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Ithildin Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:18:00 - [31] In 6 months? I should rather expect that it'd be announced in 6 months. In either case, I guess it's time to start badgering my CEO to train his alt so that TC will be participating in next tourny. Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death
Ozzie Asrail Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:19:00 - [32] Originally by: Braaage I would prefer to see some variation from the 3v3 or 5v5, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them but some variation would be cool. Such as a "king of space" (a bit like the king of the ring) whereby 1 champion from each alliance all fight it out all at the same time in a "last man standing, winner takes all" stylee. All in AFs would be cool, where the winner gets a nice faction ship, Jove frigate anyone??!! :) yea some different types could be cool. King of the hill or capture the flag style fights. -----
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:30:00 - [33] I'm going to assume the that rules will be greatly changed. I imagine that many of the teams that forfeited this time won't show up in the first place next time, and that those that do enter will be fielding exactly what ASCN or BoB had in the finals, forcing a bunch of snoozefests. The solution is to have a radically different format, and one which will not cause people to lose that much isk if its round robin style. Just for a thought exercise - try and figure out how much a serious team that lost a match or three lost in this thing. I can tell you one thing, the markets of Citadel and Forge were drained of Internal Force Field arrays both weekends... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Saeris Tal'Urduar Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Jim McGregor I agree. Just changing the team starting distance would help things enough I think. How about adding a second battleship? So that its 6 vs 6. The biggest problem I seen was that the BS/BC/C/D/F coundnt do enough dmg to break the tanks in the allotted time. With two BS's the teams could decide to go 1 hvy dmg BS/1 support BS/a support BC/a hvy dmg C. Or go for the tank breaker of 2 hvy dmg BS's/a support BC/a hvy dmg C. It would really allow an alliance to field a gank or tank team. As an example: could a heavy support team like ASCN hold out long enough to pop one of the BoB heavy gank BS's (if they fielded a gank team) and thus turn the fight in their favor? Who knows, but what I'm sure of is; the armor repping counldnt have kept up with the dmg for as long, regardless if a team fields all support ships or not. The real problem is; How do you re-balance the scales, as they seem to be in favor of tanking as it is now. (well tanking and close in blaster-boats) Not saying my idea is the answer, its just a thought. I think next time you're going to see the ASCN strategy employed by more alliances as it was very effective. And we could end up with long matches with no one popping.
Jago X	Posted - 2006.07.29 17:14:00 - [35] Edited by: Jago X on 29/07/2006 17:14:34 How I'd do the next Caldari Tournament ... King of the Hill : Teams : 2 Battleships 1 Battlecruiser 2 Cruisers 1 Destroyer 2 Frigates Rules : Team of 8 with 4 substitutes allowed. All faction ships allowed. All non-faction/officer modules allowed - (includes ECM that i hope will get changed within the next few months). 40km start distance. Players allowed to warp in/out whenever they like. Arena is surrounded by a extra large POS forcefield that marks the boundaries of the zone where, when players are within the field, they score points in for their team. For each second that a player remains within the arena he scores 1 point for his team. The team that scores the most points within the set match timeframe wins. Other Win Conditions : Destroy the other team entirely. Hold the Arena with no enemies present within it for 15 seconds. anyway i hope you get the idea .. Increase the team size - means more explosions and therefore, of course, more enjoyable viewing. Allows e-war and allows players to warp in and out - with mid slots actually needed for e-war and warp scramblers, it would make caldari ships much less popular, atleast below the Battleship class. Adds an extra tactical element to the fights which should shake things up a bit more that just who has best skills, best ships and best implants.
