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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:54:00 -
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Hi i am a long time player and i am not a rocket scientist, but i am wondering why the incursion system seams broken. I mean why are they so easily destroyed why would you spawn the mother ships so that a new incursion site goes down in 1 hour or less it seams like. and then we have to wait for the next re-spawn. i would think to kill the escalation it should have to be up for a static amount of time before the mother ships spawns and makes the incursion collapsible. You have people trying to enjoy this game doing incursions yet you allow them to just be insta popped by a bunch of "griefers" yes i say griefers because they really are getting nothing out of popping the sites except stopping others from being able to enjoy the game in the manner they wish. I think this was a very bad game mechanic design. this is just a personal observation. |
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
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Posted - 2014.09.03 02:22:00 -
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agree. For something that happens in hisec, incursions pay too well
so i have no idea why CCP StopBeingBad even buffed them. |
Charadrass
Angry Germans Again
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Posted - 2014.09.03 11:13:00 -
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Dont fly with ISN will stop the mothership killing.
Besides: just stop the 'incursions pay too well for highsec' mimimi.
Incursions pay much more in low and null. So grow a pair of balls and stop whining like a girl. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
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Posted - 2014.09.03 12:28:00 -
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Charadrass wrote:Dont fly with ISN will stop the mothership killing.
Besides: just stop the 'incursions pay too well for highsec' mimimi.
Incursions pay much more in low and null. So grow a pair of balls and stop whining like a girl.
I seem to recall a certain incident not too long ago when DIN tried the same stunt of ragepopping moms when ISN formed a fleet, and they tried to use the same logic. Didn't work too well then either. |
S'No Flake
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.09.03 12:48:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:agree. For something that happens in hisec, incursions pay too well
Specially in the last 2 weeks or so =)) |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:49:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Charadrass wrote:Dont fly with ISN will stop the mothership killing.
Besides: just stop the 'incursions pay too well for highsec' mimimi.
Incursions pay much more in low and null. So grow a pair of balls and stop whining like a girl. I seem to recall a certain incident not too long ago when DIN tried the same stunt of ragepopping moms when ISN formed a fleet, and they tried to use the same logic. Didn't work too well then either.
Quoted for truth. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1885
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:00:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Charadrass wrote:Dont fly with ISN will stop the mothership killing.
Besides: just stop the 'incursions pay too well for highsec' mimimi.
Incursions pay much more in low and null. So grow a pair of balls and stop whining like a girl. I seem to recall a certain incident not too long ago when DIN tried the same stunt of ragepopping moms when ISN formed a fleet, and they tried to use the same logic. Didn't work too well then either. Quoted for truth.
I see ISN HQ fleet less and less often (2 times during last 4 days) and it seems most players have understood concept "no ISN HQ fleet = no mom popping". For me it does look like TVP "sanctions" work exactly as intended. |
Dsparil Mal
N.F.H.P.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.09.03 19:33:00 -
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I'm thoroughly enjoying watching all the butthurt come from ISN. TVP Chat blew up today and I raffed! 
As long as ISN stays docked up, everyone makes money. Next time maybe they wont be so quick to steal loot.
Erotica 1 for CSM 9! |
Ludus Lucrius
WildCards 22nd
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Posted - 2014.09.04 08:48:00 -
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Incursion system seems broken because it is working "as intended" couple of years ago.
But while it took 4+ hours to get mothership to spawn in the old days, it takes merely an hour or so to do it now.
As much as it would be great if mothership would spawn only when incursion goes to mobilizing or even
withdrawal that is just too unrealistic change to expect.
Prolonging the time it takes to grind the blue bar could give us few hours more of "farming", although on not
so ideal conditions, but it would not solve the "problem" which is closing down all of the hisec incursions,
and putting incursion fleets out of work for 6-36 hours. What made incursion farmville possible were
the agreements, however fragile, made between communities in old days (incursion stays until
mobilizing/withdrawal), and later, to lesser extent, "griefing awareness" (f.e. killing all incursions but the last one).
