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Derran Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:22:00 - [1] I want to see them dangit! Gimme info! Too many damn Tier 3 BS posts now. Long live the battlecruisers!
Ather Ialeas Viziam	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:38:00 - [2] Well unless the bc agility issues aren't worked out soon (not the "tm" one, I mean soon as in very near future and not in 2009) I'm not going to fly another bc so I personally don't care about tier 2 bc:s. I have a hard time as is to even justify their existence let alone that there'd be more of them. ________________________________________________ Originally by: Nidhoggur How could I possibly be wrong, using the figures directly from Eve?
Crewman Jenkins	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:58:00 - [3] I second the OP
Zetaa Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Derran I want to see them dangit! Gimme info! Too many damn Tier 3 BS posts now. Long live the battlecruisers! /signed! ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Eximius Josari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Derran I want to see them dangit! Gimme info! Too many damn Tier 3 BS posts now. Long live the battlecruisers! /SIGNT
Thraxor Blacksoul	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:45:00 - [6] I support this thread, lets see some T2 BC's
Taurgil Balanced Unity	Posted - 2006.07.29 10:38:00 - [7] /signed
Takahashi Arran	Posted - 2006.07.29 10:45:00 - [8] yep /signed from a concept art point of view they look better than the T3BS's and it might be a chance to remove some of the issues with the current ones
Ujio Noki Puppets on Steroids Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.07.29 11:26:00 - [9] /signed to hell with tier 3 bs, i want my 8 missile point passive tanking, rof bonus toting caldari tier 2 bc pls.... shame i'll never get that....
HellsRazor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 11:29:00 - [10] signed, GIMMIE tier2 BC NOW!!
Sandzibarr Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 11:40:00 - [11] /signed I want to check out the Minbari Sharlin... erm...i mean the new tier2 gall drone BC.
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:24:00 - [12] yes, give us preliminary stats of the tier2 BC's ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Grimpak yes, give us preliminary stats of the tier2 BC's Load this up ingame (or on the test server for more up-to-dateness): http://hippoking.bumcheekcity.com/tier2bc.htm Whine about them, and you are guaranteed to **** off Tux (yes, I know the URL sounds like ghey pawn, don't remind me)
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:36:00 - [14] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Grimpak yes, give us preliminary stats of the tier2 BC's Load this up ingame (or on the test server for more up-to-dateness): http://hippoking.bumcheekcity.com/tier2bc.htm Whine about them, and you are guaranteed to **** off Tux (yes, I know the URL sounds like ghey pawn, don't remind me) Links doesnt work. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:42:00 - [15] Work for me on TQ. Haven't tried on SiSi though.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:44:00 - [16] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/07/2006 12:44:28 Originally by: HippoKing Work for me on TQ. Haven't tried on SiSi though. Ah, its in-game.... Ive noticed I often read too fast for my own good. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:48:00 - [17] Yeah, it was intended as a page which updated as the stats on the servers did. Also, uses pretty much zero bandwidth for meh Will do one for the t2 BSs in a min actually, never did one for some reaosn.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:50:00 - [18] Originally by: HippoKing Yeah, it was intended as a page which updated as the stats on the servers did. Also, uses pretty much zero bandwidth for meh Will do one for the t2 BSs in a min actually, never did one for some reaosn. Cool stuff, would love that. I took at quick look at the minnie bc on TQ and noticed it has 4 medium slots instead of the 5 on the cyclone. Maybe its a armor tanker... \o/ Anyway, going to mirror Eve so i can get on the test server. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:56:00 - [19] Test server is a whole new client atm: the Dragon one. Look in game dev forum. It's why I'm not on it yet. Haven't bothered to DL it yet. Will probably do it tonight. As for the Tier3 BS one, it is here: http://hippoking.bumcheekcity.com/tier3bs.htm now. Remember, these are the stats as they appear in the database of the patch you open them on. It is clear the tier3BS stats on TQ are totally out of date, and tux informs us the ones published in your thread (from SiSi I believe) are too.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:58:00 - [20] Yep yep. Dragon ftw. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Eximius Josari Shadow Reavers	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:59:00 - [21] There are new stats? Victory is the weakness of the enemy.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Eximius Josari There are new stats? Yep. Not sure if I want to share them though. You guys might freak out. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
inSpirAcy Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:22:00 - [23] I'm quite looking forward to the Gallente BC, as my SP in drones starts stacking up. But I think the cost might end up making it a no-go for PvP since a Dominix will only cost a fraction more and probably do a much better job.
