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Jargoon
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:13:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Jargoon on 29/07/2006 08:13:40
 Originally by: CalBar
Personally, I think you're attacking Goonswarm because you are bored, no one will attack you, and you need something to do in the game. That you claim to do it in the name of someone that I imagine very few of you knew properly, let alone in real life, is just as insulting to his memory as any of the poor taste a few goons have shown, let alone disrespectful to the family and friends who were truly affected by his loss, who mourned for real, and actually cared for him on an emotional level. To be honest, it's sickening.
To be honest, if I died and was looking down from heaven I would think it was pretty cool/funny that people would flip out and start a huge war in an MMORPG and MMORPG forums over me hehe
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Jargoon
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:15:00 -
[92]
Originally by: ProphetGuru
Originally by: Jargoon
Well all I can say is I hope you guys don't freak out too much when we don't just cave in and give up because you're BoB ok 
lol. you think we want you to give up???!?!
you could make a post surrendering today. we're still coming.
Should be fun
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Toffles
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:20:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Pwadoc
Originally by: Rebellion
Well, al I can say is that you have better be willing to put everything you can on the line to fight for what you think is right.
BoB always fights all out. Since we have announced via several members that it is our intention to take this to a definite and final end, I hope you realize what that means. I hope you can last 2 weeks under the assault. I hope you can last a month. And I realy hope you can last a year. Because we can, and we will.
It's not about scoring an internet victoy or being an internet hero. It's about us doing what we believe is the right thing to do. We don't want nor expect recognition for whatever we achieve. This is a game after all, and we know that even if we completely crush GoonSwarm to the ground, and crush the individual corps that fragment from it after they separate, and go after each individual pilot that had been a member of it at the time we decided to do so, that you would all still be perfectly safe and sound in the real world. This is a game, so we do not regret the slightest for telling you now that we will destroy you completely and utterly, because it is game destruction after all.
I frankly don't see how you will enjoy this, but I know we will.
I won't enjoy it. I'll probably quit the game if you do that. Does that make you happy? That you bullied someone who did nothing to you into quitting Eve?
No they will be happy when they drive down your house and attack you, or find you at the next eve con and punch you in the face. They are bullies through and through, in game, out of game.
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Herberge
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:21:00 -
[94]
Seargent Spot, you claim to hold yourself to a higher standard, and yet here you are suggesting that all the Australian muslims trapped in Lebanon deserve to die. As an Australian citizen I find that personally extremely offensive.
Of course I would put up with it normally, but from someone who is trying so very hard to claim the moral high ground you just screwed up big time.
That is the only response that is acceptable from you, to say "I screwed up big time" and accept your thrashing. I respectfully request that BoB permanently eject you and refuse to associate with you.
If not then it will become clear that BoB is composed of disgusting bigots like yourself.
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Trepkos
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:23:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Jargoon
...and get back to playing space game 12 hours a day like regular well-adjusted nerds ok
Somehow the nerd insults don't hold very well coming from members of Something Awful.
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Z Shakespeare
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:23:00 -
[96]
I find it quite hilarious how worked up everyone is getting over something someone said on the internet. Good show, I look forward to watching everyone making idiots of themselves.
Fake edit: Pre-emptive "I'm the idiot" post.
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Andre Carnegi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:25:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Trepkos
Originally by: Jargoon
...and get back to playing space game 12 hours a day like regular well-adjusted nerds ok
Somehow the nerd insults don't hold very well coming from members of Something Awful.
OH GOD WE'RE NEEEEEERRRRDDDDSSSSS
HEEEEEELLLLLLLP
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Pwadoc
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:25:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Trepkos
Originally by: Jargoon
...and get back to playing space game 12 hours a day like regular well-adjusted nerds ok
Somehow the nerd insults don't hold very well coming from members of Something Awful.
He was being facetious and self-deprecating. This issue does need any more unecessary hostility.
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Tiberius Caesar
Sothebys
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:26:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: Pwadoc
Originally by: Rebellion
Well, al I can say is that you have better be willing to put everything you can on the line to fight for what you think is right.
BoB always fights all out. Since we have announced via several members that it is our intention to take this to a definite and final end, I hope you realize what that means. I hope you can last 2 weeks under the assault. I hope you can last a month. And I realy hope you can last a year. Because we can, and we will.
