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David Odinson
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Posted - 2006.08.02 18:26:00 -
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honestly... while they were up in branch they were annoying as hell, but generally kept it clean and knew what they were doing, i only actually met up with them twice... once on my way up in a jag and once in a wolf... both times i fought with them.. both times no one died, but they were nice enough in local, chatted with them a bit... but i must agree with earlier comments in that, those who died mining or something must have been stupid
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Dracolich
North Star Networks Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.03 06:33:00 -
[152]
I have no personal love nor hate for BE, they seem like good oldskool pvp'ers. And the ratio is awesome with 4 men; NPC'ers or not. To Nafris statement that the BE wasn't mentioned in alliance chat, seems sad to say the least, in my ears. That people Npc rather than defend their space is equally sad, but I guess is kind of normal to bigger alliances. I would be equally proud of myself, if I and 3 more killed that many in a period of 2 weeks, regardless of tactics used. Btw, if the alliances don't care about the losses of the NPC'ers, then why post in the thread? Furthermore, it sickens me to hear everytime BE kills people, that its nothing. Nothing to loose ships, nothing to loose mods, etc. Why does it count less because they do it?
Last, but not least, I represent only myself(as always)in this thread, and not a voice of my own alliance. _______________________________________
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.03 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dracolich It sickens me to hear everytime BE kills people, that its nothing. Nothing to loose ships, nothing to loose mods, etc. Why does it count less because they do it?
It doesn't count less because they do it. It's the people they target that are a total non-factor in the crucial fight. The latest example being the Goon cloud ring fight. That fight was won in one system, everyone could see that and the main tactic of both parties was to get numerical superiority in that system to control it enough to plant pos and bash pos. If there is a 4 man corp going into our backyard to whack npc'ers it helps us in two ways. It frustrates npc'ers so they might come to Cloud Ring. By looking at the BE killboard it gives us an insight into who is not contributing so we can talk to them and get them onboard. In short their fighting style is actually helping their opponents both short and long term. The only negative would be the potential isk loss they are causing, significant it may be on an alliance level sometimes but I know of no case where it has had any major effect on either alliance or personal effectiveness.
We post to refute their claims not because BE is a huge issue but because we feel differently to what they do. Conflicting views does not mean it's a big issue. It can blow up into a huge argument anyway. RL tought me that.
oh and I've seen MC making a difference a number of times. Last time they had the opportunity was during their TBB contract but then they measly just gave the station back. Cap ship production was destroyed though which counts for alot.
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Svabbi k
Botox Bandits
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Posted - 2006.08.03 10:26:00 -
[154]
Vfff, Burn eden are my heros =) good ganking guys and to the rest, quit whining about stabs an ****, just play the game =) (and btw it¦s getting a bit old, that stab thingie, don¦t u have anything else to nag about ? )
Happy hunting Hµ! And be welcome to my world of love, where i am the king and you are the queen! |
gaz widdow
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Posted - 2006.08.03 11:30:00 -
[155]
I said a year ago when these guys are roaming around your systems you would think theres x3 the numbers they actually field this thread proves it.
they know there ship types,fittings, before they undock not like most, just undock in the first ship in the hanger so end up with half a fleet that carnt even lock them, and the other 1/4 dampened.
Got to luv em grats BE |
Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.03 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Evelyn Exe
Not wanting to put words into m'colleagues mouth here but the point he was making (I believe) was that its really not all that impressive numbers. We have been roaming the North for some R&R and training purposes in a small IXC gang and have got similar numbers of kills (pro rata and with a lot less time devoted to it) in a roaming op and we do not claim to be the pvp gods of eve (far from it).
We have taken more losses because we have been roaming around and taking more risks, if we see a hostile gang we think we can 50:50 take we will go for it or even pulling 80% of our gang out of the fight to get a good scrap (props to the ebil priates of Beagle corp for the mini tourney btw ).
BE have got a lot more patience and dedication than most though, that much is true.
o7
And on the subject of killing things in the North I have to say that, while BE's stats are impressive, they're not anything out of the ordinary in the North. Beagle Corp has been hitting the Northern regions for months now about 2-3 times per week on average; it's very possible to get that many kills if you know what you're doing.
One Week Ago
Two Weeks Ago
It's the nature of the game; you're attacking targets when it suits you and on your terms s it's difficult not to achieve good stats. It's a lot of fun but I don't call it highly-skilled PvP. Try breaking a few pipe gate camps where the enemy groups are PvP ships that are actually ready for you; that's a better show of skill than ganking ratters and miners. -----
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Drunken Claptrap
Ganksters Paradise
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:17:00 -
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Good Job boys. I've flown against you, and I've flown with you. Always had a laugh. The Gank also learnt alot from you guys, so cheers for that, we're having a ball. Say hi to my old mate AXI0S for me.
