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Elisabeth Dutch
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:08:00 -
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When i was mining in my bestower in Mora sec lvl 0.9 a players called Murphy2 killed me. I lost all my implants 1 miner 2 and 4 cargo exp (24,2%) And i lost 70k skillpoint. How can that, must the police not attack him. I have make a petition.
Its so said i am a miner and not a figther and stay when i mine in a high sec system. I think a quit the game.
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Chacer56
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:10:00 -
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shotgun all your stuff
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:10:00 -
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Space is not safe, moron.
You can never be safe.
Live with it or leave the game. EVE may not be for you if you quit so easily.
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Babye Cakes
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:11:00 -
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Space is not safe, moron.
You can never be safe.
Live with it or leave the game. EVE may not be for you if you quit so easily.
0.9 space.... that is a safe place....
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Elisabeth Dutch
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:13:00 -
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I play the game from the start, doint tell me that. Its a game bug the police must have got him he was in a little frigate. When i make a mistake and the kill me oke, but not of a bug.
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:14:00 -
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/fires torps
/warps
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:15:00 -
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Babye Cakes, what is "pretty" ?
Anyone can, and should be able to, kill anyuone in 1.0 sytems and below.
The difficulty should be in the chance of retribution by concord or a navy.
BUt... even in 1.0 it is possible to get away from concord...
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Babye Cakes
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:17:00 -
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what are you talking about pretty?
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Ranandor
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:17:00 -
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You should be able to kill people ANYWHERE.
It is the risk of destruction from concord that should bary according to sec. status of system.
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Hyundai
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:28:00 -
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Nicholas Marshal why dont you just shut that trap of yours
every reply of yours is worthless crap every reply u say dont like it leave yea right if that was true with every post on here then nobody would be left
you moron
" I wasnt aware of this..."
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:32:00 -
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I agree with Nick.
Frag off yourself.
The original poster was deliberately being narky about it. And what he said is true (and informative if you don't know already, it's a PvP game).
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Hyundai
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:36:00 -
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oh my golly gosh 
" I wasnt aware of this..."
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Zorael
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:38:00 -
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Bored kestrel pilots -vs- AFK miners
round 237
*fight*
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Ange Noire
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:54:00 -
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And now the question is : what the f***ing hell pleasure u can take to kill someone in hi secure space as u can bet he is not a fighter, or a skilled player ...
Is there's not enough fighting area in eve, or are they just not skilled enough to face "true" player fully armed.
Think about it.
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DeeCo
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Posted - 2003.10.07 11:58:00 -
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The reason this stuff happens is cause people and players are bored $hitless, theres nothing else to do in the mining simulator.
Kill some one, get the adrenalin rush as you try to escape.
This is also known as content addition :)
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Ange Noire
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Posted - 2003.10.07 12:05:00 -
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the reason that happen is that such ppl are to lazy/coward/moron to go where the action take place overall.
Wanna some fun ? go to claimed.
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Valeria
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Posted - 2003.10.07 12:09:00 -
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No space is safe if you're AFK.
Know that a Kestrel can easily take out any industrial with one volley. Actually any missile frigate can do that.
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DeeCo
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Posted - 2003.10.07 12:16:00 -
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You can clearly see that you haven't grasped the idea of this game.
Its a PVP, (player versus player) combat role playing game, if some one chooses to kill some one then they do it.
Security is only there as a deterant, Kudos to the guys that do the fighting in empire space.
Watch out, wont be long before im back in the cuddly land of Empire, then we'll see some of you run and hide.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.07 12:23:00 -
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"The only space you are safe in is the space you are alone in." - Molly
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
undercover
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Posted - 2003.10.07 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: undercover on 07/10/2003 12:33:49
Edited by: undercover on 07/10/2003 12:33:10
Thought the idea was to make 1.0 and 0.9 etc safe for people. If people don't want PvP they mine/wander around there.