Eximius Josari Shadow Reavers	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:23:00 - [24] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Eximius Josari There are new stats? Yep. Not sure if I want to share them though. You guys might freak out. I only care about the Tornado. What's it got? Victory is the weakness of the enemy.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:37:00 - [25] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/07/2006 13:42:56 Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Eximius Josari There are new stats? Yep. Not sure if I want to share them though. You guys might freak out. I only care about the Tornado. What's it got? Whats the tornado, the tier 2 minnie bc? They dont even have names yet, using HippoKings link on TQ. I cant check on the test server because it doesnt let me log in right now (Your character is loaded at X which is currently loading). Anyway, comparison... Cyclone, Tornado Drone bay: 40,30 Structure: 2188, 2250 Armor: 2500, 3000 Shield: 2813, 2750 Capacitor: 1750, 2250 CPU: 425, 400 Power: 1210, 1400 Lows: 4,6 Meds: 5,4 Highs: 8,8 Launcher: 3,3 Turrets: 5,7 Other stats are the same. But im sure these stats are old and have already changed on the test server. But it gives you a nice picture of what the ship will be. That is, armor-tanked with more turrets. Speed is unchanged compared to cyclone. Edit: Noticed the caldari one has 7 launchers and 6 medium slots...looks to be a nice missile spammer. Gallente one has 100 m3 drone bay compared to the brutix 50. Amarr one has 8 turrets. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Eximius Josari Shadow Reavers	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:51:00 - [26] Wonder what kind of bonus it will get...and if it will have enough cargo for it. Victory is the weakness of the enemy.
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:03:00 - [27] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/07/2006 13:42:56 Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Eximius Josari There are new stats? Yep. Not sure if I want to share them though. You guys might freak out. I only care about the Tornado. What's it got? Whats the tornado, the tier 2 minnie bc? They dont even have names yet, using HippoKings link on TQ. I cant check on the test server because it doesnt let me log in right now (Your character is loaded at X which is currently loading). Anyway, comparison... Cyclone, Tornado Drone bay: 40,30 Structure: 2188, 2250 Armor: 2500, 3000 Shield: 2813, 2750 Capacitor: 1750, 2250 CPU: 425, 400 Power: 1210, 1400 Lows: 4,6 Meds: 5,4 Highs: 8,8 Launcher: 3,3 Turrets: 5,7 Other stats are the same. But im sure these stats are old and have already changed on the test server. But it gives you a nice picture of what the ship will be. That is, armor-tanked with more turrets. Speed is unchanged compared to cyclone. Edit: Noticed the caldari one has 7 launchers and 6 medium slots...looks to be a nice missile spammer. Gallente one has 100 m3 drone bay compared to the brutix 50. Amarr one has 8 turrets. I smell AC boat. ...the damn thing even looks like a fast AC boat lol ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:10:00 - [28] We've been waiting longer for the Teir 3 BS so get in line You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Nira Li We've been waiting longer for the Teir 3 BS so get in line I checked the BS stats and noticed that the minmatar bs have a 8/5/7 layout, which means armor tank. So yeah, stats are changing alot. Dont take anything for granted. I would absolutely love an armor tank on this ship. LOVE. Tuxford, you hear me? LOOOOOVE. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Nira Li We've been waiting longer for the Teir 3 BS so get in line I checked the BS stats and noticed that the minmatar bs have a 8/5/7 layout, which means armor tank. So yeah, stats are changing alot. Dont take anything for granted. I would absolutely love an armor tank on this ship. LOVE. Tuxford, you hear me? LOOOOOVE. The Maelstrom is no longer a shield tank? Not according to the stats on TQ. But hey, things change all the time. Im sure there will be plenty of time to either cry or be happy later. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Ithildin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:03:00 - [31] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Nira Li We've been waiting longer for the Teir 3 BS so get in line I checked the BS stats and noticed that the minmatar bs have a 8/5/7 layout, which means armor tank. So yeah, stats are changing alot. Dont take anything for granted. I would absolutely love an armor tank on this ship. LOVE. Tuxford, you hear me? LOOOOOVE. At the same time, this game needs more shield tankers. Lots of more shield tanked ships. (For reasons of damage type balance) Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death