It's not about scoring an internet victoy or being an internet hero. It's about us doing what we believe is the right thing to do. We don't want nor expect recognition for whatever we achieve. This is a game after all, and we know that even if we completely crush GoonSwarm to the ground, and crush the individual corps that fragment from it after they separate, and go after each individual pilot that had been a member of it at the time we decided to do so, that you would all still be perfectly safe and sound in the real world. This is a game, so we do not regret the slightest for telling you now that we will destroy you completely and utterly, because it is game destruction after all.
I frankly don't see how you will enjoy this, but I know we will.
I won't enjoy it. I'll probably quit the game if you do that. Does that make you happy? That you bullied someone who did nothing to you into quitting Eve?
No they will be happy when they drive down your house and attack you, or find you at the next eve con and punch you in the face. They are bullies through and through, in game, out of game.
You might as well save that line for your internal forums. Nobody here is buying what you're selling.
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Z Shakespeare
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:26:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Z Shakespeare on 29/07/2006 08:26:34
Originally by: Trepkos
Originally by: Jargoon
...and get back to playing space game 12 hours a day like regular well-adjusted nerds ok
Somehow the nerd insults don't hold very well coming from members of Something Awful.
Or from anyone who plays a space game on the internet, and argues about it on forums, really.
Sorry, but I really had to point that out.
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Z Shakespeare
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:28:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
You might as well save that line for your internal forums. Nobody here is buying what you're selling.
I demand proof of this claim in the most scientific method available to us: a POLL!
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Bushey
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:28:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Bushey on 29/07/2006 08:28:44
I honestly think this is a whole bunch of dumb. I do not know of the insults that were made as I'm sure a lot of the members are in the same boat. But all of the flame from both sides are really meaningless. Lets just get on with our lives and may the battles between us be glorious. Best of luck to all and I hope to see my local filled with BoB .
GL HF
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Trepkos
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:30:00 -
[103]
Linkage
Im going to be looking forward to seeing more of the above picture once the fighting begins.
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Andre Carnegi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:31:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Trepkos
Linkage
Im going to be looking forward to seeing more of the above picture once the fighting begins.
Why not a functional killboard?
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Pwadoc
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:31:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
You might as well save that line for your internal forums. Nobody here is buying what you're selling.
Originally by: Blacklight
We'll reign in the forum behaviour once tempers have calmed be sure of it but right now 90% of BoB would have a very hard job not leveling those idiots in real life if we met them, we are fuming and it isn't just us. It's very convenient to make this a BoB issue, when in actual fact it is a massive issue for whoever was friends with Smoske, we're just vocal and will go immediately for the jugular when someone ****es us off in Eve.
So basically, if I ran into a BoB member in the street, they "would have a very hard job not leveling" me, even though I neither said nor did anything to them.
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Trepkos
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:32:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Andre Carnegi
Originally by: Trepkos
Linkage
Im going to be looking forward to seeing more of the above picture once the fighting begins.
Why not a functional killboard?
I would spell it out, but its obvious that you wouldn't be able to understand that either.
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Andre Carnegi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:32:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Pwadoc
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
You might as well save that line for your internal forums. Nobody here is buying what you're selling.
Originally by: Blacklight
We'll reign in the forum behaviour once tempers have calmed be sure of it but right now 90% of BoB would have a very hard job not leveling those idiots in real life if we met them, we are fuming and it isn't just us. It's very convenient to make this a BoB issue, when in actual fact it is a massive issue for whoever was friends with Smoske, we're just vocal and will go immediately for the jugular when someone ****es us off in Eve.
So basically, if I ran into a BoB member in the street, they "would have a very hard job not leveling" me, even though I neither said nor did anything to them.
They'd have a hard time leveling you because you ARE AN INTERNET FAT PERSON GET IT.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:35:00 -
[108]
All of this comes down to a question of morality.
Was what Tetsujin had in his signature worthy of a crusade to exterminate an entire alliance?
BoB obviously says yes, GoonSwarm obviously says no.
But, that begs the question, who is right? In a question of morality, neither side ever is.