0.0 and 0.9 etc is the 'breeding' ground for newbies to Eve. How would the numbers in Eve increase if newbies and non pvp players got podded there.
BTW (1) is Murphy2 related to Murphy who lost a battleship attacking a player in 0.8 space?
BTW (2) Nicholas Marshal thinks it is fair to steal ore from allied corp members cans...
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Aelius
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Posted - 2003.10.07 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 07/10/2003 13:01:38
If you are mining AFK (away from keyboard) anything is possible. Personaly i think 1.0 should be "given" to people who dont like pvp. They could mine and stuff but if someone attacks other in such systems that person should be prohibited to enter 1.0 systems for, lets say, 1 month. jump gates wouldn't autorize him/her do jump to 1.0 systems. I personaly like pvp but i respect others that dont.
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Zorael
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Posted - 2003.10.07 14:15:00 -
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1.0 is as safe as it can be, just like 0.0 is as unsafe as it can be.
Ultimately, your security depends on your own awareness of your surroundings.
AFK mining in 1.0 systems is like driving a car at 50 km/h on a straight and empty road during 10 seconds, with your eyes closed :
99.9% of the time, you come out unharmed.
0.1% of the time, a cow will cross the road 30 meters in front of you and you will end up with a broken car and a dead cow.
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Plim
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Posted - 2003.10.07 14:32:00 -
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0.1% of the time, a cow will cross the road 30 meters in front of you and you will end up with a broken car and a dead cow.
So thats where the name m0o came from 
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Aelius
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Posted - 2003.10.07 15:10:00 -
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Very funny
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.07 15:19:00 -
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Quote:
1.0 is as safe as it can be, just like 0.0 is as unsafe as it can be.
Ultimately, your security depends on your own awareness of your surroundings.
AFK mining in 1.0 systems is like driving a car at 50 km/h on a straight and empty road during 10 seconds, with your eyes closed :
99.9% of the time, you come out unharmed.
0.1% of the time, a cow will cross the road 30 meters in front of you and you will end up with a broken car and a dead cow.
Car travelling 50 mph meets stationary bovine. From eyewitness accounts you'll be lucky if anything, including you, survives. They found the driver (and the seat he was in) 30 feet off in a tree.
Otherwise, pretty good analogy
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.10.07 15:35:00 -
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Oh come on! You were AFK mining with a miner II and implants? That is insane!!! Not quite a Darwin award, but close... That miner II alone is worth more than a fully kitted-out Kestrel including cruise missiles and market modules. Any pirate with a ship scanner is going to throw away a Kestrel just for a Miner II, and have a mate around to pick up your AND his loot after (or just run back to the stn for a noob ship to pick up your miner II).
People FYI, if you are dedicated to AFK mining, do as many do: Make an alt (no cost basic clone), train them to Bestower 2, mining 3 and Afterburner 2. Send them out in a Bestower with a miner 1, basic expanders and afterburner 1s. Leave them there for the long while it'll take to fill up. Come back later, dock em.
Always when you go AFK for anything, but especially mining, ask yourself "is the money I'm going to make doing this worth the risk of me being killed and podded?".
Now that I'm up in the 500K clone range, I've realized that an indy load of Plag/Pyro just isn't worth risking my main. If I had an implant, you're damned right I definitely wouldn't be AFKing....
BW
PS. Damn, didn't notice at first you also had 24% expanders on that thing. So this rat *maybe* lost a Kestrel, and got maybe 7-9 mil worth of loot? Dude , it is too bad you didn't have some advice from someone who knew the game...
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Zanadulia
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Posted - 2003.10.07 15:35:00 -
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more of this nonscense of the game is ment to be only pvp, pvp is all it should be....