Karash Amerius Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 17:43:00 - [36] How about a T1 Cruiser tourney Karash Amerius Tac Coordinator, OEC Merc Blog - OEC Services
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.29 17:50:00 - [37] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/07/2006 15:10:29 Originally by: Raven Fury Another free Mothership for BoB in 6 months then Not if they dont allow implants or faction modules. Then its really up to pure tactics and some luck. Not the wallet. Well, its a good thing we won because of tactics then. Nemo me impune lacessit
Alexiander	Posted - 2006.07.29 17:56:00 - [38] Instead of having the teams start at a set distance, I had the idea that maybe they could each have a bookmark to jump to, and the players would be allowed to choose what range they jumped too. That way, there would be chance involved and teams would have to be prepared for both a close in fight or a long distance battle. For example you might warp right on top of the other team if you started from the same side and warped to the same distance. Or, if both teams started on opposite sides and both warped to 100km then they would start 200km apart. The teams starting locations relative to each other would be random. Also, I think that the world cup style qualification round was a big mistake. For the next tournament they really should just do a double elimination tournament. This would make the logistics of it all for the players much much simpler. Also, having games on fridays pretty much eliminates any americans from playing (if they have jobs ), so it would be nice if it was a saturday-sunday event.
Nafri Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 17:58:00 - [39] Well, no pirate implants no faction ships but I think the best will just be: Only minmatar ships in a minmatar championship! Will be funny to watch that From Dusk till Dawn Sig removed, e-mail us if you'd like to know why. -ReverendM ([email protected])
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 18:00:00 - [40] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/07/2006 15:10:29 Originally by: Raven Fury Another free Mothership for BoB in 6 months then Not if they dont allow implants or faction modules. Then its really up to pure tactics and some luck. Not the wallet. Well, its a good thing we won because of tactics then. Yeah, that came out wrong. Of course you guys would be the top contenders even without implants and faction modules. Just saying that it would level the playing field somewhat. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Moghydin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.07.29 18:11:00 - [41] Originally by: Galk New tournament in 6 months. There's a suprise God forbid they might actualy divert their resources in to anything else on the scale of a large event such as Same ol, y'know there was once a time when other things happened, the jove thing with the cloaks and the loot drop collections, the colossus. I guess now we are just going to be stuck with a peen alliance tourny every 6 months... each one better than the last Unfortunately it very much looks this way. It would be nice to have an event for the wider player-base and not just for those, blessed with cool alliance ticker, 40mill sp's and a billion of implants in their heads. I don't know how it can be done, but I hope someone at CCP will find the way. It's sad to see 99.9% of Eve population being forever cut off any type of PvP events if the current trend will continue.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2006.07.29 18:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: Galk New tournament in 6 months. There's a suprise God forbid they might actualy divert their resources in to anything else on the scale of a large event such as Same ol, y'know there was once a time when other things happened, the jove thing with the cloaks and the loot drop collections, the colossus. I guess now we are just going to be stuck with a peen alliance tourny every 6 months... each one better than the last Unfortunately it very much looks this way. It would be nice to have an event for the wider player-base and not just for those, blessed with cool alliance ticker, 40mill sp's and a billion of implants in their heads. I don't know how it can be done, but I hope someone at CCP will find the way. It's sad to see 99.9% of Eve population being forever cut off any type of PvP events if the current trend will continue. As someone has already stated where does it say they won't be having anymore events other than the tourny? No one is "cut off" as you say from pvp events anyone can make an alliance most people can get 5 people together to attend and you don't need 40mil sp to do it .