One thing that hasn't changed all that time is the method which incursion communities choose to
"force"/grief other communities to "follow suite" or just "play to their hand" : closing all incursions;
which is happening now and no doubt will happen again :) The only difference is that while in a past
it was a solution (mostly because we had just two major communities with more or less similar goals)
nowdays it is mostly griefing tool waving.
If we want to stop this madness we should look for solution among ourselfs,
not expecting "hand of god" to solve it for us. |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.04 11:05:00 -
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Just for your own interest, that bunch of griefers are some of the biggest HQ incursion channels. I did write quite a bit about the motivation and goals of this last year in the "Incursion starts here" thread. People always looking at the symptoms, instead of the real motive and the problems behind it. Bottom line, give it some time till the HQ channels are done and do something else in the meantime. It is not like some people called the changes of the respawn timer bad in the official thread, because they did know that it doesn't change player behaviour, it just cases a bit more work and will provoke even more Incursions being closed for individual goals of certain channels.
nahjustwarpin wrote:so i have no idea why CCP StopBeingBad even buffed them.
It isn't really a buff, the AS changes are poorly done(since they make AS even less attractive to specialize in for channels that want to get out of IS boxing on-line VGs and can't find enough people for HQ fleets) and there was no intent to actually using dev time to rework the site that creates most of the issues in AS since the very introduction of Incursions(yes the issues are there since the very beginning of Incs, 3.5 years ago), Scouts are still pointless(as pointed out by every single person that did them on sissi in any test server thread about them) and if you go to the Journal you can clearly see that the faster re-spawn timers helped a lot, at least if the intention was to start a new arms race between HQ channels.
While I get the "new super improved quick expansion cycle", it didn't do particular well in the process of improving things. The Inc changes are pointless, the Nestor change was pointless and people didn't really see a lot of effort or communication put into the HAC balance pass. |
Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:15:00 -
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IMO the mom shouldn't show up until the incursion is "mobilized." |
Myth Oceanas
Chancellor's of Anarchy
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Posted - 2014.09.04 20:47:00 -
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What is wrong with Incursions is what always happens in Eve. We figure out how things work. That is it once we know what makes the clock tick we kick its a**. |
fudface
ACME-INC
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Posted - 2014.09.05 05:29:00 -
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Jill Antaris wrote:Just for your own interest, that bunch of griefers are some of the biggest HQ incursion channels. I did write quite a bit about the motivation and goals of this last year in the "Incursion starts here" thread. People always looking at the symptoms, instead of the real motive and the problems behind it. Bottom line, give it some time till the HQ channels are done and do something else in the meantime. It is not like some people called the changes of the respawn timer bad in the official thread, because they did know that it doesn't change player behaviour, it just cases a bit more work and will provoke even more Incursions being closed for individual goals of certain channels. nahjustwarpin wrote:so i have no idea why CCP StopBeingBad even buffed them. It isn't really a buff, the AS changes are poorly done(since they make AS even less attractive to specialize in for channels that want to get out of IS boxing on-line VGs and can't find enough people for HQ fleets) and there was no intent to actually using dev time to rework the site that creates most of the issues in AS since the very introduction of Incursions(yes the issues are there since the very beginning of Incs, 3.5 years ago), Scouts are still pointless(as pointed out by every single person that did them on sissi in any test server thread about them) and if you go to the Journal you can clearly see that the faster re-spawn timers helped a lot, at least if the intention was to start a new arms race between HQ channels. While I get the "new super improved quick expansion cycle", it didn't do particular well in the process of improving things. The Inc changes are pointless, the Nestor change was pointless and people didn't really see a lot of effort or communication put into the HAC balance pass.
is it me or is there now 3 augas in the ncos when before there was only 2?
my 2 isk worth
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Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
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Posted - 2014.09.05 06:52:00 -
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In all honesty. It has been at least 1 year since I have last run incursions but posts like yours apply to a lot of other topics as well...
By griefing you mean they basically deny you the sites ?
Well... you gotta see it from that point. sure maybe they dont gain anything in particular (like isk/ ransoms or w/e)
but some players just play the game to troll others or more known as "harvesting tears" which tbh is totally fine.