NOWHERE on the box does it say that, not anywhere on the site (other then pi55y little kiddys in the forum) pvp is an aspect of eve, not its sole intent.
only reason some kill, is to ruin the game for others, if its the thrill of a fight they want, go to 0.0 space in stain, or some other alliance controlled spot, and attack someone. declare war on a corp, open game between the corps anywhere then, no worry of concord retaliation then either.
gate camping is not pvp
station camping is not pvp
4-10 ships attacking a single frigate then pod killing is not pvp
exploitation of the jackedup code is not pvp
if it is pure pvp you are after, quit eve, go play another game, there are many for pvp only purposes.
Eve has far more to it then some of the 'slow and special people' can understand.
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Spaja Saist
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Posted - 2003.10.07 16:55:00 -
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Uh, nowhere in the original post did he say he was AFK mining. Before you flame you should get your facts straight.
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.10.07 16:57:00 -
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And now the question is : what the f***ing hell pleasure u can take to kill someone in hi secure space as u can bet he is not a fighter, or a skilled player ...
Is there's not enough fighting area in eve, or are they just not skilled enough to face "true" player fully armed.
Think about it.
Oh, I do both, and killing an afk miner and getting 15m in cargo expanders is every bit as thrilling as knocking out a BS.
It's almost impossible to kill someone in high-security space if they're paying attention or at a gate/station.
So, either pay attention or don't go to asteroid fields.
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.10.07 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: undercover on 07/10/2003 12:33:49
Edited by: undercover on 07/10/2003 12:33:10
Thought the idea was to make 1.0 and 0.9 etc safe for people. If people don't want PvP they mine/wander around there.
0.0 and 0.9 etc is the 'breeding' ground for newbies to Eve. How would the numbers in Eve increase if newbies and non pvp players got podded there.
BTW (1) is Murphy2 related to Murphy who lost a battleship attacking a player in 0.8 space?
BTW (2) Nicholas Marshal thinks it is fair to steal ore from allied corp members cans...
I, and others that I pirate in 1.0s with, make an effort *not* to attack newbies. There's no profit there and no point in chasing people off the game.
Also, a percentage of my AFK miner killing income goes towards equipping noobs I find in corp chat when I'm on my alt with well-configured ships.
So.
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.07 17:09:00 -
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Hittin afk miners in a actually very profatable. Just take a scanner see if the have a nice expander/laser and then take it.
This only works with n00b ships that concord dont come.
so really it does take 2 mins 2 kill someone. So if you go afk with all that hear on you deserve it for being stupid. |
Zorael
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Posted - 2003.10.07 18:23:00 -
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Uh, nowhere in the original post did he say he was AFK mining. Before you flame you should get your facts straight.
Just try filling an indy fitted with 24% cargo expanders with 1 mining laser, and when you're done, look me straight in the eyes and say you didn't go afk once.
Jash : it was 50 km/h not mph. 'round where I live, most cows are not hardened enough to dismantle a car which would hit 'em at such a low velocity
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Elisabeth Dutch
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Posted - 2003.10.07 18:50:00 -
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I forgot to tell that i lost all my implants. GM Q told me that i must defend meself and the not give my goods back.
Well oke if thats the game. I quit and cancel my account 12-10-2003. I played from the start this game and love it, but if a new player **** moths of hard work oke, but i quit then. And to all PVP i say whats the fun to kill a sleeping baby. I think you do that when you are very greedy.
Well good luck all.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.07 19:03:00 -
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Easy way to smack people around in 1.0 space as posted by someone in another thread:
1 kestrel with cruises (plus agent who raises sec level).
1 friend in a pod.
Kestrel tests for afk miners by locking and scanning the ship for modules for decent value.
This will bring a response from people who aren't afk.
They just wait for someone to not respond!
If there's no response, they can move away a little bit and fire off 3 or 4 cruise missiles which should be enough to kill an indy.
They immediately eject from the ship to stop CONCORD destroying the indy.
Friend in pod boards the ship, zooms in to pick up the loot, and they both go back to station.
They can then use an agent to give his sec level a boost back up.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.10.07 19:09:00 -
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Well I played from late beta,and never repaet never was even attacked in secure space while mining.On other hand I never played AFK.
