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Bu Jinkan Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:34:00 - [31] Trepkos, Your hatred for Ismern is duly noted. Please stop smack talk in my thread. If you have any positive input on how to decrease hostilities between Bob, GS, and D@ please stay, if not please leave this thread alone. Insulting people does not put you in a good light.
Anti Derivative Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:34:00 - [32] holy nerd-rage!
Toffles GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Sergeant Spot anger Give it a rest already. We've gone through 5 lengthy threads repeating the same arguments. Both sides need to shut up and play the stupid game already. Everyone has made up their minds, posting in these threads is just a waste of time.
Trepkos Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Bu Jinkan Trepkos, Your hatred for Ismern is duly noted. Please stop smack talk in my thread. End yourself. -------- ANGEL DEEP CORPORATION
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:38:00 - [35] SA is based on the sole premise that nothing should be taken seriously, ever. So while I'm sure in your community the words "its just a game man" are the derogatory equivalent of calling their spouse a prostitute, to me they aren't. I don't need reminder of that fact, nor do I wanna argue it and end up having 500 Goons all agreeing with each other how I take it more seriously than them. Guess you'll have to take my word for it? I've got enough Internet fame to do that. But for all your reminders, I still don't know which part of "EVE: The Game" encourages the level of bleating and whining only seen eminating from the bowels of GoonSwarm. Who knows, maybe one day they'll make the Abrasive Nublar mini-profession a reality. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Andre Carnegi GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:38:00 - [36] Originally by: Trepkos Originally by: Bu Jinkan Trepkos, Your hatred for Ismern is duly noted. Please stop smack talk in my thread. End yourself. Come on, I know you are capable of finding better things to do than suggesting people kill themselves over the internet.
Anti Derivative Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:38:00 - [37] Originally by: Trepkos Yes, it is a game. But it is also a MMORPG, and just try and guess what the RPG stands for? I only role play a meek camel herder/strip club owner so i don't pretend to pretend to be explosively angry all the time.
Bu Jinkan Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Trepkos Originally by: Bu Jinkan Trepkos, Your hatred for Ismern is duly noted. Please stop smack talk in my thread. End yourself. Thanks for the suggestion. From here on out any and all of your input in this thread will be ignored. Hopefully a mod will clean up this thread by removing your involvement. Thank you for your time.
Franky B Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:40:00 - [39] I think the past few days have made it abundantly clear that this isnt BOB VS GS or D2 VS GS. This is the eve community feeling that GS as a whole, represents a style of gameplay or a mindset that they explicity want to avoid and are gladdened that their most "outspoken" representatives (in the form of the major alliances) have taken a stance against this. alot of people play this game on a level just a bit beyond "for fun". they've played it long enough and with the same group of friends that its a tad bit more serious. so when a relativley young yet massive group of players enters the arena with a "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAW" attitude, alot of people are taken aback.
Andre Carnegi GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:40:00 - [40] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Guess you'll have to take my word for it? I've got enough Internet fame to do that. Dude, congratulations on your internet fame. Also, give my regards to the internet.
Anti Derivative Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:40:00 - [41] Anyone need Camels?
Bu Jinkan Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:43:00 - [42] Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 29/07/2006 06:44:54 Originally by: DigitalCommunist SA is based on the sole premise that nothing should be taken seriously, ever. So while I'm sure in your community the words "its just a game man" are the derogatory equivalent of calling their spouse a prostitute, to me they aren't. I don't need reminder of that fact, nor do I wanna argue it and end up having 500 Goons all agreeing with each other how I take it more seriously than them. Guess you'll have to take my word for it? I've got enough Internet fame to do that. But for all your reminders, I still don't know which part of "EVE: The Game" encourages the level of bleating and whining only seen eminating from the bowels of GoonSwarm. Who knows, maybe one day they'll make the Abrasive Nublar mini-profession a reality. Well I appreciate the fact that you seemed to at least tried to lower the vitrol in your discourse, but you dropped the ball at the end with your Abrasive Nublar quote. Needless to say, you really don't seem to understand SA at all, at least based off the statement you just made. If you assumptions are what make you hate my corp there is little I can do to change your mind, you seem set in your ways. A word of advice howerver, I wouldn't dare to think that those that post in this specific subforum really represent the majority of BoB. I am suprised to find that you judge the majority of GoonSwarm on the actions of our own forum whorriors.
