Originally by: Sarmaul

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Wasn't your last thread like this locked?

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Originally by: Hixus

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A link to your killboard could have saved you some typing....

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Originally by: Unknown Scout

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"ze scoud ffrom xzy, hSs a geighz aggdi...,eeeeeehhhmmmmm, somesing is jambing halt, sree hospitalized incoming."

Originally by: Masta Killa

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I'd also like to announce that I took part in a few of those kills and that I wasn't even scrambled once during the whole operation in noob space.

Sorry, I mean D2 space.

Ok I mean noob space.

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Originally by: Unknown Scout

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"ze scoud ffrom xzy, hSs a geighz aggdi...,eeeeeehhhmmmmm, somesing is jambing halt, sree hospitalized incoming."

Originally by: Dragerest

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hard to respect people that stab out there ravens for fighting, and use alot of sensor damp.
good numbers i guess for ganking.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Originally by: Dragerest

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hard to respect people that stab out there ravens for fighting, and use alot of sensor damp.
good numbers i guess for ganking.

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You may want to look at the actual kill board and decide for your self who the stabs users were durring this period of time, instead of just making up random remarks.

And there were numerous fights especialy where D2 was concerned where the fights were alot more than just ganks, but I forgot according to most all we do is gank.

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Originally by: SATAN

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You may want to look at the actual kill board and decide for your self who the stabs users were durring this period of time, instead of just making up random remarks.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Just over 2 weeks ago [UDIE] was asked if we would be willing and able to disrupt operations of D2 and her allies which included IRON/FLA/etcà

After discussing the potential problems with only 4 members being active at the time we decided to still go ahead and take on the task and see what we could make of it. Expecting heavy resistance from D2 we were not hopping for much with so few members being active. Our lack of self belief was quickly swayed when the kills started to roll in and the party got started.

The first weeks results were posted and quickly locked for lack of information, we decided not to make a full post till the end of week 2. The following results of our labor was for July 15th 02:00 Eve time till July 29 02:00. By about midway of the contract vacationing killers started to come back home and our numbers swelled to a massive 7 members, which D2 and her allies obviously were not capable of out blobbing.
Assult frigs -7
Battle cruisers -3
Battleships -81
Covert Opps -3
Cruiser -28
Destroyer -2
Exhumer -3
Frigate -15
Heavy assault -4
Industrial -18
Logistics -1
Interceptor -12
Mining Barge -5
Recon -3
Transport -2
Shuttle -3

Pods -96

Losses were
Battleships -2
Interdictors -3
Interceptors -1
Frigate -1

Pods -1

We would like to thank for the excellent loot everyone donated, and would also like the eve community to know that MANY warp core stabs were harmed/lost in this conflict. And judging by our losses you can take a guess as to where the majority of them came from.

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Originally by: DDaisy

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Your attempt to disguise your trolling with apparently relevant kill data is pretty pathetic. Post the info and say gf or was fun. But don't post rubbish that merely highlights your questionable tactics (by this I mean the logging).



DD

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Originally by: DDaisy

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Never questioned the kill ratio and it is a ratio that is quite easy to maintain with sniping tactics coupled with logging tactics. It isn't clearly shown in my quote but I highlighted the sentence re: outblobbing. This was the baiting imo which is why I said gf or see you out there (or some such comment) would have been more appropriate.

It's kinda hard to blob something that logs.

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Originally by: kahle

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Nice numbers indeed, but no matter how you put it (and it is rather thinly veiled, however i cant be bothered to quote) this is flame bait.

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Originally by: Scrofalitic One

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If you look at Heinkys kill mail you will see I have managed to fit T2 1400's to my capsule. Go me!!

First time I've been hit up with T2 torps and I have to admit they melted my ship in no time flat. Nice fight. Nice use of an alt in a neutral corp to drop interdictor bubble too :)

Next time hopefully I won't be fitted for fleet sniping and will do more than float off in an egg.... well, I can hope anyway!

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Originally by: SATAN

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This fight never happened, according to your alliance mates we only snipe with our ships and we never jump in on anyone inside our own bubble while outnumbered 2:1 or more. So you must be thinking of someone else....

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Originally by: Fred0

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Oh, and Im drunk.

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Originally by: Abdalion

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Definitely raised my eyebrow a tic

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Originally by: Ajaya

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Originally by: kahle

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Nice numbers indeed, but no matter how you put it (and it is rather thinly veiled, however i cant be bothered to quote) this is flame bait.

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Posting war results where you have had stupidly good success is flame bait now?

Damn, I didn't know posting facts about contracts is flame bait now...

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Originally by: thedragoon

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Nice numbers - Hello to all my old corp members o/

show's that the pro corp that i left 4 moths ago is the small force in the game that no alliance has been able to come up with a way of beating them.

Wonder what CCP will do to nerf Burn eden when they realise they dont fit stabbs no more.........

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Originally by: Oceana

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How many kills were against our PvPers in XZH?

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Originally by: The Slayer

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Edited by: The Slayer on 30/07/2006 02:13:40
I love all these guys coming in and saying "Wow you guys suck, what have you done, nothing hah we rule you suck nubs hah".