DC
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Novamute
Gallente Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2006.08.03 16:57:00 -
[158]
Any way you look at it, those are real nice stats.
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The Gank
Ganksters Paradise
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:22:00 -
[159]
Hi Guys, I'm still using my T2 WCS they are great, flysafe:)
The Gank
Ganksters Paradise Website |
welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:53:00 -
[160]
The Eve player base are scared of Burn Eden and their ability to make things explode, thats why they resort to attacks on the forums instead.
Can't win on the battlefield but everyones a loser on the forums, it's comforting to take the enemy down with you.
I agree though, BE should maintain a prolonged campaign against someone to see how it really effects them.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: SATAN on 04/08/2006 18:26:15
Originally by: welsh wizard The Eve player base are scared of Burn Eden and their ability to make things explode, thats why they resort to attacks on the forums instead.
Can't win on the battlefield but everyones a loser on the forums, it's comforting to take the enemy down with you.
I agree though, BE should maintain a prolonged campaign against someone to see how it really effects them.
We have dont so in the past and to be honest it never turned out well for business.
When stain was all SA we moved in and lived there for about 2 months I would say, and it got to the point that they just fell appart. I will not sit here and tell you we are the sole or major reason SA fell appart, but I have no doubts we had more to do with it than anyone will acknowledge. Same can be said for some of the FE incarnations, and several other alliances.
After that we decided to make our stays shorter to make sure we dont affect anyone too much, our goals are not to destroy but to farm.
PS:> You being is Celest Apoc probably know what I mean, you guys have done your share of severly affecting alliances even though they will never admit it. But I can tell you some of the alliances you use to scare the crap out of TPS, and Ganksta Nation, and Curse. Was in everyone of those when you guys were attacking and while publicly they would never say you were a threat, privately was a very different story.
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Manus Ghostface
Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:41:00 -
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The following is a personal opinion:
It seems a big part of Eve politics is to ignore, belittle, or minimize accomplishments of people percieved as enemies.
I remember watching one of Eyeshadows videos and people commented that many of the MC kills were "ganks". But they were kills, and the contracts were fulfilled.
When Mastakilla was on the couch during the tourney he pretty much explained UDIE's modus operandi. Kill others, try to not die, steal their stuff, have a good killboard. So basically kill many more than you lose and make money and make other people sad. I would say that even their victims should be able to agree that UDIE has fulfilled this. When they show up, people who ignore them die, people who react either dock or form up to hunt them down.
Now people say "But they are all about ravens with racks of stabs and sensor dampeners". Well if this is true, then whats the excuse about not killing them? If you go into a fight 95 percent certain of the enemies loadout, you are the one with the advantage I would think.
Now on the other hand, many people who have said that UDIE does their alliance a favor are somewhat right, in that some of their victims will learn from their mistakes and be a harder target in the future. On the other hand, the vast amounts of money to be made in 0.0 allow people to make the same mistakes again and again in many cases. So its a case by case basis.
Summation: UDIE likes staying small, they aren't trying to be a earthshaking/political power, and probably wouldn't have fun if they did. But in their niche of being a small, tightly nit kill ration machine they excell, and show a pound for pound meaness that many would envy. Sure they use some shady things to maintain that ratior (spies in interdictors, out of corp alts in interdictors, ect), but they are pretty much up front about it when asked, and don't seem to pretend to be anything but what they are.
That city is well fortified which has a wall of men instead of brick. - Lycurgus |
Rydal32
Caldari Warped Mining
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:56:00 -
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Burn Eden are a recognised force within eve. Everyone knows that, and they always cause headaches. They do all this while having a corp membership a tiny percentage of the size of other forces in eve that have a similar impact.
Those facts speak for themselves.
Burn Eden are a well oiled machine, performing there objectives clinically.
I've been on the painfull side of their missiles a couple of times, and tbh didn't get close to causing them any casualties. But it tought me lessons that i needed to learn.
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ETS4ME
Caldari BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:23:00 -
[164]
I would like to thank everyone that posted either for, or against us. Funny how the same people say the same things about us.. Everytime we post results from a paid contract. Our main job was to pis_s off the miners and NPCers and what ever flys in that area. The only thing I think about is isk and having fun making it. The people that hired us are happy and we made alot of isk. So Im happy,
P.S. Please make me primary so my corp mates can live.
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Rose Kolodny
Gallente Space Invaders
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Posted - 2006.08.06 02:36:00 -
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Haven't been PvP'ing for a longer time, but this thread is funny to a degree.
First we have the victims with the absurd argument: When we bring 30824792387408238740238247082374083274 times your numbers, you just run. I have yet to see inferiors bringing equal numbers to fight a superior enemy.