Anti Derivative Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:43:00 - [43] Internet. Superstar.
Toffles GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:46:00 - [44] Edited by: Toffles on 29/07/2006 06:48:42 Originally by: Sergeant Spot If the trash you willingly tolerate among your members were face to face when they did their trash talk, they'd be physically beaten. Nothing "game" about it. Ok, I'm going to tell you something that apparently your parents never taught you. IT IS NEVER OKAY TO THREATEN VIOLENCE. Bob has repeatedly threatened physical violence against tetsujin, and against our entire alliance membership. You guys talk about driving over to our houses and physically assaulting us, or "leveling" us when you see us in real life. The fact that you and other bob members continue threatening us with REAL physical violence over insults is disgusting. Grow up.
Andre Carnegi GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Toffles Originally by: Sergeant Spot If the trash you willingly tolerate among your members were face to face when they did their trash talk, they'd be physically beaten. Nothing "game" about it. Ok, I'll going to tell you something that apparently your parents never taught you. IT IS NEVER OKAY TO THREATEN VIOLENCE. Bob has repeatedly threatened physical violence against tetsujin, and against our entire alliance membership. You guys talk about driving over to our houses and physically assaulting us, or "leveling" us when you see us in real life. The fact that you and other bob members continue threatening us with REAL physical violence over insults is disgusting. Grow up. Excuse me, if you kickboxed and socialized as much as they do, you'd need a hearty dose of blood to get though the day.
Swedish Bob	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:47:00 - [46] Originally by: Trepkos Yes, it is a game. But it is also a MMORPG, and just try and guess what the RPG stands for? Really Primadona Gamers? But I don't see why some BoB have such a sense of self righteousness about this. Every alliance has a few *****s. I don't see the other alliances tossing someone every time someone takes offence to something. And if they did I would really have to question if it was a worth while alliance if something so shallow would cause members to turn on one another. As far as GS being trash goes though, it really doesn't matter. Nobody in GS cares whether BoB thinks we are trash or not. I'm fine with my behavior and while I'm sure some goons are jerks in general I think they behave no worse than many of the other alliances. They are just more up front about it.
Anti Derivative Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:49:00 - [47] Edited by: Anti Derivative on 29/07/2006 06:50:18 if i was to open the newpaper one day and read about a huge real life gang fight happening at some video game convention over in game issues i would probably need a sedative to curb my uncontrollable laughter.
Bu Jinkan Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:51:00 - [48] As much as I enjoy the little quips(and they are funny) they are really counter productive to what this thread is for. Please try to keep it to civil discourse. Our sense of humour has already seemed to ruffle some people feathers.