They killed EIGHTY ONE battle ships. Seven of them. In two weeks. I have no love for BE, but I can appreciate a good op when I see one. Stop being such a**holes and give credit where its due. Im sure you wouldnt get anyone trolling an MC after contract thread like this, it really shows the level of the enemy when they have to resort to "Iraqi information minister" posts about "This is not hurting us, this is helping us, keep killing us, you are doing good thank you".

Rant over.

GG Satan :)

I am also drunk :)

Originally by: Oceana

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How many kills were against our PvPers in XZH?

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Last time I checked sweetheart there werent "PVP Arenas" in eve, kills count anywhere :)

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ANGEL DEEP CORPORATION

Originally by: The Slayer

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I love all these guys coming in and saying "Wow you guys suck, what have you done, nothing hah we rule you suck nubs hah".

They killed EIGHTY ONE battle ships. In two weeks. I have no love for BE, but I can appreciate a good op when I see one. Stop being such a**holes and give credit where its due.

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Originally by: Heinky

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Humm... ok

As u can see on the Burn eden loss mails poasted in this thread we use 1 YES I REPEAT 1 wcs on our ravens (now).
so people with the wcs just forget it, u all fit more stabs then be members , this wcs is way out od date.

Its always fun to bring the " thanks for teaching our npcers" bull****, just like ascn did back in the day, then when the "REAL" pvpers came home and got owned as well it was just ganks of course.

At the last day of conntract we jumped into our own bubble vs 2 - 1 odds and we still came on top and were holding the gate.

and last but not least, we got hired to go to d2/iron/fla space and kill everything on sight , beeing members of the alliances or people using their stations/area.

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Originally by: Oceana

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Hmmm D2 was in XZH pretty much the whole time.

How many kills were against our PvPers in XZH?

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Originally by: Marvel Master

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This posting could be an aspirant for the needless postings from 2006 ;-)

Short Version. A stab raven ganks with other stab ravens some hunter and carebears. Lets disband something.

The letters from this posting are not worth the disk space from the database of this froum.

Marvel

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Originally by: Deathwing

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tbh ive never understood how other people cant post links to their killboards or post mails on the forums but Burn Eden is allowed to use these forums as their own personal killboard everytime they get a contract.

Deacent numbers none the less, but still....just a question

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Originally by: Seleene

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Originally by: The Slayer

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I love all these guys coming in and saying "Wow you guys suck, what have you done, nothing hah we rule you suck nubs hah".

They killed EIGHTY ONE battle ships. In two weeks. I have no love for BE, but I can appreciate a good op when I see one. Stop being such a**holes and give credit where its due.

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This pretty much says it all.

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Originally by: SweatySack

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Ok, I have looked at like 3 post in this thread.

BE, I give you guys credit for being good gankers. Toe to toe. You guys could not do a damn thing to a dedicated PVP corp like FREEE. We have chased you down many times with even numbers and firepower. Then you just run. Sure you may have killed some of our members while mining or NPC hunting. Yet never killed us while you were the prey.

Now if you want the respect of people in EvE. Try engaging in a fair fight and win. Then after you do that a few times. Go after some unfair fights. You want to be big and bad? Try fighting for once, and not so one dimensional.

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Originally by: Mahrla

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Edited by: Mahrla on 30/07/2006 10:23:48
Hmm question at Heinky!

Where is the Loss Mail from your Raven? We started for few Weeks a Freighter Convoy from BKG to CZD we was aligned and Heinky warped at 100km at the Station an open your Fire. Our Support and BS fires back and killed you but i can not find this Loss Mail in your Killboard. I search in your Killboard for a Char with Names iMic ger he was involved Partie but only one Killmail was found thats was a Kill for the EC-P8R Offense from BoB/ASCN/5 & Friends. Pls post Lossmails in your Killboard it's not a Shame!

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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I had expected more kills tbh, the north generally is a very target rich environment.
And our combat pilots were in XZH, we dont care about a few BE gankers (though you are very good at it).

Like Alek, you failed in your mission to remove D2 from Deklein or Branch. You failed. Like always. But you have your good killratio to compensate it everytime

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Quote:

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They killed EIGHTY ONE battle ships. Seven of them. In two weeks.

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Originally by: Heinky

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Edited by: Heinky on 30/07/2006 12:08:42

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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I had expected more kills tbh, the north generally is a very target rich environment.
And our combat pilots were in XZH, we dont care about a few BE gankers (though you are very good at it).

Like Alek, you failed in your mission to remove D2 from Deklein or Branch. You failed. Like always. But you have your good killratio to compensate it everytime

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How can we fail ? We had a conntract to kill in your and your allie space and did a good job of it, so our conntract was a success.

Your alliance fails, u cant protect your people in your own space, even tho your are in another area fighting u should be able to protect your miners/npcers but NO U FAIL.

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Originally by: SATAN

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We would like to thank for the excellent loot everyone donated, and would also like the eve community to know that MANY warp core stabs were harmed/lost in this conflict. And judging by our losses you can take a guess as to where the majority of them came from.