I wrote this to tell you secure space is really secure.Its just in 95% secure.So if you play afk,you spend a hell lot of time in game and the propability of being hit in secure space gets much bigger.
Elisabeth ,I think its totaly ok from devs and game mechanics ,it how it was meant to be.
And of you lost that much,I am sorry ,but also in my opinion you should blame yourself.If I would ever mine afk ,I would do it in indy with miner 1 and basic expanders,no expensive stuff.It was just a totall lack of imagination from your part in my opinion.
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Posted - 2003.10.07 19:15:00 -
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Easy way to smack people around in 1.0 space as posted by someone in another thread:
1 kestrel with cruises (plus agent who raises sec level).
1 friend in a pod.
Kestrel tests for afk miners by locking and scanning the ship for modules for decent value.
This will bring a response from people who aren't afk.
They just wait for someone to not respond!
If there's no response, they can move away a little bit and fire off 3 or 4 cruise missiles which should be enough to kill an indy.
They immediately eject from the ship to stop CONCORD destroying the indy.
Friend in pod boards the ship, zooms in to pick up the loot, and they both go back to station.
They can then use an agent to give his sec level a boost back up.
I am not sure this ejection thingy is working. My Ibis got destroyed anyway as I ejected.
Furthermore, if it would work, it would be an exploit for sure (according to CCP).
GM policy on attacks in 1.0 is: If you survive CONCORD being the agressor, then you are an exploiter.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.07 20:58:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
Easy way to smack people around in 1.0 space as posted by someone in another thread:
1 kestrel with cruises (plus agent who raises sec level).
1 friend in a pod.
Kestrel tests for afk miners by locking and scanning the ship for modules for decent value.
This will bring a response from people who aren't afk.
They just wait for someone to not respond!
If there's no response, they can move away a little bit and fire off 3 or 4 cruise missiles which should be enough to kill an indy.
They immediately eject from the ship to stop CONCORD destroying the indy.
Friend in pod boards the ship, zooms in to pick up the loot, and they both go back to station.
They can then use an agent to give his sec level a boost back up.
I am not sure this ejection thingy is working. My Ibis got destroyed anyway as I ejected.
Furthermore, if it would work, it would be an exploit for sure (according to CCP).
GM policy on attacks in 1.0 is: If you survive CONCORD being the agressor, then you are an exploiter.
Then do it in 0.9 and below
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.10.07 21:19:00 -
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what the f***ing hell pleasure u can take to kill someone in hi secure space
Your answer is right here:
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I lost all my implants 1 miner 2 and 4 cargo exp (24,2%) And i lost 70k skillpoint
-1x miner 2 = 5,000,000 isk
-4x 24% ce's = what? maybe 10,000,000 isk?
-70k skill points? should keep your clone updated
-all implants? WTF were you doing AFK mining with implants?
Sounds worth spending ~300k on a kestrel and some missles to me...
This guy has obviously been around long enough to know that mining in an indy is a) inefficient and b) dangerous.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.10.07 22:09:00 -
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Bottom line is if you go AFK you are risking everything.
Having said that there is something brought up by this that I don't like - there are several ways of killing someone that almost guarantee that you will pod someone. Massive smartbomb attack is one, missile deluge being another. Personally I think it should be extremely hard to pod someone (semi-) accidently. I'd prefer it if pods got ejected a few km out of range of a smartbomb and splash damage. If you actually want to pod someone it won't save them (possibly the opposite if they're running for a gate or station) but it'll stop the auto-poddings that currently happen extremely frequently.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.10.07 22:27:00 -
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0.9 space should be relative safe and a criminal shouldnt be able to get away alive doing a crime like murder there.
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Othnark
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Posted - 2003.10.07 22:32:00 -
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Thought the idea was to make 1.0 and 0.9 etc safe for people. If people don't want PvP they mine/wander around there.