Omber Zombie Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 18:48:00 - [43] i'dprefer a points based system (i.e tech 1frig=1 point, bship = 8points etc.) each team gets x amount of points, build them as you wish. Should see some interesting combinations that way. ----------------------
Moghydin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.07.29 18:58:00 - [44] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: Galk New tournament in 6 months. There's a suprise God forbid they might actualy divert their resources in to anything else on the scale of a large event such as Same ol, y'know there was once a time when other things happened, the jove thing with the cloaks and the loot drop collections, the colossus. I guess now we are just going to be stuck with a peen alliance tourny every 6 months... each one better than the last Unfortunately it very much looks this way. It would be nice to have an event for the wider player-base and not just for those, blessed with cool alliance ticker, 40mill sp's and a billion of implants in their heads. I don't know how it can be done, but I hope someone at CCP will find the way. It's sad to see 99.9% of Eve population being forever cut off any type of PvP events if the current trend will continue. As someone has already stated where does it say they won't be having anymore events other than the tourny? No one is "cut off" as you say from pvp events anyone can make an alliance most people can get 5 people together to attend and you don't need 40mil sp to do it . Yes, you can do this like some did in this tournament, creating alliance especially for this occasion. Mostly, they got killed in less than 1 minute, as they didn't use faction ships and couldn't afford a full set of T2 implants for each team member (which was later called tactical wisdom btw). So, being wiped in a tournament is not considered really participating. Also, fielding 5 of your friends != fielding a team of 5 beta players.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2006.07.29 19:06:00 - [45] Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: Galk New tournament in 6 months. There's a suprise God forbid they might actualy divert their resources in to anything else on the scale of a large event such as Same ol, y'know there was once a time when other things happened, the jove thing with the cloaks and the loot drop collections, the colossus. I guess now we are just going to be stuck with a peen alliance tourny every 6 months... each one better than the last Unfortunately it very much looks this way. It would be nice to have an event for the wider player-base and not just for those, blessed with cool alliance ticker, 40mill sp's and a billion of implants in their heads. I don't know how it can be done, but I hope someone at CCP will find the way. It's sad to see 99.9% of Eve population being forever cut off any type of PvP events if the current trend will continue. As someone has already stated where does it say they won't be having anymore events other than the tourny? No one is "cut off" as you say from pvp events anyone can make an alliance most people can get 5 people together to attend and you don't need 40mil sp to do it . Yes, you can do this like some did in this tournament, creating alliance especially for this occasion. Mostly, they got killed in less than 1 minute, as they didn't use faction ships and couldn't afford a full set of T2 implants for each team member (which was later called tactical wisdom btw). So, being wiped in a tournament is not considered really participating. Also, fielding 5 of your friends != fielding a team of 5 beta players. You have 6 months notice more than enough time to make enough isk to afford a faction BS, implants and make an alliance. Oh and not everyone taking part were beta players 2 of ours were early/mid 2004. One thing I will agree which could make it easier for people to partake is not allowing pirate implants.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 19:10:00 - [46] Originally by: Omber Zombie i'dprefer a points based system (i.e tech 1frig=1 point, bship = 8points etc.) each team gets x amount of points, build them as you wish. Should see some interesting combinations that way. 1000 points to use: Battleship = 600p Cruiser = 400p Frigate = 200p Five ships allowed. Interesting combinations: 1 battleship & 1 cruiser or 5 frigates or 2 cruisers & 1 frigate or 1 cruiser and 3 frigates --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.29 19:14:00 - [47] Originally by: Moghydin Yes, you can do this like some did in this tournament, creating alliance especially for this occasion. Mostly, they got killed in less than 1 minute, as they didn't use faction ships and couldn't afford a full set of T2 implants for each team member (which was later called tactical wisdom btw). So, being wiped in a tournament is not considered really participating. Also, fielding 5 of your friends != fielding a team of 5 beta players. I will agree on the implants thing, shield tank + crystal set = omghax, especially compared to armor tank + slave set. Slaves add more time for you to die when your tank is beaten, crystals keep your tank from being broken in the first place. As far as skill points are concerned, I have to disagree somewhat. After 1 year you can be more or less fully specced frigates and interdictors, after 2 you can be fully specced a race of cruiser (i'm including recons), command ships* and battleship*. Its in game experience that counts a bit more than skill points at this level - and while beta players will likely have quite a bit of that experience, a year old player can be quite an accomplished pilot too. excluding extensive leadership specializations *excluding battleship 5 --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson*
Uncauzi Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 19:16:00 - [48] Encourage offense by not allowing a draw. If each team has their five (or whatever) ships left, the winner is the one that inflicted the most damage.
Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.29 19:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Uncauzi Encourage offense by not allowing a draw. If each team has their five (or whatever) ships left, the winner is the one that inflicted the most damage. It's impossible to calculate who inflicted the most damage when everybody on both sides is at full health because the tanks were so strong. :P I think simply banning recons would go a long way to removing the stalemates like the final battle. And TBH, it's not really fair that 2 races of recon (amarr and minmatar) get to use their bonuses as opposed to the other two (gallente and caldari) that don't. ---------- Originally by: riker to thebold first post w/ your main. Soft and Crunchy 4tw! \o/
Dao 2 Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.29 19:48:00 - [50] how about we have the freakin minmatar championships?! ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal

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