Rebellion Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:54:00 - [49] This is a game. I really wanted to like the goons. In fact, if you search my recent post history, I was supporting them quite vocally. The goons are not the only "SA goons" playing EVE. SA has had a long prescence in the internet, I've probably been a real goon longer than many of your younger members have. When the initial affront was made months ago it was ugly. However, apologies were made. We pretty much accepted it and just wrote down somehwere that Remedial is a juvenile attention *****. Recent events, however, have made us find out that even up to this dat, inside GoonSwarm, the original bad joke lives, and there is no actual remorse inside of the group. This made a lot of people very angry. We had been played for fools. There we were supporting you in your first major battle with large alliances, thinking that you were approaching EVE in the same way we started years ago. Finding out that your depravity in humor honors no decency turned us around completely. Any apology that gets repeated or made right now will fall on ears that no longer believe whatever GoonSwarm says. Furthermore, some of your more prominent "leaders" had even suggested the ridiculous idea that we were the ones at fault for enraging some of your members enough to act that way. Seriously, if you believe that, there's something wrong with you in the head. I'm not surprised why they say that they don't really get what the fuss is about because they don't seem to be in the right frame of mind in the first place to have made such ludicrous conclusions. The goons so far have not acted as real goons. The goons I know and had been a part of for several years now understand genuine humor. They also know when things aren't so funny and when reality sets in they do their share, such as buy equipment for soldiers that get sent to the front in reality. I thought that since you were calling yourselves GoonSwarm, you were like those. But now I see rehashed humor that is no longer funny (chewbacca defenses are really too old to be amusing anymore, and we aren't laughing because we don't get it, it's because they are really not funny anymore), and I really don't know what it is I am looking at. Lately we have seen forum trolling from the goons in a massive degree. I frankly won't be surprised if the moderators start banning a lot of your membership because they don't seem to want to be controlled by things such as decency and proper conduct. I still believe that there are a lot of goons that are genuine people, not hiding behind any facade of pretense. Real goons that aren't ashamed to be real people. However, GoonSwarm as it is right now is not a representative of that. The leadership alone has only treated EVE with contempt, using logic to derail discussions and troll around. This is a game. Why don't you start trying to play it in order to enjoy it, rather than pwn it by thrashing about out of control. I have seen goons ruin other games before EVE, this seems to be the intent right now. Some of you want to just pwn eve for the rights to say that you did, and then probably leave it for WoW after it stops becoming interesting. This is a game, but we all deal with real people. It seems that goons saying "this is a game" only really means that they can stop acting like real people when they play it. It is sad really, I wanted to see what Goonswarm would turn into. I never wanted to see that it was rotten at its core. Now that knowledge occludes all other things. I think it's unfair mostly to the goons that genuinely want to enjoy this game.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:55:00 - [50] Originally by: Ismern Originally by: DigitalCommunist Just for you Ismern, I will explain it once again. Your personal stance and personal apologies are meaningless, when you still remain in the corporation that condones, supports and encourages such behaviour. Not only do you remain in it, but you fight for it and back the people who started it. I don't know which alternate universe would have me believe someone so hypocritical has the right to talk about reason, but its not EVE. And just for you DigitalCommunist, I will explain it once again. THIS IS A GAME Here endeth my arguing with the close-minded. And if your mother died from a painful slow type of cancer, and I KNOWINGLY made jokes about it, and my corp CONTINUED to make jokes about it even when we were called on it, it would still be just "a game". All perfectly ok. Correct??? Am I understanding you correctly??? I really want an answer. Play nice while you Butcher each other
Demon Knight GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.29 06:56:00 - [51] Originally by: DigitalCommunist I've got enough Internet fame to do that. how do i become internet superstar. p.s where did the last 3 years of your life go? oh wai internet superstardom sad fact is eve is insignificant and so is your accomplishments so far. in the words of stavr0s "End Yourself"
Cattraknoff Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:00:00 - [52] Edited by: Cattraknoff on 29/07/2006 07:00:29 I think a new record is going to be set for people banned in a week. (from the forum)
Bu Jinkan Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Originally by: Ismern Originally by: DigitalCommunist Just for you Ismern, I will explain it once again. Your personal stance and personal apologies are meaningless, when you still remain in the corporation that condones, supports and encourages such behaviour. Not only do you remain in it, but you fight for it and back the people who started it. I don't know which alternate universe would have me believe someone so hypocritical has the right to talk about reason, but its not EVE. And just for you DigitalCommunist, I will explain it once again. THIS IS A GAME Here endeth my arguing with the close-minded. And if your mother died from a painful slow type of cancer, and I KNOWINGLY made jokes about it, and my corp CONTINUED to make jokes about it even when we were called on it, it would still be just "a game". All perfectly ok. Correct??? Am I understanding you correctly??? I really want an answer. No it is not ok. Yes those that are in Goonswarm that do it are jackasses. Understand, this is not some plea for peace to get you to stop attacking Syndicate, most of us are looking forward to the fights. This thread is an attempt to get people to move past what was a tatseless joke about a subject that 99% of goonfleet know very little about. Tone down the angry and talk to the resonable ones in our group. The *******s in Goonswarm are just punching your buttons for a laugh, don't them.