The Crusades were started because one side thought the other was morally wrong (and religiously as well). The Holocaust happened because ****** believed the Jews were morally wrong in everything they did based on his own experiences with them. The conflict in the Middle East that has been going on for centuries is largely a morality issue based out of religion and cultural conflicts.(I AM NOT COMPARING EITHER SIDE IN THIS EVE CONFLICT TO ANY OF THE SIDES I JUST MENTIONED AND I AM JUST USING THEM AS AN EXAMPLE OF A MORALITY CONFLICT. DON'T EVEN DARE MISREAD WHAT I'M SAYING AS ME CALLING EITHER SIDE ******, ****S, TERRORISTS, OR ANY OTHER SUCH THING, BECAUSE I AM NOT)
The point I'm trying to make is that some of the bloodiest conflicts in the history of the world have happened due to questions of morality. They are far different from normal wars in that they give a side much more of a reason than just land or wealth to fight- they give that side the reason of believing to their very core that they are right in what they are defending. And Eve, as one of the most true-to-life games I've ever seen, has these same conflicts.
This entire issue has brought up some interesting moral conflicts.
Should we honor the right to free speech no matter what the cost, or censor anything in our alliance that we consider to be wrong to prevent conflict?
Should we defend those that have angered the community even if we disagree with what they said even if it means bad political relations, or should we leave them out to dry, tossing them aside in the interests of furthering our political agenda?
Those are the questions that BoB has basically presented us with, and it is no secret of what our answer to each question was.
And because of our answers, BoB has deemed us morally wrong while we believe we are morally right. And thus they have started their campaign against what they deem as unjust and wrong, while we are left to defend ourselves against their onslaught.
The problem with questions of morality, however, is that each side is never completely right or completely wrong due to the cultural values that each side holds dear. And because of this fact, ultimately, neither side in this entire issue is truly right or wrong.
I guess this doesn't really add anything to the argument, but I had to say it.
Like all morality conflicts of the past, this question of right and wrong will be fought on the battlefield. And, like all of the morality conflicts of the past, this will not simply end like normal wars. Both sides should be looking forward to a long and bloody conflict ahead.
I will see BoB on the battlefield.
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Spazzle
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:40:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Spazzle on 29/07/2006 08:42:01
Guys, who cares what BOB thinks. They are one of the most powerful alliances in the game, but here they are picking a fight with us when we're down and going after cheap ganks in syndicate.
Is BOB afraid of us? Of course not. They would probably take us at our best, and right now they are just kicking us when we're down. BOB needs continuous war to keep itself interested. They need the same drama and excitement we do. So ignore their self righteous posts, their posturing, their insults, their forum trolls, and their accusations of immaturity. They need to do whatever they can to justify their campaign against us right now, before their members call for some real action. The kind of action they might see if they came for us in 4 months, or the action they would get if they went for a major alliance.
Just as most of our enemies in XZH showed themselves to be the kind of guys you could joke about lag with in local when things went wrong, I'm sure most of the BOB members are cools guys we'd love to play the pod game with. But just as D2 had its perpetually irrational members like Lorth, BOB has its talking points forum warriors. Ignore what they say, because they have no desire in dialogue, just to hear themselves rant.
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Andre Carnegi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:41:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Trepkos
Originally by: Andre Carnegi
Originally by: Trepkos
Linkage
Im going to be looking forward to seeing more of the above picture once the fighting begins.
Why not a functional killboard?
I would spell it out, but its obvious that you wouldn't be able to understand that either.
OH GOD HORRIBLE BURN I CAN NEVER SHOW MY INTERNET FACE ON EVE-O AGAIN.
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Tiberius Caesar
Sothebys
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:44:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Pwadoc
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
You might as well save that line for your internal forums. Nobody here is buying what you're selling.
Originally by: Blacklight
We'll reign in the forum behaviour once tempers have calmed be sure of it but right now 90% of BoB would have a very hard job not leveling those idiots in real life if we met them, we are fuming and it isn't just us. It's very convenient to make this a BoB issue, when in actual fact it is a massive issue for whoever was friends with Smoske, we're just vocal and will go immediately for the jugular when someone ****es us off in Eve.
So basically, if I ran into a BoB member in the street, they "would have a very hard job not leveling" me, even though I neither said nor did anything to them.
Ummm, yeah...
My point was that you might as well save the 'bob r teh bullies' line for your internals. I've yet to see a non-goon member agree that bob are bullying you. You've seemingly deeply offended not only BOB but a lot of the Eve community with your antics on these forums this last week. How you carry yourselves here (forums) can have a profound impact on what happens ingame. I know this has probably been said many times this week, but I it seems to not be sinking in.
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Crypt
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:46:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Crypt on 29/07/2006 08:49:35
I say this as an outsider looking in (not having anything at all to do with either party of this conflict in the least), myself as I'm sure alot of others in the eve community are losing respect for both sides. And it kind of saddens me to see this **** here, you guys are better than this, seriously.
