Dont fly with ISN will stop the mothership killing.
Besides: just stop the 'incursions pay too well for highsec' mimimi.
Incursions pay much more in low and null. So grow a pair of balls and stop whining like a girl.

agree. For something that happens in hisec, incursions pay too well

I seem to recall a certain incident not too long ago when DIN tried the same stunt of ragepopping moms when ISN formed a fleet, and they tried to use the same logic. Didn't work too well then either.

Quoted for truth.

so i have no idea why CCP StopBeingBad even buffed them.

Just for your own interest, that bunch of griefers are some of the biggest HQ incursion channels. I did write quite a bit about the motivation and goals of this last year in the "Incursion starts here" thread. People always looking at the symptoms, instead of the real motive and the problems behind it. Bottom line, give it some time till the HQ channels are done and do something else in the meantime. It is not like some people called the changes of the respawn timer bad in the official thread, because they did know that it doesn't change player behaviour, it just cases a bit more work and will provoke even more Incursions being closed for individual goals of certain channels.



It isn't really a buff, the AS changes are poorly done(since they make AS even less attractive to specialize in for channels that want to get out of IS boxing on-line VGs and can't find enough people for HQ fleets) and there was no intent to actually using dev time to rework the site that creates most of the issues in AS since the very introduction of Incursions(yes the issues are there since the very beginning of Incs, 3.5 years ago), Scouts are still pointless(as pointed out by every single person that did them on sissi in any test server thread about them) and if you go to the Journal you can clearly see that the faster re-spawn timers helped a lot, at least if the intention was to start a new arms race between HQ channels.

While I get the "new super improved quick expansion cycle", it didn't do particular well in the process of improving things. The Inc changes are pointless, the Nestor change was pointless and people didn't really see a lot of effort or communication put into the HAC balance pass.

is it me or is there now 3 augas in the ncos when before there was only 2?

In all honesty. It has been at least 1 year since I have last run incursions but posts like yours apply to a lot of other topics as well...

By griefing you mean they basically deny you the sites ?

Well... you gotta see it from that point. sure maybe they dont gain anything in particular (like isk/ ransoms or w/e)
but some players just play the game to troll others or more known as "harvesting tears" which tbh is totally fine.

I'm thoroughly enjoying watching all the butthurt come from ISN. TVP Chat blew up today and I raffed!

As long as ISN stays docked up, everyone makes money. Next time maybe they wont be so quick to steal loot.

How much was all the loot they took? I'm pretty sure they got enough that they can comfortably not run incursions for awhile. Whereas the people who lost all their loot are prolly still working on replacing it.

And what if ISN decides they are not going to stay docked up? No one makes money? People will eventually realize they can make more isk from running L4s instead of failed incursions?

Dont fly with ISN will stop the mothership killing.

ISN stole from TVP, TVP got mad, now TVP is rage popping mom sites once ISN forms a HQ fleet.
Didyouknow: 6 HQ sites = 7.5b total? Asssuming they've got all 40 people of course. And that doesn't include the concord lp.

13. TVP has the biggest incursion SRP, even if the program started like just before Noble looted the field?


#nerfISN

Noble is just a internet spaceship game dweeb.

NOBLE THIS ISN'T REAL BR'A.

Dude, check out ISN coms someday. Almost everyone on them is laughing at TVP for the butthurt is strong with them.

TVP may feel they are justified in Mom-popping but they must accept responsibility for closing the incursion, not try to blame others.

I think in response, we should pop the mom every time TVP forms an HQ fleet as well :D

You laugh me laugh let's meet after 6 months of moms popping every time ISN undock......and let's see who is still laughing.

Hi i am a long time player and i am not a rocket scientist, but i am wondering why the incursion system seams broken. I mean why are they so easily destroyed why would you spawn the mother ships so that a new incursion site goes down in 1 hour or less it seams like. and then we have to wait for the next re-spawn. i would think to kill the escalation it should have to be up for a static amount of time before the mother ships spawns and makes the incursion collapsible. You have people trying to enjoy this game doing incursions yet you allow them to just be insta popped by a bunch of "griefers" yes i say griefers because they really are getting nothing out of popping the sites except stopping others from being able to enjoy the game in the manner they wish. I think this was a very bad game mechanic design. this is just a personal observation.