Shiraz Merlot Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:03:00 - [54] As with any corporation, you are jointly and severally liable. A legal phrase meaning "tarred with the same brush". You can't opt-out of the treatment your colleagues bring upon you - you have to leave the company. /sm
Irizumi	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Shiraz Merlot As with any corporation, you are jointly and severally liable. A legal phrase meaning "tarred with the same brush". You can't opt-out of the treatment your colleagues bring upon you - you have to leave the company. /sm Actually no, I don't go to jail if Ken Lay cooks the books. Use some common sense. Stop posturing and move past this.
Andre Carnegi GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:07:00 - [56] Originally by: Shiraz Merlot As with any corporation, you are jointly and severally liable. A legal phrase meaning "tarred with the same brush". You can't opt-out of the treatment your colleagues bring upon you - you have to leave the company. /sm We don't tar and feather anymore. Collective punishment is illogical, unfair, and ineffective. Regardless, I don't think the EVE Constitution states anywhere that we are "severally liable," and I'll fight you to the EVE Supreme Court (Not to be confused with David Robinson's Supreme Court) on this one.
Bu Jinkan Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:09:00 - [57] I am going to bed, doubtlessly this thread will have been put to bed by the mods. Well, at least consider this for posterity. It was Goon that tried to do the right thing. good night.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:09:00 - [58] For those of you who keep saying "it's just a game" as an excuse to act in the anti-social manner you've adopted, consider that this is 3 year old community, not just a game. You can tease and ridicule as much as you want, saying that we take this too seriously. But you aren't offending some blip on a screen, you're offending real life friends, and well known members of a global community. People have said earlier that these alliances are threatened by Goonfleet, and that is why we are fighting. Tbh, I am threatened by them, but not because they are a threat to my avatar in game, I consider them a threat to the community that I'm a part of.
Rebellion Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:15:00 - [59] Edited by: Rebellion on 29/07/2006 07:17:22 Originally by: Bu Jinkan No it is not ok. Yes those that are in Goonswarm that do it are jackasses. Understand, this is not some plea for peace to get you to stop attacking Syndicate, most of us are looking forward to the fights. This thread is an attempt to get people to move past what was a tatseless joke about a subject that 99% of goonfleet know very little about. Tone down the angry and talk to the resonable ones in our group. The *******s in Goonswarm are just punching your buttons for a laugh, don't them. The reasonable ones in your group seem to be very reasonable actually. However, you are also very irresponsible. You are basically telling us that yes, there are jerks in your ranks, we should just ignore them. And then what? Have them continoue on acting as jerks? We will go after them, and we will go after you because you are supporting them. Does being a goon mean that you are irresponsible? If you do not want to take responsibility for the actions of the people in your corporation and alliance, we will make you take responsibility. They obviously do not care because this is "just a game". I can say this right back at you: if you think that what your people are saying is wrong, then get them to stop. If you are not willing to take responsibility for it, then don't complain when you have to face the consequences. We are people with real lives and real jobs. We play EVE because we enjoy playing with friends. We know this is a game. A lot of your membership seems to be so obsessed in proving that they are above the game by acting poorly in it. "Hey look, this really isn't important because I'm spitting at it". Who are you proving this to? This thread isn't about a goon trying to do the right thing. It's about a goon trying to escape responsibility.
Pwadoc	Posted - 2006.07.29 07:21:00 - [60] Originally by: Rebellion This is a game. Your CEO took what was a personal issue with a few people and brought it to a public forum in a loud, accusatory manner. He didn't seek any private redress with the people involved as far as I know, instead he chose to try to solve his problem with childish, immature behavior. His ill-considered response provoked a great deal of anger amongst our community, and as could be expected, some of them reacted in equally childish ways. There is a lot of genuine anger now, on both sides. Most of the goons I speak to are absolutely furious. You can keep speaking to morality and basic taste, but consider for a moment that the perspective you are attempting to communicate is inherently subjective. The point where the line is crossed, for me, is when someone takes action to impose their morality on others. BoB has crossed that line, not Goonfleet.

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