There are alot of good people on both sides of the fence as you've all shown in the past but some of the things being said here and in the other threads, as well as a lot of the posturing on both sides is clouding that in a very bad way. I feel bad for both sides in this mainly for just how much damage its doing internally as well as externally to all concerned.
I wish both sides the best and hopefully soon you can all return to laughing and having fun with what is and always will be a game.
Good luck guys.
Quote:
It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief
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Jargoon
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:50:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Jargoon on 29/07/2006 08:49:56
Originally by: Crypt
I say this as an outsider looking in (not having anything at all to do with either party of this conflict in the least) myself as I'm sure alot of others in the eve community are losing respect for both sides.
There are alot of good people on both sides of the fence as you've all shown in the past but some of the things being said here and in the other threads as well as a lot of the posturing on both sides is clouding that in a very bad way. I feel bad for both sides in this mainly for just how much damage its doing internally as well as externally to all concerned.
I wish both sides the best and hopefully soon you can all return to laughing and having fun with what is and always will be a game.
Good luck guys.
No kidding dude, most of these threads boil down to: "You guys suck!" "No YOU guys suck!"
It's a good thing skills train offline in this game, otherwise the forum warriors would still be using Civilian Mining Lasers 
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:56:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Perideous
By tolerating terrorist in their presense many muslims DO warrent having bombs dropped near them, even fatally close, due to WILLINGLY being near known terrorist.
- by sergant spot
I suggest you rethink this statement, and retract it.
USAF
Air Power!
3E971
Been there, proud to have been part of it.
LOAC (Law of Armed Conflict):
If you have a bunch of willing human shields deliberately shielding a target, the target is still a legit target.
The laws of armed conflict are meant to let non-combatants get AWAY from the shooting. If they deliberately head TOWARDS the shooting and try and abuse LOAC to get folks in trouble, they in many cases (not all cases) are no longer protected.
If you stand on top of a Tank, and say "I'm not a combatant, therefore you cannot drop a Bomb anywhere near me" you are mistaken. We can still bomb the tank, even with you standing on top it.
About the only exception is "proportionality". A hostile milita infantry squad that takes position in a large childrens day care center with many children in it, and not in a vital location would not be attacked, even though the infantry troops themselves are STILL fair targets. On the otherhand, a Tank parked in a residentual neighborhood probably WOULD be attacked, but with a single precision bomb (which is still horridly dangerous for anyone near by, but not certain death)
You can split hairs forever with LOAC, but at the end, the terrorist get shot.
Play nice while you Butcher each other
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Pwadoc
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Posted - 2006.07.29 08:58:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
Ummm, yeah...
My point was that you might as well save the 'bob r teh bullies' line for your internals. I've yet to see a non-goon member agree that bob are bullying you. You've seemingly deeply offended not only BOB but a lot of the Eve community with your antics on these forums this last week. How you carry yourselves here (forums) can have a profound impact on what happens ingame. I know this has probably been said many times this week, but I it seems to not be sinking in.
So you think I've been acting inappropriately in this thread? Perhaps you think I've been acting inappropriately in other threads? See, it's this plural you think that's really getting to me. People who read SomethingAwful and post in the forums are members in every alliance in this game. There are goonfleet members with BoB alts, goons who have never been in goonfleet, and goons who used to belong to goonfleet and have now departed. There are tens of thousands of us, and we're heavily represented on Eve. So lay off about the "Eve Community" condemning "us." You have no idea who "we" are and you certainly don't represent the Eve community.
By the way, but I have had non-goonfleet players express that they felt that BoB has acted poorly and is bullying us. My anecdotal evidence is just as pointless as yours.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 09:00:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 29/07/2006 09:04:06
Originally by: Herberge
Seargent Spot, you claim to hold yourself to a higher standard, and yet here you are suggesting that all the Australian muslims trapped in Lebanon deserve to die. As an Australian citizen I find that personally extremely offensive.
Of course I would put up with it normally, but from someone who is trying so very hard to claim the moral high ground you just screwed up big time.
That is the only response that is acceptable from you, to say "I screwed up big time" and accept your thrashing. I respectfully request that BoB permanently eject you and refuse to associate with you.
If not then it will become clear that BoB is composed of disgusting bigots like yourself.
If they stand "willingly and knowingly" go out and stand near terrorists who are in the act of firing weapons in attempts to kill people, then yes, they do deserve anything that happens to them if they get caught in the crossfire.