Incursions are a very easy and high profitable way of making a crap ton of isk in a short amount of time.
You should be able to deal with those drawbacks caused by "griefers".
As you said. They play their game how it is fun to them and you play it how it is fun to you.
Instead of crying on the forums you could sit down with your mates and figure how maybe counter it ?
I am just very allergic to farmers that want to gain isk all day long. as much as possible without any risks and drawbacks... and no.. NPCs are not risky.
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Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2014.09.05 06:58:00 -
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fudface wrote:is it me or is there now 3 augas in the ncos when before there was only 2?
The NCO Auga spawn is randomized and can be 2 or 3 at once, same as many other spawns in Incs fud. 
Luwc wrote:In all honesty. It has been at least 1 year since I have last run incursions but posts like yours apply to a lot of other topics as well...
By griefing you mean they basically deny you the sites ?
Well... you gotta see it from that point. sure maybe they dont gain anything in particular (like isk/ ransoms or w/e)
but some players just play the game to troll others or more known as "harvesting tears" which tbh is totally fine.
It is done by HQ channels, not by griefers and and the reason is not "harvesting tears"(cute) but this one:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=206859&p=35 and |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
469
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:05:00 -
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Dsparil Mal wrote:I'm thoroughly enjoying watching all the butthurt come from ISN. TVP Chat blew up today and I raffed! As long as ISN stays docked up, everyone makes money. Next time maybe they wont be so quick to steal loot.
How much was all the loot they took? I'm pretty sure they got enough that they can comfortably not run incursions for awhile. Whereas the people who lost all their loot are prolly still working on replacing it.
And what if ISN decides they are not going to stay docked up? No one makes money? People will eventually realize they can make more isk from running L4s instead of failed incursions? |
Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky
Natural 20
Shinjiketo
20
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Posted - 2014.09.08 14:04:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Dsparil Mal wrote:I'm thoroughly enjoying watching all the butthurt come from ISN. TVP Chat blew up today and I raffed! As long as ISN stays docked up, everyone makes money. Next time maybe they wont be so quick to steal loot. How much was all the loot they took? I'm pretty sure they got enough that they can comfortably not run incursions for awhile. Whereas the people who lost all their loot are prolly still working on replacing it. And what if ISN decides they are not going to stay docked up? No one makes money? People will eventually realize they can make more isk from running L4s instead of failed incursions?
It was about 6-7billion worth of wrecks of which they are not obligated to return at all ever because that is a mechanic of EVE. Its not stealing because its not yours, what you leave not-nailed-down will surely be taken. Someone who drops a penny isn't entitled to it back and the person who picks it up isn't required to give it back.
TVP has a replacement program, the SRP should have paid for the lost ships the same way any SRP program does, no one is working to replace it when you have people who have an insurance program. What is an insurance program that doesn't work when you need it? A Scam.
But for all intensive purposes if TVP feels it is necessarily to simply end the incursion purely because they don't like somebody which not only "punishes" the Incursion community but themselves as well then its a double edged sword. I doubt ISN will ever fail to come out for HQs like they always have. IIRC the iskboxers certainly aren't happy abut TVP popping every single mom within mere hours of them coming out and I wouldn't be surprised if a crossfire of intercommunity fighting begins over it and I won't be surprised on who makes the first strike and who is the victim. |
Sentenced 1989
Quantum Anomaly Corporation
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Posted - 2014.09.08 14:27:00 -
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Charadrass wrote:Dont fly with ISN will stop the mothership killing.
Or "don't fly with TVP will stop the mothership killing"
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Gridloader
Limitless Capabilities
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Posted - 2014.09.08 15:43:00 -
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of course it should be "dont fly with TVP" becouse only ******** mind could think such "a punishment"... |
Solette Cheli
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:56:00 -
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ISN stole from TVP, TVP got mad, now TVP is rage popping mom sites once ISN forms a HQ fleet.