Nafri Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Nira Li We've been waiting longer for the Teir 3 BS so get in line I checked the BS stats and noticed that the minmatar bs have a 8/5/7 layout, which means armor tank. So yeah, stats are changing alot. Dont take anything for granted. I would absolutely love an armor tank on this ship. LOVE. Tuxford, you hear me? LOOOOOVE. At the same time, this game needs more shield tankers. Lots of more shield tanked ships. (For reasons of damage type balance) shield tanks are only fun if they are passive From Dusk till Dawn Sig removed, e-mail us if you'd like to know why. -ReverendM ([email protected])
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Ithildin At the same time, this game needs more shield tankers. Lots of more shield tanked ships. (For reasons of damage type balance) I think its enough with Caldari being shield tankers. It suits missiles because you dont have to care about getting in range, and you dont need tracking computers etc. I think its horrible on gunships. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Ithildin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Ithildin At the same time, this game needs more shield tankers. Lots of more shield tanked ships. (For reasons of damage type balance) I think its enough with Caldari being shield tankers. It suits missiles because you dont have to care about getting in range, and you dont need tracking computers etc. I think its horrible on gunships. Merely a product of the enhancers (low slot) being completely subpar to the computers (mid slot) in combination with the insane amount of mid slots needed to counter hostile propulsion systems that you stand a chance of getting a fight (scramblers in droves and a web if you can fit it) That shield tanking should be concentrated merely with the Caldari is not very good balance, and to say that Minmatar should be added to the armour tankers along with Amarr and Gallente merely shifts the resistance unbalance so that the value of EM damage is further reduced. Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:15:00 - [35] Originally by: Jim McGregor I think its enough with Caldari being shield tankers. It suits missiles because you dont have to care about getting in range, and you dont need tracking computers etc. I think its horrible on gunships. then lower the default EM-resists on armor across the board and increase it on shields. otherwise lasers are getting worse with an increasing amount of armor tankers around while being best against our supposed allies.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:17:00 - [36] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/07/2006 15:19:17 Originally by: Ithildin Merely a product of the enhancers (low slot) being completely subpar to the computers (mid slot) in combination with the insane amount of mid slots needed to counter hostile propulsion systems that you stand a chance of getting a fight (scramblers in droves and a web if you can fit it) That shield tanking should be concentrated merely with the Caldari is not very good balance, and to say that Minmatar should be added to the armour tankers along with Amarr and Gallente merely shifts the resistance unbalance so that the value of EM damage is further reduced. Its not about being added. Minmatar already have some ships that are armor-tanked, and exacly those ships are the ones being the most popular in solo pvp. Thats because armor tanking is superior in that situation since it allows you to fit tackling gear in the medium slots. If minmatar were only shield tankers, there would in fact be 0% reason to not pick caldari/gallente instead. Minmatar is supposed to be outlaws, capable of hit and run tactics. Thats not even possible if you shield tank the ship, because either you cant hold anyone, or you need to use medium slots for MWD/AB and a webber, making your tank suck. And thats why caldari ships are pretty much not used at all for solo pvp. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Lisento Slaven Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:25:00 - [37] Well we already know what the Amarri tier 2 BC is going to be. Lasers and armor! I'd rather focus on the Tier 3 BS right now =P --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