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Originally by: s4mp3r0r

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"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Seleene

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Originally by: The Slayer

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I love all these guys coming in and saying "Wow you guys suck, what have you done, nothing hah we rule you suck nubs hah".

They killed EIGHTY ONE battle ships. In two weeks. I have no love for BE, but I can appreciate a good op when I see one. Stop being such a**holes and give credit where its due.

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This pretty much says it all.

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No it doesnt, try setting up a roaming squad with of 5-10 people and a dictor. The north is an extremely target rich environment especially if you include in the stats every region that spans from CR to Tenal. I know because you can easily kill 5-6 battleships per night just roaming around and busting npcer/miners and people travelling.

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Quote:

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Your alliance fails, u cant protect your people in your own space, even tho your are in another area fighting u should be able to protect your miners/npcers but NO U FAIL.

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Originally by: dailyhazard

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Originally by: SweatySack

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Ok, I have looked at like 3 post in this thread.

BE, I give you guys credit for being good gankers. Toe to toe. You guys could not do a damn thing to a dedicated PVP corp like FREEE. We have chased you down many times with even numbers and firepower. Then you just run. Sure you may have killed some of our members while mining or NPC hunting. Yet never killed us while you were the prey.

Now if you want the respect of people in EvE. Try engaging in a fair fight and win. Then after you do that a few times. Go after some unfair fights. You want to be big and bad? Try fighting for once, and not so one dimensional.

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sorry but
who are you?
Good job be :]

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 30/07/2006 13:37:49

Originally by: dailyhazard

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Originally by: SweatySack

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Ok, I have looked at like 3 post in this thread.

BE, I give you guys credit for being good gankers. Toe to toe. You guys could not do a damn thing to a dedicated PVP corp like FREEE. We have chased you down many times with even numbers and firepower. Then you just run. Sure you may have killed some of our members while mining or NPC hunting. Yet never killed us while you were the prey.

Now if you want the respect of people in EvE. Try engaging in a fair fight and win. Then after you do that a few times. Go after some unfair fights. You want to be big and bad? Try fighting for once, and not so one dimensional.

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sorry but
who are you?
Good job be :]

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Where do you live?

We need another road trip.

PS: Never heard of you, either.

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Originally by: Deathwing

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tbh ive never understood how other people cant post links to their killboards or post mails on the forums but Burn Eden is allowed to use these forums as their own personal killboard everytime they get a contract.

Deacent numbers none the less, but still....just a question

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Originally by: Crucifier

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 30/07/2006 13:37:49

Originally by: dailyhazard

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Originally by: SweatySack

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Ok, I have looked at like 3 post in this thread.

BE, I give you guys credit for being good gankers. Toe to toe. You guys could not do a damn thing to a dedicated PVP corp like FREEE. We have chased you down many times with even numbers and firepower. Then you just run. Sure you may have killed some of our members while mining or NPC hunting. Yet never killed us while you were the prey.

Now if you want the respect of people in EvE. Try engaging in a fair fight and win. Then after you do that a few times. Go after some unfair fights. You want to be big and bad? Try fighting for once, and not so one dimensional.

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sorry but
who are you?
Good job be :]

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Where do you live?

We need another road trip.

PS: Never heard of you, either.

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daily > you

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Originally by: Shigsy

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I don't understand why people hate Burn Eden so much. From what I have read it's because they use a few stabs, and hit you at 200km. Its a perfectly good tactic and they have used it very effectivly. If they annoy you so much why don't you get a load of ravens with javelin torps and fight back?

Good job BE, you're good at what you do.

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Originally by: Hans Roaming

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Do you count your 2nd chars in NPC corps as BE losses?

Good results killing those BS.

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Originally by: Le Pecarosh

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Edited by: Le Pecarosh on 30/07/2006 16:57:09

Originally by: Shigsy

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I don't understand why people hate Burn Eden so much. From what I have read it's because they use a few stabs, and hit you at 200km. Its a perfectly good tactic and they have used it very effectivly. If they annoy you so much why don't you get a load of ravens with javelin torps and fight back?

Good job BE, you're good at what you do.

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Because they safespot+logoff at any sign of ships that might actually hurt them? No idea if they still do it, but they've done it in ASCN space.

Don't think people actually hate them. I joined ASCN and saw Burn Eden tactics, and was quite amused with it. Hell, they did it very well. It's the "hunt" that is utterly boring, since not everyone has time to play EVE and camp all day long, so...

"Persistant state ships" should sort it out, if CCP ever implements it.

EDIT: Even if I've checked 2 times which character was chosen for posting, it still posted w/ alt. CCP should fix the behaviour (and I have my main set as default), since it's really annoying :(

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Originally by: The Slayer

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Edited by: The Slayer on 30/07/2006 02:13:40
I love all these guys coming in and saying "Wow you guys suck, what have you done, nothing hah we rule you suck nubs hah".

