more in-depth information into what's going on. |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
209
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Posted - 2014.09.01 19:29:00 -
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i understand why someone would be skeptical of a white heterosexual woman who has decided that the best way to contribute to combatting social injustice is soliciting money from people to talk about video games, but when the other side is comprised of worryingly obsessive men who express their displeasure with threats of violence and sexual assault.
that being said, i have no clue how she managed to achieve her level of popularity? she emerged somewhere around the time when it was very in vogue to talk about the sexualization of women in popular media and why this was bad, but at some point there were so many people talking about it that they were all repeating the same things over and generating no new information or content. just lots of outraged pointing at scantily-clad elves. then anita made videos saying the same exact things that everyone else was saying and managed to get money for it. hats off to her for managing to sell people the same content that they could get for free, but you'd be able to get a superior experience idly thumbing thru a bell hooks text in the time it takes to watch one of her videos |

Rain6637
Team Evil
16550
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Posted - 2014.09.01 20:14:00 -
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space barbies is SO happening (I am so excited)
#the-happening President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1925
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:12:00 -
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Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:i understand why someone would be skeptical of a white heterosexual woman who has decided that the best way to contribute to combatting social injustice is soliciting money from people to talk about video games
Yes, because Sarkeesian is such a white name. She's ethnically Armenian. That's Middle-Eastern. You can tell just from looking at her she's not white.
Prolly think Italians are white, too, no? That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Rain6637
Team Evil
16584
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:14:00 -
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another thing, though. those are some big hoops man President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
210
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:30:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:i understand why someone would be skeptical of a white heterosexual woman who has decided that the best way to contribute to combatting social injustice is soliciting money from people to talk about video games Yes, because Sarkeesian is such a white name. She's ethnically Armenian. That's Middle-Eastern. You can tell just from looking at her she's not white. Prolly think Italians are white, too, no? wait, armenians aren't considered white? my dad never seemed to have a problem passing as a white guy in america, but i'll give her the benefit of the doubt and rescind my comment about her being a white lady.
i can't really comment on how white italians are considered because i'm not even the slightest bit italian, but i was under the impression that people of mediterranean and irish descent are generally classed as white in most pleas in america. then again, lots of subsets of "white" people are often not considered white enough by certain people. i'm sure someone out there would freak out about me being a filthy slav/armenian mutt
and she might not even be hetero, for all i know. but i feel like she'd make a point of it if she wasn't
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
2805
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:35:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:i understand why someone would be skeptical of a white heterosexual woman who has decided that the best way to contribute to combatting social injustice is soliciting money from people to talk about video games Yes, because Sarkeesian is such a white name. She's ethnically Armenian. That's Middle-Eastern. You can tell just from looking at her she's not white. Prolly think Italians are white, too, no?
Do you mean that neither Armenian nor italian nor (let me guess) Spaniards are white? Oh my, now this is getting funny...  The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |

Rain6637
Team Evil
16590
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:37:00 -
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alright, then lemme ask you this: what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
210
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:41:00 -
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wait jarod did you post this just to sample the delicious rage-fluids secreted by rump pained neckbeards or are you one of the people that actually gave her money to talk about video games and are now trying to desperately repress the feeling that your money has been wasted
i was really hype for this thread when i thought it was the former, but if not: it's ok, we've all done things we regret. just cancel your jezebel subscription and try to worry less about whatever they're writing on kotaku |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
2805
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:43:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:alright, then lemme ask you this: what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow
An African swallow or a European one? The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |

Rain6637
Team Evil
16590
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:47:00 -
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both, if you want to be unbiased and thorough about it. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
2575
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:50:00 -
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Every human have the same color under his skin. Its bloody red and very painfull to watch. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =˙ü |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
210
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:53:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Every human have the same color under his skin. Its bloody red and very painfull to watch. one one hand, quotes like this obfuscate the reality of realities of social power imbalances between races, but on the other hand this is phrased too perfectly to say anything against. everything about this is too good |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
2807
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:58:00 -
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Silly fact of the day: "coconut" comes from the portuguese word "coco" which means "head", as that's what the coconut fruit ressembled to the first Portuguese who saw them. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1925
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Posted - 2014.09.01 22:13:00 -
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Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:i understand why someone would be skeptical of a white heterosexual woman who has decided that the best way to contribute to combatting social injustice is soliciting money from people to talk about video games Yes, because Sarkeesian is such a white name. She's ethnically Armenian. That's Middle-Eastern. You can tell just from looking at her she's not white. Prolly think Italians are white, too, no? wait, armenians aren't considered white? my dad never seemed to have a problem passing as a white guy in america, but i'll give her the benefit of the doubt and rescind my comment about her being a white lady. i can't really comment on how white italians are considered because i'm not even the slightest bit italian, but i was under the impression that people of mediterranean and irish descent are generally classed as white in most pleas in america. then again, lots of subsets of "white" people are often not considered white enough by certain people. i'm sure someone out there would freak out about me being a filthy slav/armenian mutt and she might not even be hetero, for all i know. but i feel like she'd make a point of it if she wasn't
Most people of Mediterranean descent don't consider themselves white. Especially not in the US, considering that Italians were once the most hated ethnicity in the country (even moreso than blacks, for a good half a century or more)... ESPECIALLY considering that to this day, it's still socially acceptable to make racist comments and stereotypes about my people. Mediterranean includes Greeks, Spaniards, Turks, Portuguese, Monocans, and a few Middle-East ethnicities. Armenians are technically included in that. Italians actually have more physically in common with Arabs and Persians than any white people, not to mention Italian culture is in complete odds with other European nationalities.
As for your other post, no, I didn't give her money. But I agree with most of the things she says. I'm not sure what that "subscription to Jezebel" comment is meant to do to me. Or is that some kind of stealth "gay" joke? Cuz, if so, you can stow that. I freely admit I'm not entirely straight. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Rain6637
Team Evil
16597
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Posted - 2014.09.01 22:28:00 -
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Run, Nathaniel, Run!
dude! in over your head, in over your head! President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |

Nathaniel Raynaud
Space Interstellar Reclamation Services
211
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Posted - 2014.09.01 22:29:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote: Most people of Mediterranean descent don't consider themselves white. Especially not in the US, considering that Italians were once the most hated ethnicity in the country (even moreso than blacks, for a good half a century or more)... ESPECIALLY considering that to this day, it's still socially acceptable to make racist comments and stereotypes about my people. Mediterranean includes Greeks, Spaniards, Turks, Portuguese, Monocans, and a few Middle-East ethnicities. Armenians are technically included in that. Italians actually have more physically in common with Arabs and Persians than any white people, not to mention Italian culture is in complete odds with other European nationalities.
As for your other post, no, I didn't give her money. But I agree with most of the things she says. I'm not sure what that "subscription to Jezebel" comment is meant to do to me. Or is that some kind of stealth "gay" joke? Cuz, if so, you can stow that. I freely admit I'm not entirely straight.
mm, okay, i see. people of mediterranean descent aren't usually as addressed in mainstream discourse about racial prejudice, so i'm pretty ignorant about how they fit into the social hierarchy
jezebel is an internet journalism site that used to have lots of painfully liberal feminist articles(liberal as opposed to radical, not as opposed to conservative). i think they might have actually uncritically published an article about how giving oral sex to men was feminist. then again, i haven't really looked at it since middle school so they might have changed. also my stealth gay jokes are always coated with a heavy veneer of hypocrisy and self-loathing
there's nothing technically wrong with anything anita says. it's just all been said before, multiple times, by other people who were not demanding money to say things. of course, none of that excuses the reaction she's getting from gross gamebros
(my jezebel joke was going to be an autostraddle joke but i think they published an interview with one of my favorite game devs once so i felt kind of bad about it. and some of the articles are not so bad, if you don't mind them using the word qu**er constantly) |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1926
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Posted - 2014.09.01 22:42:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Run, Nathaniel, Run!
dude! in over your head, in over your head!
No... no, it's not really like that. I'm not seeing him as an enemy. I just didn't fully like a few of the things he said. But, we're cool now.
Yes.... BTW, I am full-on tear extracting. I hate those basement dwelling derpists. It's usually not entirely okay to use the "I have daughters" line as a justification why a man should be agreeing with feminism, but in this case, I feel I should mention it.... my oldest daughter likes "boy" games. She likes comic books. She likes cars. I'll be damned if I see her treated the way I see my friends who are also into those things treated. I stand up for them, too. I will say that I am no feminist. You don't need to be a feminist to agree with most of the things feminism says... the notion that women are people. Kind of like how I don't call myself "colorblind" anymore, when it comes to race. I respect other cultures.... "whitewashing" is just as bad as actually being racist. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Rain6637
Team Evil
16602
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Posted - 2014.09.01 22:44:00 -
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I want to participate, because it's a hot topic-ish. but this thread also strikes me as one that I should keep my arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times, and wear teflon. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1927
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Posted - 2014.09.01 22:48:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I want to participate, because it's a hot topic-ish. but this thread also strikes me as one that I should keep my arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times, and wear teflon.
Try Nomex, instead..... it's only a matter of time before the cishet neckbeards come with pitchforks and torches. For I have betrayed my gender and must be purified by pain. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Rain6637
Team Evil
16611
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Posted - 2014.09.01 22:55:00 -
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I'm also curious to see if someone will manage to suck me in. but I doubt it. I don't know much about the situation, and only have a vague grasp of the who/what/where/why/when
...which pretty much means it's a matter of time, and i'm just playing ibtl chicken. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
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