Then we have the victims with the absurd argument: We can't even come close to you, you snipe us from 40 au away. In that case some sensor boosters and sensor dampeners should solve the problem. Those were the basics of PvP 3 years ago already.
Then we have some random BoB'er on a high horse: Once upon a time I shot one of you, you had a med shield booster equipped. Well, once upon a time Molle send several dozen BS to pick up a med shield booster in Fountain and lost like a dozen there :P.
Then we have the show-off killers. Never been a big fan of all the kill ratio posting and kill boards but I guess it's needed for ***** measuarement. The numbers per se don't say much. It was not hard to kill half a dozen carebears in Battleships alone in a playing session at a day when the server had 7k players top, make it 7 days x 4 players x 6 Battleships = 168 Battleships, so you even didn't kill half of that what I'd say is normal for a low population server while the server now has a top of like 25k.
Sigh... -- Recruiting Video |
welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.08.06 02:44:00 -
[166]
Yeah, so stop being wrong everyone!
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Cohkka
LoneWolf Mining R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.06 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
I agree though, BE should maintain a prolonged campaign against someone to see how it really effects them.
Heh, and then the region will look like Fountain looks now? You know it doesn't work without bunnys making the life of an alliance within a region impossible. And by bunnys I mean people who're willing/eager to do boring stuff like camping day in day out and shooting POSs.
Personaly I could care less how "success" is measured. I don't think BE is playing the game because of the *exciting* Alliancewarfare, so all the blabla about their impact on an Alliance is irrelevant. It's like comparing apples to oranges... Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5... |
Evelyn Exe
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Posted - 2006.08.06 10:45:00 -
[168]
A dictor bubble, some T2 torps and alt spies in surrounding systems to warn of approaching hostiles = lots of easy gank kills.
What BE do is not hard, thats the thing. It's just most players with enough SP to use tech 2 fitted BS get involved in corps with a bit more ambition/variety. Still each to their own.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.08.06 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Evelyn Exe A dictor bubble, some T2 torps and alt spies in surrounding systems to warn of approaching hostiles = lots of easy gank kills.
What BE do is not hard, thats the thing. It's just most players with enough SP to use tech 2 fitted BS get involved in corps with a bit more ambition/variety. Still each to their own.
Yes thats why soo many people in this game can achieve what we do...
And offcourse as always we ONLY gank, god forbid anyone should look at our kill board and see how the kills seem to come in packs, and for some reason they are all pvp fitted ships even though they are obviosly NPC'ing or minning.
Far as the ambition thing goes, we have been in charge of alliances long before most even knew how to get into 0.0. And long ago figured out that UDIE was never going to be about that, and the complete opposite as a matter of fact.
If and I do mean a big if, UDIE ever went the way of being involved in any sort of alliance I can certainly guarantee you it would be one that consists of no normal alliance crap, and mainly based on killing.
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ETS4ME
Caldari BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.08.07 05:00:00 -
[170]
There most be alot of mining going on in M-O.....
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.08.07 05:10:00 -
[171]
I wanted that Raptor so bad I could taste it.
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Zulak
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Posted - 2006.08.07 05:15:00 -
[172]
Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Evelyn Exe A dictor bubble, some T2 torps and alt spies in surrounding systems to warn of approaching hostiles = lots of easy gank kills.
What BE do is not hard, thats the thing. It's just most players with enough SP to use tech 2 fitted BS get involved in corps with a bit more ambition/variety. Still each to their own.
Yes thats why soo many people in this game can achieve what we do...
And offcourse as always we ONLY gank, god forbid anyone should look at our kill board and see how the kills seem to come in packs, and for some reason they are all pvp fitted ships even though they are obviosly NPC'ing or minning.
Far as the ambition thing goes, we have been in charge of alliances long before most even knew how to get into 0.0. And long ago figured out that UDIE was never going to be about that, and the complete opposite as a matter of fact.
If and I do mean a big if, UDIE ever went the way of being involved in any sort of alliance I can certainly guarantee you it would be one that consists of no normal alliance crap, and mainly based on killing.
That's the thing I hope EVE can improve on. In some sense, alliance has many boring things. Long time needed to setup fleet ops, camping gates to secure a mining area, huge lag during fleet op combat. Not to mention if there is no alliance ops going on, you would just mine or rat like you do like newbie corp. So why not just get a small number of people together and start having fun right away. Of course, the fun usually invovles killing rather than ratting or mining which both are very boring. From the point of maxiumizing one's fun, I think burn eden is going the right path. Many say that yeah, burn eden might not make a difference in the whole political situation of the eve or whatever, but in what sense can any alliance really affect eve in a signaficant way when 70% of eve population lives in empire, if eve is like Shadowbane where an alliance can take over an entire server, that'd be something to see. I just hope Soverignty in EVE means a lot more than it does now.