They killed EIGHTY ONE battle ships. Seven of them. In two weeks. I have no love for BE, but I can appreciate a good op when I see one. Stop being such a**holes and give credit where its due. Im sure you wouldnt get anyone trolling an MC after contract thread like this, it really shows the level of the enemy when they have to resort to "Iraqi information minister" posts about "This is not hurting us, this is helping us, keep killing us, you are doing good thank you".

Rant over.

GG Satan :)

I am also drunk :)

Originally by: Oceana

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How many kills were against our PvPers in XZH?

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Last time I checked sweetheart there werent "PVP Arenas" in eve, kills count anywhere :)

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 30/07/2006 13:37:49

Originally by: dailyhazard

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Originally by: SweatySack

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Ok, I have looked at like 3 post in this thread.

BE, I give you guys credit for being good gankers. Toe to toe. You guys could not do a damn thing to a dedicated PVP corp like FREEE. We have chased you down many times with even numbers and firepower. Then you just run. Sure you may have killed some of our members while mining or NPC hunting. Yet never killed us while you were the prey.

Now if you want the respect of people in EvE. Try engaging in a fair fight and win. Then after you do that a few times. Go after some unfair fights. You want to be big and bad? Try fighting for once, and not so one dimensional.

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sorry but
who are you?
Good job be :]

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Where do you live?

We need another road trip.

PS: Never heard of you, either.

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Originally by: Nova Strikes

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Originally by: The Slayer

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Edited by: The Slayer on 30/07/2006 02:13:40
I love all these guys coming in and saying "Wow you guys suck, what have you done, nothing hah we rule you suck nubs hah".

They killed EIGHTY ONE battle ships. Seven of them. In two weeks. I have no love for BE, but I can appreciate a good op when I see one. Stop being such a**holes and give credit where its due. Im sure you wouldnt get anyone trolling an MC after contract thread like this, it really shows the level of the enemy when they have to resort to "Iraqi information minister" posts about "This is not hurting us, this is helping us, keep killing us, you are doing good thank you".

Rant over.

GG Satan :)

I am also drunk :)

Originally by: Oceana

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How many kills were against our PvPers in XZH?

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Last time I checked sweetheart there werent "PVP Arenas" in eve, kills count anywhere :)

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Thats just it slayer, they do train those less smart and they dont hurt any alliance apart from that pride.

And lets face it, if this was an MC thread, they would sho a hell of alot more respect for those they are fighting, since when did UDIE's ever show anyone respect? And that why a great many will not respect them either.

So go figure, great kills ratio but once again lousy attitude UDIE's well done

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Originally by: MeanStreak

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We play this game to have fun, our actions are not intented to get something achieved in a fantasy world. Its to have fun, kill stuff and make you realize that just because you have built a fantasy empire and ganged up with 2000 of your closest friends it still means nothing when our little group of friends rolls into your village.

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Originally by: Evelyn Exe

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Originally by: MeanStreak

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We play this game to have fun, our actions are not intented to get something achieved in a fantasy world. Its to have fun, kill stuff and make you realize that just because you have built a fantasy empire and ganged up with 2000 of your closest friends it still means nothing when our little group of friends rolls into your village.

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Well this is a fanstasy world and if you are not looking to achieve anything or explore areas of the game other than ganking why not just go play counterstrike or something? Not meant as a flame just an observation.

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Originally by: dailyhazard

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Not to derail this thread, but im currently chilling out in a station, but i actually do remember your corp, we killed you and some freinds camp in c4c, with 1 vaga 4 ceptors, vs 3 bs + fighters other than that bring it.

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Originally by: MeanStreak

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Originally by: Evelyn Exe

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Originally by: MeanStreak

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We play this game to have fun, our actions are not intented to get something achieved in a fantasy world. Its to have fun, kill stuff and make you realize that just because you have built a fantasy empire and ganged up with 2000 of your closest friends it still means nothing when our little group of friends rolls into your village.

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Well this is a fanstasy world and if you are not looking to achieve anything or explore areas of the game other than ganking why not just go play counterstrike or something? Not meant as a flame just an observation.

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Simple really,

We take pleasure in your pain.

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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky

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All you actually do is inconvienence people you will never actually cause real damage. Although if it keeps you happy then more power to you I guess

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Originally by: Panzer Goddess

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I podded wrangler, and all I got was this lousy forumban.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Seleene

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Originally by: The Slayer

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I love all these guys coming in and saying "Wow you guys suck, what have you done, nothing hah we rule you suck nubs hah".

They killed EIGHTY ONE battle ships. In two weeks. I have no love for BE, but I can appreciate a good op when I see one. Stop being such a**holes and give credit where its due.

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This pretty much says it all.

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No it doesnt, try setting up a roaming squad with of 5-10 people and a dictor. The north is an extremely target rich environment especially if you include in the stats every region that spans from CR to Tenal. I know because you can easily kill 5-6 battleships per night just roaming around and busting npcer/miners and people travelling.

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Originally by: pylons38

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Edited by: pylons38 on 31/07/2006 08:50:05
Nicely done guys. And on a side note, Alek didn't "fail", as some D2 decided to randomly state incorrectly.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Seleene

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Originally by: The Slayer

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I love all these guys coming in and saying "Wow you guys suck, what have you done, nothing hah we rule you suck nubs hah".