LOAC (Law of armed conflict) is designed to let non-combatants get AWAY from combat. If they head TO the combat, deliberately, and then DELIBERATELY put themselves in the line of fire, they in many (not all) cases are no longer protected.
Play nice while you Butcher each other
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Toffles
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 09:08:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Pwadoc
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
Ummm, yeah...
My point was that you might as well save the 'bob r teh bullies' line for your internals. I've yet to see a non-goon member agree that bob are bullying you. You've seemingly deeply offended not only BOB but a lot of the Eve community with your antics on these forums this last week. How you carry yourselves here (forums) can have a profound impact on what happens ingame. I know this has probably been said many times this week, but I it seems to not be sinking in.
So you think I've been acting inappropriately in this thread? Perhaps you think I've been acting inappropriately in other threads? See, it's this plural you think that's really getting to me. People who read SomethingAwful and post in the forums are members in every alliance in this game. There are goonfleet members with BoB alts, goons who have never been in goonfleet, and goons who used to belong to goonfleet and have now departed. There are tens of thousands of us, and we're heavily represented on Eve. So lay off about the "Eve Community" condemning "us." You have no idea who "we" are and you certainly don't represent the Eve community.
By the way, but I have had non-goonfleet players express that they felt that BoB has acted poorly and is bullying us. My anecdotal evidence is just as pointless as yours.
To expand on the something awful thing. I've seen people tell us to go back to our cesspool of 14 year old posters, and all other kinds insults about SA when they don't have the slightest clue what they are talking about. I know specifically of at least two people in BoB who are members, I know goons in MC, in D2, in RZR, in ASCN, LV, ERA, you name it. Hell, even Cyvok claims to be a goon. Here's something fun, go into the videos/documentaries forums and notice the sticky titled "Hay guys, where da moviez at??" posted by the moderator Eris Discordia. That's based off a goon joke, and that's a goon moderator. So much is said about how our supposedly immoral, childish, and repulsive community at something awful will never fit in with the game community without realizing just how deeply infiltrated it already is.
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tookar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 09:08:00 -
[118]
LOL moralising on terrorism from an american :) Great how they only recently stopped publically supporting the IRA in bombing civilian targets in britain so they could get more support for thei war on "terrorism" .
Tbh bringing arguments about rl terrorism and polotics into game is just totally lame so please go to a politics forum or just post about eve politics here please . If you are getting rl politics and eve politics mixed up as some people here seem to be (threats of physical violence from internet nerds ftl) then you seriously need to go get some help from a qualified psychiatrist .
Quit the posturing and just play the game . Btw what are you doing looking at links from goonfleets private forum in the first place? EVE is supposed to be fun and threatening people with physical violence is not fun .
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.29 09:08:00 -
[119]
Am the only one who finds Spot's sig ironic in the context?
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dasdsadsadsacyx
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Posted - 2006.07.29 09:09:00 -
[120]
Edited by: dasdsadsadsacyx on 29/07/2006 09:10:10
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 29/07/2006 09:02:38
Originally by: Herberge
Seargent Spot, you claim to hold yourself to a higher standard, and yet here you are suggesting that all the Australian muslims trapped in Lebanon deserve to die. As an Australian citizen I find that personally extremely offensive.
Of course I would put up with it normally, but from someone who is trying so very hard to claim the moral high ground you just screwed up big time.
That is the only response that is acceptable from you, to say "I screwed up big time" and accept your thrashing. I respectfully request that BoB permanently eject you and refuse to associate with you.
If not then it will become clear that BoB is composed of disgusting bigots like yourself.
If they stand "willingly and knowingly" go out and stand near terrorists who are in the act of firing weapons in attempts to kill people, then yes, they do deserve anything that happens to them if they get caught in the crossfire.
LOAC (Law of armed conflict) is designed to let non-combatants get AWAY from combat. If they heads TO the combat, deliberately, and then DELIBERATELY put themselves in the line of fire, they in many (not all) cases are no longer protected.
Cant somebody already delete these completely oog and insulting posts by Sergeant Spot?
It is obvious that you in the US military believe this to be the case, but given the current very critical stance in the world with regards to your military and its methods, you should know that posting any such things is nothing but flamebait - someone will take offense to it.
People all over the world disagree with you broad and generalizing portrayal of civil casualties - so please stop this horrible rl analogue.
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