0.0 and 0.9 etc is the 'breeding' ground for newbies to Eve. How would the numbers in Eve increase if newbies and non pvp players got podded there.
Uhh newbies dont buy indies and sit around afk mining. I constantly see high member corps doing this etc... please dont argue to make the nebies safe.
If anything noobs have a better chance of being safe because they wont be afk and will run at the first sign of trouble. IE scanner threat popup
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Masi
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Posted - 2003.10.07 22:45:00 -
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Indy ships are not ment for mining and having massive armour to withstand an attack. There ment for hauling goods and because there so big and slow, they are vunrable. AFK mine in a Battleship of something if u want to be safe
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.10.07 22:55:00 -
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0.0 and 0.9 etc is the 'breeding' ground for newbies to Eve. How would the numbers in Eve increase if newbies and non pvp players got podded there.
Please point me to the distribution centre that hands out miner 2's, 24% cargo expanders and implants to noobs, because I have obviously missed it.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Die Harpie
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Posted - 2003.10.07 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Die Harpie on 07/10/2003 23:09:45
No where, at any time, did he ever say he was AFK mining. You just all assumed that becuase he was in an industrial.
And that 'you in a ship and a friend in a POD thing' is definetly an exploit. Don't care what wah wah PVP game, deal with, can I have yor stuff, agrument you come up with it on it either. It clearly fits the definition of an exploit based on CCP's EULA (even Sally said so).
And yet another griefing exploiter lowers the count of players in the game. Good job people.
Die Harpie
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.10.08 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sc0rpion on 08/10/2003 01:38:50
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No where, at any time, did he ever say he was AFK mining. You just all assumed that becuase he was in an industrial.
True, but if you can think of another reason to mine in an industrial in a 0.9 system when he quite obviously could have afforded to be in something better, I would like to hear it.
Better yet, let's hear it directly from the horse's mouth.
Elisabeth, why were you mining in an industrial ship?
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.08 02:19:00 -
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I'd like to see those cowards actually work some for their loot by challenging claimed space out in the big 0.0, hitting their miners, where people actually suit up to fight them, this isn't PvP this is PK.
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Serge
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Posted - 2003.10.08 11:23:00 -
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Though I spit on these player-terrorists, they do bring in info about certain game flaws like Concord.
And tbh - which miner in a 1.0 / 0.9 system scans his surrounding as much as in low-sec thinking himself save! Exactly - noone!
We know how fast an indy can be taken out by a kestrel - 1 salvo!
Chance to react for a bored miner? Imo its approx 0.1-1% chance to react. Why ? see above!
So, whats wrong here? The approach of player terrorists? Wont say wrong but what can one epect of those creatures? Everything!
Then it must be the response of the victim? Hm, as stated above the chance of victim to escape this situation is lousy.
Ok, how should the lone miner in SECURE EMPIRE SPACE be guarded??
Obviously Concord is not able to.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2003.10.08 11:38:00 -
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im sorry about your loss but you will have to learn and move on.
Sadly EvE has come to cater for the PK griefers who think what they are doing is PvP.
A person who states you should be allowed to PK ANYWHERE is diging this games grave. Its only sad that the developers from CCP are unable to deal with the problem with those players.
Now, I know the box promises PvP anbd that is fine but what you dolts keep asking for is easy PK griefing, PvP includes a challenge, 2 BB's praying on an industrial is NO challenge, especially if the industrial is AFK.
Not that I like AFK miners or bot players but 1.0 and 0.9 should be PvP free, a place where newbies can learn the game and where old players who have taken a hard beating can recouperate.
I think its very sad but I belive that if nothing is done about this random PK griefing soon then EvE will be doomed and I will not be able to play as the server shuts down.
So PLEASE CCP (not like they are reading this but...) make 1.0 and 0.9 PvP free.
On a footnote: I spend 99% of my time in 0.0 so dont bother with the slander :)
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