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Buddrow
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.07 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN Edited by: SATAN on 04/08/2006 18:26:15
Originally by: welsh wizard The Eve player base are scared of Burn Eden and their ability to make things explode, thats why they resort to attacks on the forums instead.
Can't win on the battlefield but everyones a loser on the forums, it's comforting to take the enemy down with you.
I agree though, BE should maintain a prolonged campaign against someone to see how it really effects them.
We have dont so in the past and to be honest it never turned out well for business.
When stain was all SA we moved in and lived there for about 2 months I would say, and it got to the point that they just fell appart. I will not sit here and tell you we are the sole or major reason SA fell appart, but I have no doubts we had more to do with it than anyone will acknowledge. Same can be said for some of the FE incarnations, and several other alliances.
After that we decided to make our stays shorter to make sure we dont affect anyone too much, our goals are not to destroy but to farm.
PS:> You being is Celest Apoc probably know what I mean, you guys have done your share of severly affecting alliances even though they will never admit it. But I can tell you some of the alliances you use to scare the crap out of TPS, and Ganksta Nation, and Curse. Was in everyone of those when you guys were attacking and while publicly they would never say you were a threat, privately was a very different story.
Hats off to the stats boys, i due to prolonged rl circumstances can't lead atm
But on the note of your extended campaign
its somewhat of an oxymoron, its works in a way that eliminates there own business as they either kill off the idiots who are not intelligent enough to use scouts and travel properly or they remove the alliances pilots ability to move independently which they therefore move in groups and neutralize be's most effective tactic, which is fighting on their own terms and when the numbers are in a manageable favor to them. Not always outnumbering the enemy but to the point where they can handle them.
Its nothing but intelligence on their own part that eliminates their business its part of the trade... but none the less they get to see new **** all the time.
---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
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Evelyn Exe
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Posted - 2006.08.07 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Evelyn Exe A dictor bubble, some T2 torps and alt spies in surrounding systems to warn of approaching hostiles = lots of easy gank kills.
What BE do is not hard, thats the thing. It's just most players with enough SP to use tech 2 fitted BS get involved in corps with a bit more ambition/variety. Still each to their own.
Yes thats why soo many people in this game can achieve what we do...
Achieve what? A positive K:D ratio and a large number of ganks.
Pretty much every half decent pvper in 0.0 can boast that.
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Blaxi
Amarr Free-Space-Ranger
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Posted - 2006.08.07 18:54:00 -
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Burn Eden play very good. Never saw a Raven which shoot 200km with Torpedos before. We lost 8 BS and catch only 2 Ravens from BE . We work on tactics to get them and minimise our looses :).
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ETS4ME
Caldari BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.08.07 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Blaxi Burn Eden play very good. Never saw a Raven which shoot 200km with Torpedos before. We lost 8 BS and catch only 2 Ravens from BE . We work on tactics to get them and minimise our looses :).
9BS's that is, and alot of support ships aswell.. but good fights anyways..
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xeom
Obsidian Sins
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Posted - 2006.08.08 06:18:00 -
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200km with torps
CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? | Join[..SIN] |
Apollo Balthar
Minmatar Yamamoto Tech.
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Posted - 2006.08.08 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: xeom 200km with torps
Lol, gotta love it... short range weapon lol...
Can't wait how the "short range" cruiser sized weapon will work out.....
Sorry to derail the thread. On topic, great work BE, it's not easy to fight outnumbered, it's very hard to do it and win !
This post represent my own, my Corporation's, my mother's and my father's, my mates' and the royal families'point of view.
Now shut up and be happy!
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Red Horseman
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.08 19:20:00 -
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These guys pulled this same tactic in the FAT-6P pipe against Huzzah. It was terribly effective, and we were glad to see them leave. I was unfortunate enough to catch a volley of t2 torps from two ravens while in my geddon, and let me tell you I couldn't have taken another (I ran like a *****).
You know, people whine about how underhanded and sneaky these tactics are, when what they should be doing is training torpedo and caldari battleship skills. Oh, and doing logoff/logon drills.
Hat's off to you, but I hope I never see any of you again. ----------------------------------------------
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.08.09 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Red Horseman These guys pulled this same tactic in the FAT-6P pipe against Huzzah. It was terribly effective, and we were glad to see them leave. I was unfortunate enough to catch a volley of t2 torps from two ravens while in my geddon, and let me tell you I couldn't have taken another (I ran like a *****).
You know, people whine about how underhanded and sneaky these tactics are, when what they should be doing is training torpedo and caldari battleship skills. Oh, and doing logoff/logon drills.
Hat's off to you, but I hope I never see any of you again.
My head just grew
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