When oh when will CCP require a mandatory drug test before posting at the forums?

Can you fill me in what the **** it is about?

The Mittani is on a retweet spree on twitter with it.

Basically, a bunch of silly neckbeards got butthurt because people are listening to Anita Sarkeesian (who, by the way, is completely right on almost everything she says.... and, no, I'm not joking.... I'm sick of chainmail bikinis, too), and decided to dox her and harass her to the point where she had to move for fear of any of these idiot kids making good on their threats.
So, some things were said, and basically every basement-dwelling virgin with a blog and/or a YouTube channel that fancies himself a "journalist" seems to think she directly slandered them and "ruined their credibility"... which they never had to begin with.

Me, personally, if it didn't come from TMC or direct from a developer, I don't take it seriously, anyway.

And, for those of you who are on this crusade.... eff your feelings. You're an idiot. Quit terrorizing women for just wanting you to stop being a sexist prick, and also, stop being a sexist prick. Your stupid pixel boobs are no cause for IRL threats of death and violence.

Basically, a bunch of silly neckbeards got butthurt because people are listening to Anita Sarkeesian (who, by the way, is completely right on almost everything she says.... and, no, I'm not joking.... I'm sick of chainmail bikinis, too), and decided to dox her and harass her to the point where she had to move for fear of any of these idiot kids making good on their threats.
So, some things were said, and basically every basement-dwelling virgin with a blog and/or a YouTube channel that fancies himself a "journalist" seems to think she directly slandered them and "ruined their credibility"... which they never had to begin with.

Me, personally, if it didn't come from TMC or direct from a developer, I don't take it seriously, anyway.

And, for those of you who are on this crusade.... eff your feelings. You're an idiot. Quit terrorizing women for just wanting you to stop being a sexist prick, and also, stop being a sexist prick. Your stupid pixel boobs are no cause for IRL threats of death and violence.

What makes you think that other people here should have an opinion about that massive piece of first world bullshit?

That the **** is wrong with people?

Hint: if most of the people you know own a computer, and have access to the internet... you live in a "first world" country.

Any more questions?

Yes, what is more relevant? An American somebody who wants to be famous or how 52% of the people under 30 in my country are unemployed?

The former It's just videogames and a clamber struggling for fame. The later it's millions of young people without a future nor a way to attain it.

What is more relevant?

CCP has yet to release half naked spaceships.

Attn: #Gamergate People

I hate you all.

Anita Sarkeesian rules!
Gary Johnson, 2016!

How is that my fault? How is that anyone here's fault? Seriously?

I'm to blame for your 53% unemployment rate?
I'm done listening to you.

OP, I believe you have your aspersion dispenser set to "spray."

Regarding the topic, the people who threatened Anita ought to be tossed in jail, as they certainly committed a crime.

And while I do enjoy the chainmail bikini and pixel boobage here and there, I do not enjoy seeing or engaging in simulated violence against women. I tend not to play those kinds of games.

The exception: Quake and Unreal (in their more modern iterations) where everyone is equally violent right back if they're not on your team. (I'd usually just make all of my team members the female characters, and the bot team all male or alien... it just sat better with me.)

You insulted me, then proceeded to agree with my stance.
I'm confused?

http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/amL8mAv_460s.jpg

If it left a mark, then you are also easily contused.

That's NOT how it actually works.
You're not paying attention to reality.

Furthermore, you're only proving my gifs accurate.

Ah yes, a SJW then.

And I pay attention to reality. I know of women that work harder than any man just to put food on the table.

so like, gender verification for avatars is going to be a thing?

Basically, a bunch of silly neckbeards got butthurt because people are listening to Anita Sarkeesian (who, by the way, is completely right on almost everything she says.... and, no, I'm not joking.... I'm sick of chainmail bikinis, too), and decided to dox her and harass her to the point where she had to move for fear of any of these idiot kids making good on their threats.
So, some things were said, and basically every basement-dwelling virgin with a blog and/or a YouTube channel that fancies himself a "journalist" seems to think she directly slandered them and "ruined their credibility"... which they never had to begin with.