Ithildin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:37:00 - [38] Originally by: Jim McGregor If minmatar were only shield tankers, there would in fact be 0% reason to not pick caldari/gallente instead. Minmatar is supposed to be outlaws, capable of hit and run tactics. Thats not even possible if you shield tank the ship, because either you cant hold anyone, or you need to use medium slots for MWD/AB and a webber, making your tank suck. And thats why caldari ships are pretty much not used at all for solo pvp. Excellent reasons... for not having a tanked ship at all. That said, shield technology is supposed to be high-tech. Too high tech for Minmatar, surely. Additionally, given the shared lineage of Caldari and Gallente in addition to Gallente being, perhaps, the second strongest technologically advanced civilization (by not too far, though) I've asked myself why Gallente aren't shield tankers. Too late for that, though, since it'd mean a drastic change to some 20+ ships. Regardless, there's a highlight in there, and that is that it's impossible to shield tank and do close range combat at the same time. This is something that CCP needs to adress. At the same time, the Maelstrom seem for all intents and purposes not to be a close combat, hit and run, boat at all. It seems to be a heavy-pounder artillery boat. Now the problems here is that a) active tanks aren't really preferable in fleets where artilleries belong, b) CCP's been neglecting tracking enhancers and sensor enhancers. I feel that a good way of making a shield tanked Maelstrom wanted is to implement what's been suggested many times by community - splitting the boosting effects of sensor and tracking computers into two modules, ideally giving one attribute (such as targeting range and optimal range respectively) to corresponding low slot modules and lock times and tracking to mid slot items. (I.e. let Tracking Enhancers boost optimal range ONLY and let Sensor Boosters boost sensor resolution ONLY - Tracking Links and similar targeted modules'd remain as they are for obvious reasons) Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:41:00 - [39] Yep, you have some good suggestions there, but until ccp decides to change how the game works, armor tanking is superior in solo pvp simply because of module fitting reasons. I want to armor tank my ships, and I dont need yet another reason to have a look at Gallente, trust me. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Shadowsword Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:02:00 - [40] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Well we already know what the Amarri tier 2 BC is going to be. Lasers and armor! I'd rather focus on the Tier 3 BS right now =P A lot more lasers than armor, it seems. If what's being said about it stay true (damage and RoF bonuses), and if it keeps it's 8 guns when it comes out, I foresee a lot of screaming. Think Armageddon with medium guns. ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Shadowsword A lot more lasers than armor, it seems. If what's being said about it stay true (damage and RoF bonuses), and if it keeps it's 8 guns when it comes out, I foresee a lot of screaming. Think Armageddon with medium guns. Well, the caldari version currently have 7 launchers and 6 medium slots. Think Caldari Navy Raven with medium missiles. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:23:00 - [42] The Amarr BC is the sex. My wallpaper right now. If the final product is any good, I am so dropping my prophecy for one of them.
Lisento Slaven Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Dahak2150 The Amarr BC is the sex. My wallpaper right now. If the final product is any good, I am so dropping my prophecy for one of them. Just like everyone will drop their Armageddons for +1 turret, +1 midslot, +better fittings (Abaddon) --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
Derran Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.29 19:48:00 - [44] Mm. Those stats are nice. I like 'em. Although, if they give the Gallente BC 7 HI with 5 launchers, I'd be happier.:)
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 19:52:00 - [45] Originally by: Derran Mm. Those stats are nice. I like 'em. Although, if they give the Gallente BC 7 HI with 5 launchers, I'd be happier.:) I actually didnt read hippokings post too well before. All these stats in this thread are outdated too. And the test server is down until tomorrow's downtime, but I think that one has stats that are recent. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Novarei Ninth Column	Posted - 2006.07.29 19:59:00 - [46] Agree wholeheartedly, i'm so excited about the caldari one, not only because it looks like a solo pwnmobile, but it looks sweet too. --------------------
White Ronin	Posted - 2006.07.29 20:31:00 - [47] At least us Droners get another drone ship that might be worth a damn. Cant wait till they come to Tranq.

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.07.29 22:44:00 - [48] Can't really give you any solid info on the tier 2 battlecruiser yet but I think Hammer boosted the agility recently. _______________

Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.07.29 22:45:00 - [49] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 29/07/2006 22:45:50 Originally by: Tuxford Can't really give you any solid info on the tier 2 battlecruiser yet but I think Hammer boosted the agility recently. Awesome if he did NB.