They killed EIGHTY ONE battle ships. In two weeks. I have no love for BE, but I can appreciate a good op when I see one. Stop being such a**holes and give credit where its due.

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This pretty much says it all.

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No it doesnt, try setting up a roaming squad with of 5-10 people and a dictor. The north is an extremely target rich environment especially if you include in the stats every region that spans from CR to Tenal. I know because you can easily kill 5-6 battleships per night just roaming around and busting npcer/miners and people travelling.

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Explain how that invalidates the stats presented?

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Originally by: NATMav

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Originally by: dailyhazard

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Not to derail this thread, but im currently chilling out in a station, but i actually do remember your corp, we killed you and some freinds camp in c4c, with 1 vaga 4 ceptors, vs 3 bs + fighters other than that bring it.

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I may be mistaken, but the only killmail I can dig up was an Apoc with nothing fitted.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Just over 2 weeks ago [UDIE] was asked if we would be willing and able to disrupt operations of D2 and her allies which included IRON/FLA/etcà

After discussing the potential problems with only 4 members being active at the time we decided to still go ahead and take on the task and see what we could make of it. Expecting heavy resistance from D2 we were not hopping for much with so few members being active. Our lack of self belief was quickly swayed when the kills started to roll in and the party got started.

The first weeks results were posted and quickly locked for lack of information, we decided not to make a full post till the end of week 2. The following results of our labor was for July 15th 02:00 Eve time till July 29 02:00. By about midway of the contract vacationing killers started to come back home and our numbers swelled to a massive 7 members, which D2 and her allies obviously were not capable of out blobbing.

Assult frigs -7
Battle cruisers -3
Battleships -81
Covert Opps -3
Cruiser -28
Destroyer -2
Exhumer -3
Frigate -15
Heavy assault -4
Industrial -18
Logistics -1
Interceptor -12
Mining Barge -5
Recon -3
Transport -2
Shuttle -3

Pods -96

Losses were
Battleships -2
Interdictors -3
Interceptors -1
Frigate -1

Pods -1

We would like to thank for the excellent loot everyone donated, and would also like the eve community to know that MANY warp core stabs were harmed/lost in this conflict. And judging by our losses you can take a guess as to where the majority of them came from.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Seleene

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Originally by: The Slayer

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I love all these guys coming in and saying "Wow you guys suck, what have you done, nothing hah we rule you suck nubs hah".

They killed EIGHTY ONE battle ships. In two weeks. I have no love for BE, but I can appreciate a good op when I see one. Stop being such a**holes and give credit where its due.

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This pretty much says it all.

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No it doesnt, try setting up a roaming squad with of 5-10 people and a dictor. The north is an extremely target rich environment especially if you include in the stats every region that spans from CR to Tenal. I know because you can easily kill 5-6 battleships per night just roaming around and busting npcer/miners and people travelling.

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Explain how that invalidates the stats presented?

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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Originally by: NATMav

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Originally by: dailyhazard

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Not to derail this thread, but im currently chilling out in a station, but i actually do remember your corp, we killed you and some freinds camp in c4c, with 1 vaga 4 ceptors, vs 3 bs + fighters other than that bring it.

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I may be mistaken, but the only killmail I can dig up was an Apoc with nothing fitted.

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We often camp gates in unfitted ships. That's just how good we are.

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Originally by: dailyhazard

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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic

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Originally by: NATMav

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Originally by: dailyhazard

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Not to derail this thread, but im currently chilling out in a station, but i actually do remember your corp, we killed you and some freinds camp in c4c, with 1 vaga 4 ceptors, vs 3 bs + fighters other than that bring it.

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I may be mistaken, but the only killmail I can dig up was an Apoc with nothing fitted.

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We often camp gates in unfitted ships. That's just how good we are.

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i sent your freind a mail ingame, best not to post it here :]

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Originally by: ArcticFox

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Edited by: ArcticFox on 31/07/2006 20:32:00
I have a question, and this is entirely intended as an honest question (not a flame), because I honestly don't know. When you tally up your losses for these stat posts, are the various characters that fly alongside you who are not under the [UDIE] ticker counted as losses if they are destroyed?

I'm aware your larger ships generally stick within the actual Burn Eden corporation, but I've seen quite a few of your covert ops and tacklers sitting outside the official corp, generally in noob corps.

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Originally by: NOObbody

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AFAIK

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Originally by: Shinoobie

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Nice stats BE. You are difficult to catch. No taking anything away from you guys.

But the same stats can easily be achieved in a single night, with no stabs, with no 100km range, and no running from larger gangs. That's right, a single night, not two weeks.

More ballsy way of fighting

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Originally by: MeanStreak

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Originally by: Shinoobie

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Nice stats BE. You are difficult to catch. No taking anything away from you guys.

But the same stats can easily be achieved in a single night, with no stabs, with no 100km range, and no running from larger gangs. That's right, a single night, not two weeks.

More ballsy way of fighting

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Wow you possibly really good, but more probably really ignorant.