Didyouknow: 6 HQ sites = 7.5b total? Asssuming they've got all 40 people of course. And that doesn't include the concord lp. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
94
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Posted - 2014.09.11 09:05:00 -
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Solette Cheli wrote:ISN stole from TVP, TVP got mad, now TVP is rage popping mom sites once ISN forms a HQ fleet.
Didyouknow: 6 HQ sites = 7.5b total? Asssuming they've got all 40 people of course. And that doesn't include the concord lp.
ISN kept loot. This isn't theft, as they didn't kill, defraud or otherwise make the effort of getting the modules off the TVP fleet, nor are they involved in the DDoS attacks. A new member of TVP leadership (who hadn't had much of a name in incursions before becoming TVP leadership) asked for it back, and submitted credentials via the in-game chat channel MOTD. Noble Ranger, unless there has been a stealth unban, has been banned from TVP for years. So effectively a nobody, claiming to be a muckeymuck, asks for several billion in modules looted at a fair bit of personal risk (cause I mean, if noble was flashy and on grid, I'd go for the pod. Couple billion for the corpse at auction minimum.) and of course is denied, as the "proof" offered is inaccessible.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
Big rEy
Navy reiNforcements
61
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:50:00 -
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Did you know that:
1. ISN has more new members now?
2. ISN didn't form in the past days because of other resons, not because it dies?
3. ISN never formed everyday in the past?
4. ISN does not hire mercs to start HQ? LOL, really? WTF?
5. ISN will use multiboxers (not isboxers) just to start a fleet? They are replaced fast by players.
6. ISN didn't kill the last night mom? It was a contest, we took the gate at the same time TVP&TDF did. We just won. Without boosters on!
7. ISN is not a giant propaganda machine? Since we have just enough to make a fleet.
8. ISN did not even respond with action after TVP started this?
9. ISN always took ages to form. If it takes 3h to form a HQ now, it does not mean ISN is dead. It's just ISN forming normally. Any delay is caused by players having to move.
10. ISN still makes enough isk when TVP pops a mom.
11. TVP has enough active members to form and run in 10 min?
12. TVP is able to run 2 HQ fleets at the same time in ISN prime time?
13. TVP has the biggest incursion SRP, even if the program started like just before Noble looted the field?
14. TVP has the most incursion FC's?
15. TVP can and do make about the same amount of ISK/h as ISN overall if TCRC wall is up? Sadly it's not constant.
16. TVP allow ISN members to run with them? I run with them as well.
17. TVP members hate ISN because TVP leaders and older members hate ISN for contesting them?
18. TVP waitlist is soo big it sometimes takes more than 2h to get in fleet?
19. TVP is not bad?
20. TVP got better at not spurging comms?
21. ISboxers are training to gank TVP members so they can make ISK again?
22. WTM is more affected by this than ISN is?
23. TVP does not want to change their policy?
24. ISN is a HQ community so they have to run HQ's?
25. This problem will never be over since ISN players are too strong and bound while TVP has way bigger numbers?
26. It's not the first time this happens?
27. ISN raffles the mom loot?
28. Some days ago in a mom contest, ISN got to mom wreck, a TVP member in a rifter looted it, a ISN member blapped the rifter, then TVP got the loot again but returned it to ISN?
29. Incursions never been so fun in the past 11 months since I started to run incursions? The drama in locals is too much to take. Even I am pissed and start spurging sometimes.
30. Not everyone that doesn't disagree with TVP is an ISN alt?
I tried to be neutral as much as I could. Sorry if either partys are upset in some way or do not agree with me.
English it's not my primary language. Deal with it.
1 Uncover Starr 61600
2 Katharine Venus 61600
3 Maria Checkov 61600
4 rak lera 61600
5 Amarak Valerii 61600
6 TJ Arbosa 61600
7 Caska Hawks 61600
8 Scyllass 61600
9 Big rEy 61600
#nerfISN
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
94
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Posted - 2014.09.13 07:15:00 -
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Big rEy wrote:
13. TVP has the biggest incursion SRP, even if the program started like just before Noble looted the field?
#nerfISN
Strongly doubt that TVP's SRP outstrips the DIN-Flotten SRP. At last I bothered asking, it was double digit trillions, which means that in a straight attritional war of stupid stuff costing the SRP money, DIN wins, especially since their core member base is typically almost as space rich as ISN.
