Me too, that 9.00 plus to Sisters of EVE is coming in REAL handy right now lol. I still do Recon, Cargo Delviery, and Dread Pirate Scarlet among a very few others. Oh, and stop the thief.

Incursion fleets get all nancy when you quit half way through because somethng in real life interefered - and if you do it too often will blacklist you.

Mission rats wait patiently for your return.

So depending on who you talk to, Incursions can make you anywhere from 100mil/h right up to 240mil/h plus LP. You can probably average these numbers out to something like 120mil/h plus LP once you take wait times into account.

The best numbers I've ever seen for level 4 missions is 90mil/h and that included LP, a pimped out ship and declining bad missions, as well as market trading while you're running the missions. Most people can reasonably expect to get about 30mil/h plus LP with level 4s.

So why do people still spend time running level 4 missions? They are quite literally a waste of time.

What gives?

So about 80 million an hour not including LP or travel time.

4284 minutes run time * 102 mil an hour = 7.28bil
7.28 bil / 90 hours total time invested = 80 mil.

Thank you for your excellent numbers good sir, very informative. You wouldnt happen to have the total LP for those incursions also, would you?

I have poop luck with stop the thief, I just do attack of the drones and blitz the nearest chain. I always manage to get multiwebbed 500m too far from the stupid cargo box.

Buy a big stack of Reports from NPC sell orders and keep them in your agent station. They're not mission-specific items, so if you have a stash in your hangar all you need to do is pop the named BS and then warp out and turn in the mission.

Whelp I feel silly now.

So depending on who you talk to, Incursions can make you anywhere from 100mil/h right up to 240mil/h plus LP. You can probably average these numbers out to something like 120mil/h plus LP once you take wait times into account.

The best numbers I've ever seen for level 4 missions is 90mil/h and that included LP, a pimped out ship and declining bad missions, as well as market trading while you're running the missions. Most people can reasonably expect to get about 30mil/h plus LP with level 4s.

So why do people still spend time running level 4 missions? They are quite literally a waste of time.

What gives?

So depending on who you talk to, Incursions can make you anywhere from 100mil/h right up to 240mil/h plus LP. You can probably average these numbers out to something like 120mil/h plus LP once you take wait times into account.

The best numbers I've ever seen for level 4 missions is 90mil/h and that included LP, a pimped out ship and declining bad missions, as well as market trading while you're running the missions. Most people can reasonably expect to get about 30mil/h plus LP with level 4s.

I use two chars for L4 missions, with clones in each of the four racial regions (although actually you can do the following with, say, Amarr and Metropolis). I have several L4 agents nearby or in-station in each region, and use RR Domis/Ishtars or specific fitted boats for all blitzes and faction missions.

When standings to a faction dip too far, I j/c across and run/blitz for storylines then mostly chain faction missions (which are extremely lucrative) until I have to j/c to where standings have dipped again elsewhere.

It takes a lot of time, ISK and preparation to get standings right in the first place; to research and find the optimal (or just plain preferred) L4 mission-running area in each region; to arrange jump clones, and amass the not insubstantial regional assets you need.

It started out as an idle thought, became a project, and took me eight months to sort out. But I can categorically say that I earn a great deal more than I used to running incs.

That might be true for the folks in tight-knit communities that can start running incursions the moment they log on, and keep running without interruption until they're done. They're very likely also preying on other incursion runners, jumping into sites that other people have started and finishing them off (the fleet that did the most damage in any given site is the one that gets the payout).

Yes, we can make 100-110 mill/h in VG's without contesting and 100-120 with contesting (depends who we are contesting and who is contesting us). However we rarely contest other fleets, we only do it when both fleets arrive at gate same time, we give others the choice to back out, and there are certain FC's as well that I refuse to contest.

But yea, most of these numbers are based on active running. I run private channel only so I can always keep optimal number of pilots online most of the days, so we don't end up with wait lists, and we announce fleet formups a day or two before so people usually log in at time to get in and it usually takes us up to 30 minutes to form up first time in that constellation and up to 15 minutes for fleets any day after that.

Problem with HQ's is that you can make 240 mill per hour, if you get there in time, for example, look at TVP now, you log in to get put on wait list and sit there for hour or two, then they pop the mom, so you spent 2-3 hours of your game time (wait list and moving part) for 0 isk/hour. And that is also one of the reasons people fly in multiple channels, and you get in fleet which has room at that moment.

Yeah, and when you run the numbers for level fours and only consider best case scenario and dont include travel time you make 120mil + LP also.

Because Incursions are farmed by a small handful of anal retentive groups with uber-high standards in most situations... TVP, WTM, TDF, etc... There's room for maybe 120-150 pilots to do incursions on a consistent basis. Whereas anyone who has grinded enough missions and wants to farm lvl IVs, there is no arrogant fleet comp guy to tell you 'no you can't play'.

Negatives:
No company on comms, well, you can still have people an comms and stuff, but its not the same if you aren't participating in same activity

Because Incursions are farmed by a small handful of anal retentive groups with uber-high standards in most situations... TVP, WTM, TDF, etc... There's room for maybe 120-150 pilots to do incursions on a consistent basis. Whereas anyone who has grinded enough missions and wants to farm lvl IVs, there is no arrogant fleet comp guy to tell you 'no you can't play'.

Number is far greater then that, there are 20 communities at least. Only handfull of them do HQ. And most of them but few allow T1 battleships for new members.

For example, my channel takes meta IV gunnery Maels, Rokhs, Apocs as long as there is intend of pilot to upgrade. We provide opportunity, it's up to you to take and follow doctrines or not. I can name at least 5 more communities which are going to take same, and some of them won't even require you to upgrade.

Now the problem with those channels you mentioned is that they easily get buthurt and close down incursions when they start touching each other inappropriately, which leads to current incursion state :)

So either run with the assholes or lose every contest. Lose/Lose IMHO. I can't imagine that anyone does it for the "fun" as opposed to "ISK" unless they are "griefing" which some consider "fun".

Incursion income right now is worse than SOE L4s in a decently fitted mach (2 bil or so). Incursions happen to be a lot more fun because of the social element and contests. Right now L4s are definitely better isk, and 80 mil/hour on a single account is reasonably achievable. Hopefully the stupid incursion drama will subside soon and they will become a viable source of ISK again.