Just looked at IRON alliance killboard, and oddly enough 7 BURN EDEN members killed more than your ENTIRE alliance did in the same period of time, actualy ALOT MORE. While taking 1/100th of your alliance losses.

So please go teach someone how to mine or npc, cause obviously this is way above you.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: MeanStreak

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Originally by: Shinoobie

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Nice stats BE. You are difficult to catch. No taking anything away from you guys.

But the same stats can easily be achieved in a single night, with no stabs, with no 100km range, and no running from larger gangs. That's right, a single night, not two weeks.

More ballsy way of fighting

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Wow you possibly really good, but more probably really ignorant.

Just looked at IRON alliance killboard, and oddly enough 7 BURN EDEN members killed more than your ENTIRE alliance did in the same period of time, actualy ALOT MORE. While taking 1/100th of your alliance losses.

So please go teach someone how to mine or npc, cause obviously this is way above you.

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Errrr.... maybe thats because they are fighting other pvpers and have npcers among their ranks, whereas your very limited losses come from the fact you fight mostly npcers and have no npcers yourselves?

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Originally by: hired goon

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Excellent kills BE, give em hell.

Whoever was stupid enough to be caught and killed by you deserve everything they get, and then some. Infact, I will find the names of the D2 members from your board, and kill them again myself for embarassing the alliance thusly.

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Originally by: Sextus Licinius

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Originally by: hired goon

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Excellent kills BE, give em hell.

Whoever was stupid enough to be caught and killed by you deserve everything they get, and then some. Infact, I will find the names of the D2 members from your board, and kill them again myself for embarassing the alliance thusly.

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rotflmfao this post shows that BE not only disrupted D2 operations, but also delivered a major blow wrecking for internal issues ready to burst out. I mean calling your alliance members stupid in the light of these events can't be without repercursions unless they're a bunch of mindless slaves.
An alliance it is a hatchery of carebear targets among other things, I guess is a watch and learn for merc corps.
Great ration BE.

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Originally by: Sextus Licinius

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I mean calling your alliance members stupid in the light of these events can't be without repercursions unless they're a bunch of mindless slaves.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: MeanStreak

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Originally by: Shinoobie

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Nice stats BE. You are difficult to catch. No taking anything away from you guys.

But the same stats can easily be achieved in a single night, with no stabs, with no 100km range, and no running from larger gangs. That's right, a single night, not two weeks.

More ballsy way of fighting

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Wow you possibly really good, but more probably really ignorant.

Just looked at IRON alliance killboard, and oddly enough 7 BURN EDEN members killed more than your ENTIRE alliance did in the same period of time, actualy ALOT MORE. While taking 1/100th of your alliance losses.

So please go teach someone how to mine or npc, cause obviously this is way above you.

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Errrr.... maybe thats because they are fighting other pvpers and have npcers among their ranks, whereas your very limited losses come from the fact you fight mostly npcers and have no npcers yourselves?

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Everyone else is a carebear, therefore we only fight carebears.

We don't distinguish between targets, its either hostile or not. Sure we kill our fair share of npcers and miners, but at least 50% of our kills are pvp equipped ships.

So put your pitchfork away, your not fooling anyone with your lies.

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Originally by: Sextus Licinius

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Originally by: hired goon

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Excellent kills BE, give em hell.

Whoever was stupid enough to be caught and killed by you deserve everything they get, and then some. Infact, I will find the names of the D2 members from your board, and kill them again myself for embarassing the alliance thusly.

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rotflmfao this post shows that BE not only disrupted D2 operations, but also delivered a major blow wrecking for internal issues ready to burst out. I mean calling your alliance members stupid in the light of these events can't be without repercursions unless they're a bunch of mindless slaves.
An alliance it is a hatchery of carebear targets among other things, I guess is a watch and learn for merc corps.
Great ration BE.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Everyone else is a carebear, therefore we only fight carebears.

*snip*

but at least 50% of our kills are pvp equipped ships.

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Originally by: Wrangler

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...why do you people always have to verbally assault each other over things that doesn't matter anyway?

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Originally by: Hamatitio

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Nice Job guys.

If sheer K:D ratio was the determining point in this game, you guys would undoubtably control all of 0.0. Sadly, people care less about ratios and more about results in this game, which is why I feel you get flamed a lot. You never really accomplish anything other than an extremely insane K:D ratio.

But that being said, as a fellow pilot who likes ratios, I can respect what you are doing and can honestly say the universe would be much less fun without you guys around. Keep up the good work!

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Originally by: Seleene

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Originally by: Hamatitio

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Nice Job guys.

If sheer K:D ratio was the determining point in this game, you guys would undoubtably control all of 0.0. Sadly, people care less about ratios and more about results in this game, which is why I feel you get flamed a lot. You never really accomplish anything other than an extremely insane K:D ratio.

But that being said, as a fellow pilot who likes ratios, I can respect what you are doing and can honestly say the universe would be much less fun without you guys around. Keep up the good work!