Callistus Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.07.29 22:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Tuxford Can't really give you any solid info on the tier 2 battlecruiser yet but I think Hammer boosted the agility recently. \o/ On all of them, or just the new tier 2 ones? -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.07.29 22:48:00 - [51] All of them _______________

Gierling Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 22:51:00 - [52] Tux is just scared of getting flamed again. Its alright, we love you even if the new ships suck.
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.07.29 22:58:00 - [53] What is the syntax to make those links? Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Grimpak yes, give us preliminary stats of the tier2 BC's Load this up ingame (or on the test server for more up-to-dateness): http://hippoking.bumcheekcity.com/tier2bc.htm Whine about them, and you are guaranteed to **** off Tux (yes, I know the URL sounds like ghey pawn, don't remind me)
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.29 23:01:00 - [54] Originally by: Gierling Tux is just scared of getting flamed again. qft TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.07.29 23:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Tuxford Can't really give you any solid info on the tier 2 battlecruiser yet but I think Hammer boosted the agility recently. My pants just got very tight for some odd reason.
Ketrin	Posted - 2006.07.29 23:09:00 - [56] Quote: Its alright, we love you even if the new ships suck. qft =/
Hydrian Alante The Loot Company	Posted - 2006.07.29 23:11:00 - [57] Originally by: Tuxford Can't really give you any solid info on the tier 2 battlecruiser yet but I think Hammer boosted the agility recently. Higher agility... does this mean lower mass too or just higher agility? When will this hit TQ? With the Dragon Client?
Shayla Sh'inlux Millennium	Posted - 2006.07.30 00:32:00 - [58] Quote: Its not about being added. Minmatar already have some ships that are armor-tanked, and exacly those ships are the ones being the most popular in solo pvp. Thats because armor tanking is superior in that situation since it allows you to fit tackling gear in the medium slots. Agreed. On paper shieldtanking is superior to armor tanking in all aspects which is why it was so prevalent in the PvP tournament where there was no need for tacking or EW. That's also why you see people shieldtanking just about every NPC ship. If tackling would move to highslots shieldtanking would become more common and close range and shieldtanking would actually work. Move propulsion jamming systems to the highslots and then give interceptors a range or strength bonus to them instead of the silly double damage bonuses. Cap use and/or fitting can be adjusted to make 4xScrambler Crusader not viable or at least very hard.
Tyler Lowe Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.30 03:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Agreed. On paper shieldtanking is superior to armor tanking in all aspects which is why it was so prevalent in the PvP tournament where there was no need for tacking or EW. That's also why you see people shieldtanking just about every NPC ship. In PvP it is obvious that midslots are much more desirable than lowslots so you don't see much shieldtanking around. People fit tackling (and then more tacking to counter today's overuse of stabs) and if they got slots left they use a speedmod or imbalanced ECM. Lowslots otoh are kind redundant after fitting 2-3 damage mods, so everyone puts damage controls and plates and stuff there. If tackling would move to highslots shieldtanking would become more common and close range and shieldtanking would actually work. Move propulsion jamming systems (scramble as well as web) to the highslots and then give interceptors a range or strength bonus to them instead of the silly double damage bonuses. Cap use and/or fitting can be adjusted (if needed) to make 4xScrambler Crusader not viable or at least very hard. I agree with this to an extent, though further reworking of the ships intended as tacklers would be desirable in such a case (ie utility highs added). High slot mounting, while changing ship slot layouts to include such utility highs could go a long way towards fixing some of the inbalance in game currently. I think it may also be time to re-examine the nature of the low slot modules designed to do a job mid slots are currently simply better at. I have not been playing Eve long enough to remember this first hand, but I have read that once upon a time, all ships were armor tanked. Mids would have been at an elevated status as a result, intended almost exclusively for active modules to handle such tasks as tracking, webbing, sensor boosting, etc. As ships are now no longer neccesarily armor tanked, perhaps it is time to look at whether or not pidgeon holing certain ships into set configurations, or punishing some ships with a lack of diversity, simply because they tank in their mids, is still desirable. I'm not fully convinced with the statement that shield tanking is of neccesity superior to armor tanking, and while I may most certainly be wrong in my interpretation of the recent pvp tournament, my view is that the main reason for so many shield tanking setups had as much to do with the desire to use missile systems and these weapons are typically found on ships that make for better shield tanks as it did with any advantage shield tanking may offer over armor tanking. J.A.F.O.