Me, personally, if it didn't come from TMC or direct from a developer, I don't take it seriously, anyway.

And, for those of you who are on this crusade.... eff your feelings. You're an idiot. Quit terrorizing women for just wanting you to stop being a sexist prick, and also, stop being a sexist prick. Your stupid pixel boobs are no cause for IRL threats of death and violence.

I too agree with most of what she says.

the only legit criticism is that she took all that money and stopped producing ANY new content. Then got re-listed as a charity for tax purposes. Then continued to not release ANYTHING despite asking for donations toward a nonspecific "project".

Soooo yeah. Is she right?

Duh.


Is she abusing the trust people invested in her?

Duh.


Should goons act outraged that she got doxed and death threats?
lol not unless they are being ~ironic~

You know.... this whole "grrrrr Goons" undertone.
I unno, mate. But I see you as an ally in this thread, so Imma let it go. :p

(PS: it's mostly Mittens who is outraged... not Goonswarm as an entity)

That's my point. He doxed me in his CSM thread years ago. So I find it funny that hes throwing a fit.

Making fun of crybaby neckbeards makes me a social justice warrior?
And here I was thinking it made me just "a bloke who makes fun of crybaby neckbeards"....

Most people of even slightly above-average intelligence find stupidity exasperating. I'm going to teach you a thing, right now.... if you don't like being generalized, don't generalize others.
Also, if you claim to be a "nice guy", yet you complain when a girl doesn't want to have sex with you.... you're NOT a nice guy. Nice guys just move on.

Thing is, I'm not the one generalizing others. Apparently, this new wave of "feminists" which pretty much have nothing to do with the feminists that came before, and we should respect, produced people that have the same level of intelligence that they are attempting to get rid of.
Add the grand standing enabling tool that is the internet, and you end up with the poorest examples of misguided feminism, attention-seeking SJWs and half-baked sensationalist journalists, all jumbled up in a whirlpool that doesn't help *at all* the feminist cause. Add, also self-empowered, counter-reactionary misguided tools and you end up with a clusterfuck of epic proportions that attracts the wrong kind of attention to the issue at hand.

And what the **** was that last statement?

That's not what feminism is about. You're focusing on the spotlight rangers and toxic narcissist female supremists, which make up about 2% of the total number of self-identifying feminists, and trying to say ALL feminists are like that.

Please explain to me on what planet is putting more clothes on video game characters and giving women personalities "oppressing" to male gamers (who are essentially handed everything they want on a silver platter). Sperg some more. Your ilk's collective temper tantrums taste delicious.

Finally the guy gets it.


You see, that's what I'm trying to say. While the fact that Sarkeesian is or is not one of those is a matter of discussion, she is being used as the banner for all those spotlight ranger and toxic narcissist female supremacists. You see, it might be just 2%, but it's a highly vocal 2%, and those are the ones that are ruining the whole thing since if they scream the loudest, then they might be the majority, right? So let's follow them!

"video games portray women as sex objects and damsels in distress"

Except Lara Croft from the Tomb Raider series, Clara Lille from Watch Dogs, Alyx Vance from Half-Life 2, Samus Aran from Metroid, Chell from the Portal series, loads of strong female characters from TES and Fallout (like Irileth from Skyrim, Amata Almodovar from FO3, Rose of Sharon Cassidy from New Vegas) and so many others.

And the other 95% of games?

Face it, sex sells, so it's used very often to sell to a predominately male audience.

It's a good thing that you can vote with your wallet, isn't it? I haven't seen the damsel in distress trope in a video game since the 90s.

I don't believe I ever mentioned a "damsel in distress trope". But the objectification of women is definitely there in any industry that sells to a primarily male audience.

