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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.02 22:28:00 -
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Querns wrote:Grace Chang wrote:
You're misinformed about the mechanics of nullsec mining.
I am not, i used to run quite a few mining ops in 0.0.
You can run mining ops while still being dangerously misinformed about how things actually work. Mining in RELIC sites? Really? The entire crux of your argument is that people should engage in hideously sub-optimal money making strategies to produce a pittance of the materials needed while simultaneously hitting their heads against the brick wall that is the literal game mechanics of Eve: Online, instead of adding a very small concession to highsec to ease the movement of minerals throughout the market.
How is it sub optimal when you have a shortage?
Put some mining fleets out there and stop expecting all the highsec noobies to take all the risks in mining for you.
As far as compression, I check every week or so to see if compressing will pay me more then refining. Right now refining pays better. If you want more compressed ore out of highec, raise the price on your buys. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2200
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:45:00 -
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Shoogie wrote:Sentamon wrote:As far as compression, I check every week or so to see if compressing will pay me more then refining. Right now refining pays better. If you want more compressed ore out of highec, raise the price on your buys. I don't know where in high sec you are, Sentamon, but I suspect something is wrong with your math. Currently in Jita, the buy order price for Tritanium is 5.34 isk each. The buy order price for Compressed Veldspar is 2061 isk each. Assume you have mined 1M units of Veldspar. That is 100k m3: less than 4 mackinaws, or less than a single orca. In a high sec NPC station, with maximum skills and the refining implant, you can turn that into 3,004,600 tritanium and sell it to the buy order for 16,044,564 isk. Or, you could turn that 1M units of Veldspar into 10k units of compressed veldspar and sell it to the buy order for 20,610,000 isk. To compress the ore cost you 1 hour of fuel at a small POS, which is between 150k and 200k isk depending on the faction. So compressing this 100k of ore would net 4.3M isk more than refining. Bonus, it also made it much smaller and easier to haul. This has been consistent for the last several weeks. I'll let you do the math on all the other high sec ores. Then figure out how much ore you can fly to your POS and compress in the hour your POS is online.
Sounds good, but that's not quite how it works.
First you expect miners to take roughly a 20-30% loss to mine Veldspar instead of the top 4 ores. Then you want them to go through the POS hassle. For that to happen Comp Veldspar prices would have to be more profitable then mining Pyrox as an example.
What happens now is the smart miners hit the top 4 highsec ores, refine and fill the orders for Pye, Mex, and Noc, and whatever Trit is left over from the refine is being hordor until the next price spike.
To use your example. Comp Veld would need to be about 2400 isk each to make it ever worth looking at.
Also did a quick check on Compressed Pyrox and it would be a 20% loss selling Pyrox compressed instead of refining. Thats assuming I want to sell the Trit at these extremely low prices.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2206
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Posted - 2014.09.04 16:46:00 -
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Firvain wrote: So im recruiting miners, anyone wants to mine some veldspar in 0.0 belts feel free to mail me!
Good luck finding people willing to pay $10 so they can mine 0.0 for CFC. 
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2206
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Posted - 2014.09.04 17:42:00 -
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My spies tell me that Mittens is so upset at the Goon tears he will be logging in for the first time in a year and leading mining fleets to farm Veldspar. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2206
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Posted - 2014.09.04 18:02:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:this thread is reminding me though why it's so great to whip the lash at highsec
we gotta do that some more, it's been a little while since we ground our boot in highsec's face and taught them who their masters are
Will you come with the max yield exhumer bots that you run in dullsec?
I hope so, just got a new shipment of cats. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2206
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Posted - 2014.09.04 18:46:00 -
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Querns wrote:Also, is asking for any change "crying," or is it only changes you don't agree with?
Yes. Asking for changes that directly benefit you is infact crying. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2206
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:10:00 -
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Querns wrote:Sentamon wrote:Querns wrote:Also, is asking for any change "crying," or is it only changes you don't agree with? Yes. Asking for changes that directly benefit you is infact crying. So, should no man in Eve: Online, a spaceship game, ever deign to attempt to better their own position in this manner? How deep does the cognitive dissonance run?
Yes exactly. The most powerful players should in fact only propose ideas that challenge their position. Maybe its something people will figure out before subs drop another 25%. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2207
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:41:00 -
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Wopasi wrote:If the given supply of a product cannot meet the current demand, then the general response is the price increases. As the price increases this gives other suppliers the incentive to increase the volume of the product in demand. Eventually the supply of product and the accepted value of that product will somewhat stabilize.
It may not be happening fast enough, but it will eventually. Now this is Eve so the opportunities to screw over each other, set up a cartel, manipulate the price, or just be a **** are endless.
Offer more isk for what you want and the market will respond.
You can assume they're having financial difficulties, hence the need to cry to CCP and highsec miners for help. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2207
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:19:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Sentamon wrote:Querns wrote:Also, is asking for any change "crying," or is it only changes you don't agree with? Yes. Asking for changes that directly benefit you is infact crying. all changes that make EVE Online a better game benefit us because as the Overmen we will maintain our position of dominance regardless of the changes, but the better the game is the more we enjoy playing it in addition to the enjoyment we always get of being gods among cattle Aaand you just made my mind up..I was about to buy a pos and array. But there is no way i'm going to compress and sell to you lot now. I'll take the minute hit in lost revenue (and a lot less hassle) cheers. Isn't there a song about true colours? If not there should be.
Every highsec miner needs to read this thread. You can bet the vast majority will do the same. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2207
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Posted - 2014.09.04 22:21:00 -
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Hmmm .. risk multi-billion isk freighters hauling Ore to Jita
Nope ... sorry ... not happening. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2207
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Posted - 2014.09.04 22:42:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Sentamon wrote:Hmmm .. risk multi-billion isk freighters hauling Ore to Jita
Nope ... sorry ... not happening. Work out the value you can move in a blockade runner of compressed ore. Then blink, work it out again. And consider not using a Freighter.
I wouldn't take a blockage runner or anything else filled with ore to Jita these days. Now that I really think about it, mining ore for anything but a local highsec producer is incredibly stupid and wasteful. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2207
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Posted - 2014.09.04 22:53:00 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:Sentamon wrote:Hmmm .. risk multi-billion isk freighters hauling Ore to Jita
Nope ... sorry ... not happening. freighter loads of high sec barely tops 400 mil Anyway, I bring in freighters, setup a pos, compress and jump out, all in about an hour or so Small faction towers take 12 min to anchor and online, very little overall time You act like this is my first rodeo
The freighter alone is 1.3 bil ISK. Risking that hauling ore to a major trade hub probably isn't the best idea these days. I know there are those that disagree, and they make for great CODE. kill mails. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2208
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:42:00 -
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Umm .. refining takes massing amounts of skill points and specialization per ore type, raising standings for a station or running your own POS in highsec, (which completely sucks btw), and expensive implants.
You want to replace all that with a no brain, no skill, no effort Orca or mobile compression array just to supply nullsec with cheap compressed ore. What are you smoking?
If this happens CCP needs to add specialized skills for compressing different type of ores, compression implants, and if NPC station compression is added then standing for compression efficiency.
Otherwise offer every refiner a SP and impant refund when they give this amazing gift to nullsec cartels in the clear effort to completely kill off highsec industry.
I have a better idea, if you want localized industry in nullsec then go scrap over your regular belts just like highsec miners have too, compress your own ore, and haul it to wherever you're producing. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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