Maya Rkell Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.07.30 03:42:00 - [60] Shrug, strictly leaving interceptors alone in that might FINALLY get through to certain people that they're not supposed to be dedicated tacklers. (I'd be in favour of a NEW T2 frigate ship class for that...no more than 2 weapons in the highs and NO weapon bonuses...) Not that I think it's a good idea overall - I think a reasonable bonus on stabs will bring their usage in combat down to a more sensible margin, and CCP have made it clear that the full-WCS-lowslot travel mount is going to remain viable (Which is fair enough).
Azural Kane	Posted - 2006.07.30 03:51:00 - [61] What's everyone got against Battlecruisers? I love my Ferox, and it seems a big step up from any Tier 1 cruiser I can use.
Zetaa Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.30 04:06:00 - [62] Originally by: Tuxford Can't really give you any solid info on the tier 2 battlecruiser yet but I think Hammer boosted the agility recently. Is there any information about them anywhere? All I know is... Kali will have tier 2 battlecruisers. :P I don't mean stats, but general stuff like their purpose? Maybe how they might compare against each other, or against their tier 1 counterparts, etc etc... ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Eximius Josari Shadow Reavers	Posted - 2006.07.30 10:16:00 - [63] Originally by: Maya Rkell Shrug, strictly leaving interceptors alone in that might FINALLY get through to certain people that they're not supposed to be dedicated tacklers. (I'd be in favour of a NEW T2 frigate ship class for that...no more than 2 weapons in the highs and NO weapon bonuses...) Not that I think it's a good idea overall - I think a reasonable bonus on stabs will bring their usage in combat down to a more sensible margin, and CCP have made it clear that the full-WCS-lowslot travel mount is going to remain viable (Which is fair enough). Interceptors aren't supposed to be dedicated tacklers? I agree...partly. My idea for them was to give the two ceptors different roles, one was to intercept (ie more shooty shooty than tackling) the other was to tackle. As in Crusader would be the combat ceptor, while Malediction would be tackler ceptor. Besides, only other ship more obviously designed for tackling role is interdictors...and they do it differently. Victory is the weakness of the enemy.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.30 10:18:00 - [64] Originally by: Tuxford All of them Like... Command Ships too? /me does happy dance --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Tao Han Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 11:02:00 - [65] They better not release the BC info yet. Look at the whinage going on at the BS's if you add the BC whinage I'm sure the forums would explode
Nafri Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 11:04:00 - [66] Originally by: Tao Han They better not release the BC info yet. Look at the whinage going on at the BS's if you add the BC whinage I'm sure the forums would explode imagine what would happen if they come out like this From Dusk till Dawn Sig removed, e-mail us if you'd like to know why. -ReverendM ([email protected])
inSpirAcy Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 11:10:00 - [67] Originally by: Azural Kane What's everyone got against Battlecruisers? I love my Ferox, and it seems a big step up from any Tier 1 cruiser I can use. It's not so much the step up from cruisers but the step down from BS which concerns people. In their present state they just don't offer enough advantages over a BS to justify their use. The agility changes sound promising but it will largely depend on its magnitude; BCs need more than a little tweak.
DeadRow Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.07.30 12:51:00 - [68] Originally by: Tuxford Can't really give you any solid info on the tier 2 battlecruiser yet but I think Hammer boosted the agility recently. Originally by: Tuxford All of them I love you CCP nerfed my sig: Maxell Snow > holy crap i just realized the only t2 component i have used is a t2 mining laser here
Leshrac Shepherd Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.30 13:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Maya Rkell Shrug, strictly leaving interceptors alone in that might FINALLY get through to certain people that they're not supposed to be dedicated tacklers. Yes, they are designed to be solopwnmobiles, that's the main problem with them, and the reason they should be changed to dedicated tacklers.
MattyAlin	Posted - 2006.07.30 23:26:00 - [70] see this link. new ships and tier 2 bc lol. hope this helps http://www.asgeirjon.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=5

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