And the women who are "objectified" (even in gaming, as the 3D models are often based on 3D body scans) do so of their own volition. Do I need to point out the hypocrisy of feminists - who believe that women should be able to make their own choices regardless of society's objections - objecting to that?

Sorry, but 3D models are not usually made by 3D body scans.

Doesn't affect the validity of my point one bit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/29/gaming-vlogger-anita-sarkeesian-is-forced-from-home-after-receiving-harrowing-death-threats/

This is pretty screwed up. No one should have to go through that for having an opinion.

Do you even listen to anything she says? Or are you just blindly following the talking heads?
Because defending people who have terrorized and threatened a woman who spoke her opinion (an opinions she, as an American, had a legal right to express... a legal right you want to strip from her, while screaming that your own is being taken from you).... guess what that is? Deplorable. Subhuman. Sickening. WRONG.

**micdrop**

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Here's what I follow:

I read arguments form both sides, and both sides can be, deplorable, subhuman sickening and wrong. Issue is, these ones tend to be the ones that gather more attention.

Mysoginy exists on both sides, as does mysandry.

The few, rational and coherent voices that pop up on all this are drowned in a sea of rage for the sake of raging, and any attempt to actually be helpful is labeled as "profiteering" (feminists calling out the guys who invented a nail polish that can detect **** drugs as "profiting and creating a false sense of security" is the best example of this) or "betrayal to the cause.", because **** different opinions about the same issue, if you're not with me, you're my bitter enemy.

In the end, what I see is pretty much children using the internet as a means to gather attention (by themselves or exploiting someone's image and twist it), not to the cause, but to themselves, and a sensationalist press, looking to up their ratings gives them a hand, instead trying to get to the truth.



Hey, but that's my opinion on this whole, sordid and deplorable mess.

I think I see where you're going, and I kind of agree. There's entirely too much "Oppression Olympics" that goes on, and it sucks and draws attention away from real issues.

Lets take the female characters in games. Yeah, it's nowhere near perfect. Tons of objectifying. Unrealistic expectations and all. It's not an "end of the world" thing though. Seeing a chainmail bikini isn't going to inspire some dude to go out and force himself on an innocent woman.

It's something that SHOULD be able to be addressed in a logical manner. Yeah, we need to tone down some of the "woman as object" ideas in gaming, but on the flipside, it's a fantasy world so there's going to be a level of idealism involved.

http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/amL8mAv_460s.jpg

Looks like another Boxxy Clone, ist she of any importance?

It's a good thing that you can vote with your wallet, isn't it? I haven't seen the damsel in distress trope in a video game since the 90s.

@Jarod Garamonde
I don't think you're getting that the argument being given isn't necessarily something that's actually related to one individual. The harassment of that woman was obviously wrong, should never have happened, and a sign of the disgusting under-belly of the gaming community. But it's not linked to every single argument for and against the perception of women in video games. Take a deep breath and a step back before your next 'micdrop'.

My thoughts on this silly circus is that it has gone on long enough and we should lock them all up them in the same room. After we get them all jacked up on LSD.

i understand why someone would be skeptical of a white heterosexual woman who has decided that the best way to contribute to combatting social injustice is soliciting money from people to talk about video games

Yes, because Sarkeesian is such a white name. She's ethnically Armenian. That's Middle-Eastern. You can tell just from looking at her she's not white.

Prolly think Italians are white, too, no?

Yes, because Sarkeesian is such a white name. She's ethnically Armenian. That's Middle-Eastern. You can tell just from looking at her she's not white.