Also, can't nerf ISN without nerfing everyone, because smart and ballsy are supposed to be rewarded.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
IIIIIIIIIIBIIIIIIIIII Tokila
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.13 23:18:00 -
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Noble is just a internet spaceship game dweeb.
NOBLE THIS ISN'T REAL BR'A. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
95
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Posted - 2014.09.14 07:16:00 -
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IIIIIIIIIIBIIIIIIIIII Tokila wrote:Noble is just a internet spaceship game dweeb.
NOBLE THIS ISN'T REAL BR'A.
Dude, check out ISN coms someday. Almost everyone on them is laughing at TVP for the butthurt is strong with them.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
Oxide Ammar
161
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Posted - 2014.09.14 07:50:00 -
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James Baboli wrote:IIIIIIIIIIBIIIIIIIIII Tokila wrote:Noble is just a internet spaceship game dweeb.
NOBLE THIS ISN'T REAL BR'A. Dude, check out ISN coms someday. Almost everyone on them is laughing at TVP for the butthurt is strong with them.
You laugh me laugh let's meet after 6 months of moms popping every time ISN undock......and let's see who is still laughing.
Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. |
n2cthe1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.09.14 12:18:00 -
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So, let me get this straight.
TVP say that they will stop ISN from flying HQ sites by popping the Mom as soon as ISN form a HQ fleet.
Okay, on the face of it that seems to be a valid strategy, whether you agree with it or not.
Then TVP blame the incursion closure on ISN because they formed a fleet.
This does not add up. There is no reason for ISN not to form a fleet. Just because TVP says not to is not sufficient reason.
If another inc community told TVP not to form a HQ fleet, TVP would ignore them. Seems to be exactly what ISN is doing, ignoring TVP.
TVP's thinking is flawed, it would seem, and somewhat naive.
Essentially, TVP are saying "ISN made us pop the Mom" by forming a HQ fleet. Pretty poor reasoning from TVP.
TVP need to man-up. They are responsible for Mom-popping, not ISN.
TVP may feel they are justified in Mom-popping but they must accept responsibility for closing the incursion, not try to blame others. |
Sentenced 1989
Quantum Anomaly Corporation
89
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Posted - 2014.09.14 13:25:00 -
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n2cthe1 wrote:
TVP may feel they are justified in Mom-popping but they must accept responsibility for closing the incursion, not try to blame others.
I think in response, we should pop the mom every time TVP forms an HQ fleet as well :D
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Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky
Natural 20
Shinjiketo
20
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Posted - 2014.09.14 15:07:00 -
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Sentenced 1989 wrote:n2cthe1 wrote:
TVP may feel they are justified in Mom-popping but they must accept responsibility for closing the incursion, not try to blame others.
I think in response, we should pop the mom every time TVP forms an HQ fleet as well :D
I'm gonna be honest, I don't mind who I fly with so long as they're reliable and I have a good safety net for my vindi and they aren't garbage, but this whole "wah muh stolen loot, shoot moms because ISN" whining is really immature and I hate having to pick up and move my stuff every few hours just to get to an incursion. I'm not making money I wish it would stop. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
99
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Posted - 2014.09.15 08:52:00 -
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Oxide Ammar wrote:James Baboli wrote:IIIIIIIIIIBIIIIIIIIII Tokila wrote:Noble is just a internet spaceship game dweeb.
NOBLE THIS ISN'T REAL BR'A. Dude, check out ISN coms someday. Almost everyone on them is laughing at TVP for the butthurt is strong with them. You laugh me laugh let's meet after 6 months of moms popping every time ISN undock......and let's see who is still laughing.
I'mma be laughing. I got my pile reasonably well built up. Newbros? They'll be crying. Those with small isk/plex reserves? Crying, or unsubbed.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
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