To be honest its got to the point where ISN are needing to use ISboxer to get up HQ fleets anyone that has flown with/against them regularly recently knows this.

Let's all remember for a second we are talking communitys of "elite red cross shooters in highsec" people who fight the boredom of flying the same 3 sites for hours over and over, is it really a surprise there is drama/meta/spais here?

Every player that is forced to go explore other isk generating options ie null/wh/low means more fun for everybody, to those that quit? Goodbye, maybe try a theme park mmo as you are clearly not fully exploring the sandbox.

I do feel sorry for the people who have to wait up to 3 hours to get into the TVP fleet if you are a TVP regular I can only say we try to get 2nd fleets up as much as possible.

To the spurgers who threaten Nados and Decs I say Come at me.

Finally for a small donation of 20bil to the HK wallet I will stop popping moms.

I also doubt that anybody would wait 3h in the wait list just to fly with TVP, given that last time I checked it takes like 15-30 minutes to find a fleet with a shield hull(lots of channels and lots of fleets around), you can be nearly instantly on grid in armor at least after DT till the end of EU TZ when IIC pub, OIC as well as most TDF FCs run.

I was shocked too but the post dt tz sometimes has 40 or more in wl 3 hour waits are the worst they get but I have invited many people who have waited 2+ hours and several over 3 next time it happens I will ss it.

Ask BigRey again about Jeb Isboxing super tanked non primary fit nm's to get the fleet up, not the first time and not the last ISN's shrinking community was only able to get a fleet up because of ISBox

Oh and to the wtm mom loot thing?

Yea the FC at the time felt a bit bad we were popping all the moms and were like yea here have some **** for free,
WTM then came back with some bs chatlog about bribery and yet they still took the loot even though they told us to f off?
We won't be feeling bad for them again although I personally have been avoiding contesting them if there are other sites available generally.

Anyway seriously don't x up for my fleets, I am the most toxic terrible fc tvp has and have a staggering number of loses.

I do not care what any other community thinks why would I?

I do not care what any other community thinks why would I?

The way I see it either TVP will die or ISN will die.

My offer still stands though 20bil to HK wallet and I stop popping moms. Not really much for a community of billionaires.

I am not leadership, I prefer not to play evemail online.

Petty insults? Please come up with something that at least makes me laugh, some of your members join our teamspeak and make funnies :)

The only people I feel sorry for are the I have to apologise to for the massive wl's for my fleets.

The way I see it either TVP will die or ISN will die.

One community has been fairly chill for years, the other has pissed off pretty much every other community.

My community is the one that doesn't need to rely on the crutch that is ISBoxers. Eventually all but a small group of core players will grow tired of all the jumps for a few sites and give up or ISN will just turn into DIN and ISBOX all the things.

My offer still stands though 20bil to HK wallet and I stop popping moms. Not really much for a community of billionaires.

Every community rely on mutes and bans.

Unless you are leadership in those communities you can speculate all you like about who was/wasn't on board.

Don't think we ever claimed helix was though.

On a plus side incursions are up and fleets are running.

For how long we shall soon see.


Don't forget for the low low price of 20bil to the HK wallet I stop popping moms :)

Every community rely on mutes and bans.

That is not true. The only ones I ever banned in OIC where some pizza alts and later pizza chars that tried to troll people in OIC(mostly because of her ganking, I can life with a bit of trolling). I even allow Major Leconfuzed not only on his Alt but also on his Main in my channel(he banned me twice from TDF) and he even tried to convince people in the OIC channel to come back to TDF(I found it quite amusing to watch, given that he banned most of them himself from TDF in the first place) because I think it is silly and most people in leadership position misuse the tool because they lack the communication skills to get her point across, what is rather sad in my opinion.

Haha, only twice? I think he banned me at least 5 times on 10 different toons :)