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Sums up my feellings perfectly. BE will always get lots of kills and people will always hate them but, in the end, they don't really do anything that has a long term effect on most large alliances. Maybe if they kept it up for two - three months they could really push people over the edge tho...

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Originally by: Tjakka

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Well done BE nice killradio

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Originally by: Dracolich

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It sickens me to hear everytime BE kills people, that its nothing. Nothing to loose ships, nothing to loose mods, etc. Why does it count less because they do it?

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Originally by: Evelyn Exe

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Not wanting to put words into m'colleagues mouth here but the point he was making (I believe) was that its really not all that impressive numbers. We have been roaming the North for some R&R and training purposes in a small IXC gang and have got similar numbers of kills (pro rata and with a lot less time devoted to it) in a roaming op and we do not claim to be the pvp gods of eve (far from it).

We have taken more losses because we have been roaming around and taking more risks, if we see a hostile gang we think we can 50:50 take we will go for it or even pulling 80% of our gang out of the fight to get a good scrap (props to the ebil priates of Beagle corp for the mini tourney btw ).

BE have got a lot more patience and dedication than most though, that much is true.

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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The Eve player base are scared of Burn Eden and their ability to make things explode, thats why they resort to attacks on the forums instead.

Can't win on the battlefield but everyones a loser on the forums, it's comforting to take the enemy down with you.

I agree though, BE should maintain a prolonged campaign against someone to see how it really effects them.

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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I agree though, BE should maintain a prolonged campaign against someone to see how it really effects them.

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Originally by: Evelyn Exe

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A dictor bubble, some T2 torps and alt spies in surrounding systems to warn of approaching hostiles = lots of easy gank kills.

What BE do is not hard, thats the thing. It's just most players with enough SP to use tech 2 fitted BS get involved in corps with a bit more ambition/variety. Still each to their own.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Originally by: Evelyn Exe

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A dictor bubble, some T2 torps and alt spies in surrounding systems to warn of approaching hostiles = lots of easy gank kills.

What BE do is not hard, thats the thing. It's just most players with enough SP to use tech 2 fitted BS get involved in corps with a bit more ambition/variety. Still each to their own.

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Yes thats why soo many people in this game can achieve what we do...

And offcourse as always we ONLY gank, god forbid anyone should look at our kill board and see how the kills seem to come in packs, and for some reason they are all pvp fitted ships even though they are obviosly NPC'ing or minning.

Far as the ambition thing goes, we have been in charge of alliances long before most even knew how to get into 0.0. And long ago figured out that UDIE was never going to be about that, and the complete opposite as a matter of fact.

If and I do mean a big if, UDIE ever went the way of being involved in any sort of alliance I can certainly guarantee you it would be one that consists of no normal alliance crap, and mainly based on killing.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Edited by: SATAN on 04/08/2006 18:26:15

Originally by: welsh wizard

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The Eve player base are scared of Burn Eden and their ability to make things explode, thats why they resort to attacks on the forums instead.

Can't win on the battlefield but everyones a loser on the forums, it's comforting to take the enemy down with you.

I agree though, BE should maintain a prolonged campaign against someone to see how it really effects them.

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We have dont so in the past and to be honest it never turned out well for business.

When stain was all SA we moved in and lived there for about 2 months I would say, and it got to the point that they just fell appart. I will not sit here and tell you we are the sole or major reason SA fell appart, but I have no doubts we had more to do with it than anyone will acknowledge. Same can be said for some of the FE incarnations, and several other alliances.

After that we decided to make our stays shorter to make sure we dont affect anyone too much, our goals are not to destroy but to farm.

PS:> You being is Celest Apoc probably know what I mean, you guys have done your share of severly affecting alliances even though they will never admit it. But I can tell you some of the alliances you use to scare the crap out of TPS, and Ganksta Nation, and Curse. Was in everyone of those when you guys were attacking and while publicly they would never say you were a threat, privately was a very different story.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Originally by: Evelyn Exe

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A dictor bubble, some T2 torps and alt spies in surrounding systems to warn of approaching hostiles = lots of easy gank kills.

What BE do is not hard, thats the thing. It's just most players with enough SP to use tech 2 fitted BS get involved in corps with a bit more ambition/variety. Still each to their own.

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Yes thats why soo many people in this game can achieve what we do...

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Originally by: Blaxi

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Burn Eden play very good. Never saw a Raven which shoot 200km with Torpedos before. We lost 8 BS and catch only 2 Ravens from BE . We work on tactics to get them and minimise our looses :).

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Originally by: xeom

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200km with torps

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Originally by: Red Horseman

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These guys pulled this same tactic in the FAT-6P pipe against Huzzah. It was terribly effective, and we were glad to see them leave. I was unfortunate enough to catch a volley of t2 torps from two ravens while in my geddon, and let me tell you I couldn't have taken another (I ran like a *****).

You know, people whine about how underhanded and sneaky these tactics are, when what they should be doing is training torpedo and caldari battleship skills. Oh, and doing logoff/logon drills.

Hat's off to you, but I hope I never see any of you again.