Prolly think Italians are white, too, no?

alright, then lemme ask you this: what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow

Every human have the same color under his skin. Its bloody red and very painfull to watch.

wait, armenians aren't considered white? my dad never seemed to have a problem passing as a white guy in america, but i'll give her the benefit of the doubt and rescind my comment about her being a white lady.

i can't really comment on how white italians are considered because i'm not even the slightest bit italian, but i was under the impression that people of mediterranean and irish descent are generally classed as white in most pleas in america. then again, lots of subsets of "white" people are often not considered white enough by certain people. i'm sure someone out there would freak out about me being a filthy slav/armenian mutt

and she might not even be hetero, for all i know. but i feel like she'd make a point of it if she wasn't

Most people of Mediterranean descent don't consider themselves white. Especially not in the US, considering that Italians were once the most hated ethnicity in the country (even moreso than blacks, for a good half a century or more)... ESPECIALLY considering that to this day, it's still socially acceptable to make racist comments and stereotypes about my people.
Mediterranean includes Greeks, Spaniards, Turks, Portuguese, Monocans, and a few Middle-East ethnicities. Armenians are technically included in that.
Italians actually have more physically in common with Arabs and Persians than any white people, not to mention Italian culture is in complete odds with other European nationalities.

As for your other post, no, I didn't give her money. But I agree with most of the things she says. I'm not sure what that "subscription to Jezebel" comment is meant to do to me. Or is that some kind of stealth "gay" joke? Cuz, if so, you can stow that. I freely admit I'm not entirely straight.

Run, Nathaniel, Run!

dude! in over your head, in over your head!

I want to participate, because it's a hot topic-ish. but this thread also strikes me as one that I should keep my arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times, and wear teflon.

I want to participate, because it's a hot topic-ish. but this thread also strikes me as one that I should keep my arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times, and wear teflon.

No... no, it's not really like that. I'm not seeing him as an enemy. I just didn't fully like a few of the things he said. But, we're cool now.

Yes.... BTW, I am full-on tear extracting. I hate those basement dwelling derpists.
It's usually not entirely okay to use the "I have daughters" line as a justification why a man should be agreeing with feminism, but in this case, I feel I should mention it.... my oldest daughter likes "boy" games. She likes comic books. She likes cars. I'll be damned if I see her treated the way I see my female friends who are also into those things treated. I stand up for them, too.
I will say that I am no feminist. You don't need to be a feminist to agree with most of the things feminism says... the notion that women are people.
Kind of like how I don't call myself "colorblind" anymore, when it comes to race. I respect other cultures.... "whitewashing" is just as bad as actually being racist.

[quote=Rain6637]
seeing a video game dad use words like "cishet" and "whitewashing" is so surreal... but kind of cool, really. do you mind if i ask why you don't call yourself a feminist? it seems like dudes calling themselves feminists is generally encouraged within most liberal activist circles

Silly fact of the day: "coconut" comes from the portuguese word "coco" which means "head", as that's what the coconut fruit ressembled to the first Portuguese who saw them.

Oh wow, people just added racial issues here?
Just awesome guys. Hey, there's a building on fire there! Let's kill the fire with gasoline and gunpowder!



Just when I expected people would actually calm down and talk in a more rational manner, somebody fanned the flames even more.




eh, actually I find that odd, because "coconut" translated to portuguese is "coco". "Head" translated in portuguese is "cabe+ºa".

the name we gave to the coconut is actually related to mythology

Most people of Mediterranean descent don't consider themselves white. Especially not in the US, considering that Italians were once the most hated ethnicity in the country (even moreso than blacks, for a good half a century or more)... ESPECIALLY considering that to this day, it's still socially acceptable to make racist comments and stereotypes about my people.
Mediterranean includes Greeks, Spaniards, Turks, Portuguese, Monocans, and a few Middle-East ethnicities. Armenians are technically included in that.
Italians actually have more physically in common with Arabs and Persians than any white people, not to mention Italian culture is in complete odds with other European nationalities. We really should be legitimized as a separate racial category.(...).

What is considered white in the USA is not the same as in Europe.

Which is exactly what happens with the Sarkeesian/whatshername issue, which may be a hot topic in the USA, but is pure bullshit in Europe.

After having read this through, I have absolutely zero clue why it's not locked yet, or a day or more ago.