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Originally by: Vasko

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Burn Eden are good at what they do no doubt, but dont get it twisted they are smart when it comes to knowing when to log and fight another day. if they even think they have a chance at a single loss they will log, snipe most the time warping out making sure no covert can warp a enemy gang on them, they will only get up in your face for a gank, sniping torps at 200km how much risk is that? so people saying counter them you know there set up, they will simply log at the first sign of trouble. BE your great at what you do but you are very far from in your face great pvp. you should be called ganksters..sad thing is most your losses only come from luck or ganks..

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Regardless the number of kills that BE achieved the fact is that the primary objective "disrupt D2+allies activities" wasn't accomplished ... during the same period that you were in there, 2 alliances in your side faded ...

I think Mercenaries can actually make a difference, IF they are where they can actually make a difference.

I've seen hired mercenaries fight in XZH where the destiny of the Goons campaign was being played.

I've seen hired mercenaries fight in EC-PR8 where the destiny of Trust Shipyards was being played.

MC was where it was supposed to be during this campaign

I saw you in the Fade region ...you were actually about 8-9 jumps from where Goons were fighting and tbh I never saw you in Deklein when POS after POS were going down, under attack by D2 + allies ...

So let me conclude, you might have lots of kills and a wonderful Kill ratio, but your actual effectiveness in this MERC Job was dam low ...while decisive battles were taking place some jumps away, you were happily killing lonely travellers à while youÆre employers were dying trying to defend their assets I never ever saw a BE guy help them on siteà

Regarding the ship kills with PVP fitments... you are right, one corp mate actually died to one of your gate camps in Fade ... He was going alone to Cloud Ring to join our fleet in XZH with a fleet setup on his Apoc... That kill must have been extremely hard

You can flame now...

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Yet for all our insignificance, all our weaknesses, predictability and ineffectiveness, we still get a 6 page thread on the forums.

I think we had more of an effect than even we realised

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Originally by: Wrangler

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...why do you people always have to verbally assault each other over things that doesn't matter anyway?

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Red Horseman

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These guys pulled this same tactic in the FAT-6P pipe against Huzzah. It was terribly effective, and we were glad to see them leave. I was unfortunate enough to catch a volley of t2 torps from two ravens while in my geddon, and let me tell you I couldn't have taken another (I ran like a *****).

You know, people whine about how underhanded and sneaky these tactics are, when what they should be doing is training torpedo and caldari battleship skills. Oh, and doing logoff/logon drills.

Hat's off to you, but I hope I never see any of you again.

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My head just grew

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Originally by: Sangxianc

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People can scream ghey and egotistic all they want, but at the end of the day these guys bring consistantly high kill/death ratios. I've only crossed paths with ex-members (POKE etc) but I was impressed when I did.

I find it hard to hate these people for being effective.

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Originally by: Dawn Princess

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Originally by: Sangxianc

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People can scream ghey and egotistic all they want, but at the end of the day these guys bring consistantly high kill/death ratios. I've only crossed paths with ex-members (POKE etc) but I was impressed when I did.

I find it hard to hate these people for being effective.

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If you have patience set out to achieve a high K:D ratio its almost impossible not to achieve it if you have even the slightest clue about what you are doing.

Cosmic Fusion, Outbreak, SAS, E-R, all of these corps and lots more besides get similar K:D ratios on their operations but at least they put their ships at risk now and again.

BE are very good at engaging in high margin, low risk pvp. In fact they are some of the best low risk pvpers out there, if not the best.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Bottom line is there is NO one in this game that can/has stood toe to toe with us on an even playing field. Everytime some one has tried they have died, plain and simple. We NEVER engage an equal numbered group at range, we get on top of them.

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Originally by: Ituralde

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What it really comes down to is they take advantage of the fact that toe to toe, there are probably VERY few pilots in EVE who can take out a Burn Eden pilot when Burn Eden chooses the nature of the fight.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Dawn Princess

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Originally by: Sangxianc

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People can scream ghey and egotistic all they want, but at the end of the day these guys bring consistantly high kill/death ratios. I've only crossed paths with ex-members (POKE etc) but I was impressed when I did.

I find it hard to hate these people for being effective.

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If you have patience set out to achieve a high K:D ratio its almost impossible not to achieve it if you have even the slightest clue about what you are doing.

Cosmic Fusion, Outbreak, SAS, E-R, all of these corps and lots more besides get similar K:D ratios on their operations but at least they put their ships at risk now and again.

BE are very good at engaging in high margin, low risk pvp. In fact they are some of the best low risk pvpers out there, if not the best.

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All those Corporations have a lot more people than us. In a contract like this, its not the ratio that matters, its the no of ships killed. Show me a corp with similar numbers that has accomplished 10% of what we have.

There are only two or three other corporations in this game that I would seriously consider as potentially dangerous when fighting. None of those corps you mentioned make that short-list.

Finally some definitions as I see it:
High-Risk PVP - Having more than 50 people in one system = lag.

Low-Risk PVP - Outnumbering your enemy by more than 5:1.

We loose ships almost every week, I don't see what is low risk about that? We have won the greatest outnumbered fight ever in this game (6vs60), I don't know whats low-risk about that?

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