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Answering Questions
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.07 14:55:00 -
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Disclaimer: I like EVE. I've only been playing for a week or so now, but I think it's quite interesting.
I was attracted to EVE because of the sandbox nature of the game and that everyone kept saying "you can do anything!".
However, once I got into the game, I was notified by most players that while you can do "anything", a lot of it isn't very fun.
For example:
-- Mining. Recommended as a nice way to make ISK as a new player, but almost everyone I talk to in game finds it boring.
-- Hauling. Okay way to make ISK. Not very fun according to most players.
-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). Takes too long to train for a new player to make ISK.
-- PVE (ratting?). Not very good way to make ISK. Decent fun.
My question then is...what is fun for the majority of players? Again, I'm making the distinction between "fun for some" and "fun for most".
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4546
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Posted - 2014.09.07 14:58:00 -
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I tried my hand at a bit of everything before I realised what was fun for me. What's fun for me may or may not be fun for you, so I recommend doing the same: explore your options. On the other hand, you've signed on for a PVP game, yet I don't see PVP offered in the list of things to do. Strange, since that's the core feature of the game. Anyway, don't forget to add that to your list of things to try, welcome to EVE, and good luck. Hit me up in game if you need isk and I'll see what I can steal for you.
You may also find this useful. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Answering Questions
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:02:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I tried my hand at a bit of everything before I realised what was fun for me. What's fun for me may or may not be fun for you, so I recommend doing the same: explore your options. On the other hand, you've signed on for a PVP game, yet I don't see PVP offered in the list of things to do. Strange, since that's the core feature of the game. Anyway, don't forget to add that to your list of things to try, welcome to EVE, and good luck. Hit me up in game if you need isk and I'll see what I can steal for you.
Well that's my point in a roundabout sort of way.
Is PVP the only thing that's fun for the majority of players in this game?
I have no problem with that. I've always wanted to try something along the lines of smuggling/transporting goods or the such. But most people in rookie chat advised me it wasn't fun and to stay away from it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:07:00 -
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SoGǪ I can't help noticing that you're talking a lot more about ISK than about fun. Is there a reason for that? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4546
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:07:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I tried my hand at a bit of everything before I realised what was fun for me. What's fun for me may or may not be fun for you, so I recommend doing the same: explore your options. On the other hand, you've signed on for a PVP game, yet I don't see PVP offered in the list of things to do. Strange, since that's the core feature of the game. Anyway, don't forget to add that to your list of things to try, welcome to EVE, and good luck. Hit me up in game if you need isk and I'll see what I can steal for you. Well that's my point in a roundabout sort of way. Is PVP the only thing that's fun for the majority of players in this game? I have no problem with that. I've always wanted to try something along the lines of smuggling/transporting goods or the such. But most people in rookie chat advised me it wasn't fun and to stay away from it.
And you're gonna let a bunch of rookies tell you what's fun? Let me reiterate: I'm not going to tell you what you find fun. That's up to you. I can only tell you what's available to do, and you have to go do it and see what you enjoy. If you're letting other people tell you what's fun, then you're only restricting yourself in the sandbox, and you probably won't have much fun.
Also, when I say PVP, I mean getting in a frigate, putting some guns, tank and tackle on it, and blapping some fool that looks at you funny. None of this pansy hauling/smuggling crap, although that is PVP too since everything that happens in EVE happens in a PVP environment. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
10782
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:07:00 -
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Personally I enjoy mining.. just as exploring, it feels to me like a caper where I am stealing things and getting away with them.
That said, I've never been more thrilled than during a roam and shooting at random people (and more often being shot at by them). Planning a highsec gank is also an interesting exercise.. way more exciting than shooting at a rock (it still won't make me stop shooting at rocks, because.. variety).
But more than these things, to me the most interesting part of EVE is the person to person interactions. No other "profession" in EVE has more impact or projection than the person who knows how to interact with others. Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~-áAnd when the seasons change ~-áWill you stand by me? ~ |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1196
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:10:00 -
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EVE doesn't have boring gameplay, just boring people.
Missions are a possible exception to this. [witty image] - Stream |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4546
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:11:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:EVE doesn't have boring gameplay, just boring people.
Missions are a possible exception to this.
Can I just add that you haven't played EVE Online until you've played Ship Spinning Online. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

William Ruben
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
33
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:20:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote: But most people in rookie chat
Think I found your problem. |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2817
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:23:00 -
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you don't have to pick. try everything. stick with what is fun for you. Usually you end up doing several things, not doing one thing all the time. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |

Anomylous
Veni Vid Vici
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:23:00 -
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A better sentence would be "you can do 'anything' that you want to do".
You have to create your own content - and not necessarily follow some of the predetermined paths. Right now I'm on a interceptor explorer, roaming nullbear and enjoying both the visual's of the galaxy (I even created a special playlist to go along with it) and the tears of nullbear resident's that don't like when a ship with 2 small turrets and no warp scramb steps on their lawn. That's what is "fun" for me right now.
So, what do you want to do?
P.S (PvE Missions L4 do give a lot of money) |

Answering Questions
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:23:00 -
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Thanks for all the answers.
Then is hauling fun? Any recommended resources on hauling? Why was the general opinion on it as being "boring"? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24486
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:25:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote:Thanks for all the answers.
Then is hauling fun? Any recommended resources on hauling? Why was the general opinion on it as being "boring"? Do you enjoy Euro Trucker 2? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Anomylous
Veni Vid Vici
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:26:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote:Thanks for all the answers.
Then is hauling fun? Any recommended resources on hauling? Why was the general opinion on it as being "boring"?
Forget the general opinion.
Do you think it is boring? Hauling items up and down in the galaxy?
Explore all your options and ask yourself this same question for each. |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4547
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:31:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote:Thanks for all the answers.
Then is hauling fun? Any recommended resources on hauling? Why was the general opinion on it as being "boring"?
Because I'm feeling quite patient tonight, I'll explain this one more time.
Try it, and find out for yourself if you think it's fun.
Any more of this "tell me what's fun" nonsense and I'll know you're a troll and start returning the favour. I've been getting really good at it lately, watch.
When it comes to what's fun in EVE, it's all a matter of preference.
I accept that other people have different preferences. Even when those preferences include facial tattoos and stretch pants constructed from sufficient material to shelter a small village. And their livestock. Some men enjoy dancing with other men without their tops on while others prefer the company of a woman two KFC family buckets away from upsetting the planet's rotational axis.
I read somewhere that Eskimos prefer women of girth as it provides warmth at night. I have seen the size of those igloos though and there is no way your mum would make it through the opening. You could probably just construct one around her and despite the hassle of having to trudge out into the snow every day to catch and prepare the eighty seals required to maintain her mass, it would be like a kiln in there.
Anyway, as a result of that acceptance of everyone having a personal preference, I'm not going to tell you what you prefer. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4547
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Answering Questions wrote:Thanks for all the answers.
Then is hauling fun? Any recommended resources on hauling? Why was the general opinion on it as being "boring"? Do you enjoy Euro Trucker 2?
The original was better....
The original is ALWAYS better. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |

Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
430
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:34:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote:Thanks for all the answers.
Then is hauling fun? Any recommended resources on hauling? Why was the general opinion on it as being "boring"?
GL getting into hauling as a new player. You can hang out in the channel called "haulers channel" and watch the multitudes of courier contracts up for grabs. You'll notice right away that people want you to put up like 1 billion isk collateral for a 10 million isk reward. I kid you not, have a look for yourself.
I find pvp to be the most fun for me, although I also enjoy making money in a varierty of ways. For a younger toon mining really is probably the best isk you can make. But running lvl 1 and 2 combat missions will get your feet wet and get you used to flying your combat ships, just be aware that there are some big differences between pvp and pve content.
Exploring relic and data sites can pay well once u get out of hisec. Trading can make you a LOT of money, as well.
GL hope u find your niche, keep with it and I'm sure you will. 
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
920
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:34:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote:Disclaimer: I like EVE. I've only been playing for a week or so now, but I think it's quite interesting.
I was attracted to EVE because of the sandbox nature of the game and that everyone kept saying "you can do anything!".
However, once I got into the game, I was notified by most players that while you can do "anything", a lot of it isn't very fun.
For example:
-- Mining. Recommended as a nice way to make ISK as a new player, but almost everyone I talk to in game finds it boring.
-- Hauling. Okay way to make ISK. Not very fun according to most players.
-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). Takes too long to train for a new player to make ISK.
-- PVE (ratting?). Not very good way to make ISK. Decent fun.
My question then is...what is fun for the majority of players? Again, I'm making the distinction between "fun for some" and "fun for most".
I don;t know what you are talking about. My fav thing sin eve are often what people call 'boring' i love mining, i have a love hate relationship with setting up and running pos' and i have a love hate relationship with being a ceo/alliance head.
Mining though, was and always will be my first love in eve.
[/quote] OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24486
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:36:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Tippia wrote:Answering Questions wrote:Thanks for all the answers.
Then is hauling fun? Any recommended resources on hauling? Why was the general opinion on it as being "boring"? Do you enjoy Euro Trucker 2? The original was better.... The original is ALWAYS better. I just wish the Dutch weren't so sneaky with their speed cameras. What, do they expect me to pay off their national debt or something?  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
920
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:36:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote:Thanks for all the answers.
Then is hauling fun? Any recommended resources on hauling? Why was the general opinion on it as being "boring"?
hauling is one of thouse things that you don;t need to be at the keys for. it can be quite dull. but if you want to do hauling, you might want to look into joining a mining corp and helping out in mining ops. unless things changed, they love hauler. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |

Anndy
The Evocati
95
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:42:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote:Disclaimer: I like EVE. I've only been playing for a week or so now, but I think it's quite interesting.
I was attracted to EVE because of the sandbox nature of the game and that everyone kept saying "you can do anything!".
However, once I got into the game, I was notified by most players that while you can do "anything", a lot of it isn't very fun.
For example:
-- Mining. Recommended as a nice way to make ISK as a new player, but almost everyone I talk to in game finds it boring.
-- Hauling. Okay way to make ISK. Not very fun according to most players.
-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). Takes too long to train for a new player to make ISK.
-- PVE (ratting?). Not very good way to make ISK. Decent fun.
My question then is...what is fun for the majority of players? Again, I'm making the distinction between "fun for some" and "fun for most".
these days the only fun is trying to screw over as many people as possible |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13006
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:52:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote:
-- Mining. R¦¦e¦¦c¦¦o¦¦m¦¦m¦¦e¦¦n¦¦d¦¦e¦¦d¦¦ ¦¦a¦¦s¦¦ ¦¦a¦¦ ¦¦n¦¦i¦¦c¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦w¦¦a¦¦y¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦o¦¦ ¦¦m¦¦a¦¦k¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦I¦¦S¦¦K¦¦ ¦¦a¦¦s¦¦ ¦¦a¦¦ ¦¦n¦¦e¦¦w¦¦ ¦¦p¦¦l¦¦a¦¦y¦¦e¦¦r¦¦,¦¦ ¦¦b¦¦u¦¦t¦¦ ¦¦a¦¦l¦¦m¦¦o¦¦s¦¦t¦¦ ¦¦e¦¦v¦¦e¦¦r¦¦y¦¦o¦¦n¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦I¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦a¦¦l¦¦k¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦o¦¦ ¦¦i¦¦n¦¦ ¦¦g¦¦a¦¦m¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦f¦¦i¦¦n¦¦d¦¦s¦¦ ¦¦i¦¦t¦¦ ¦¦b¦¦o¦¦r¦¦i¦¦n¦¦g¦¦. You were lied to, it is not a good way of making isk.
-- Hauling. O¦¦k¦¦a¦¦y¦¦ ¦¦w¦¦a¦¦y¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦o¦¦ ¦¦m¦¦a¦¦k¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦I¦¦S¦¦K¦¦.¦¦ ¦¦ ¦¦N¦¦o¦¦t¦¦ ¦¦v¦¦e¦¦r¦¦y¦¦ ¦¦f¦¦u¦¦n¦¦ ¦¦a¦¦c¦¦c¦¦o¦¦r¦¦d¦¦i¦¦n¦¦g¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦o¦¦ ¦¦m¦¦o¦¦s¦¦t¦¦ ¦¦p¦¦l¦¦a¦¦y¦¦e¦¦r¦¦s¦¦. It can be very much fun but have to enjoy that kind of thing. It can be very good isk.
-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). T¦¦a¦¦k¦¦e¦¦s¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦o¦¦o¦¦ ¦¦l¦¦o¦¦n¦¦g¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦o¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦r¦¦a¦¦i¦¦n¦¦ ¦¦f¦¦o¦¦r¦¦ ¦¦a¦¦ ¦¦n¦¦e¦¦w¦¦ ¦¦p¦¦l¦¦a¦¦y¦¦e¦¦r¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦o¦¦ ¦¦m¦¦a¦¦k¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦I¦¦S¦¦K¦¦. You can get into it right away but like any business you have to start at the bottom and work at it.
-- PVE (ratting?). N¦¦o¦¦t¦¦ ¦¦v¦¦e¦¦r¦¦y¦¦ ¦¦g¦¦o¦¦o¦¦d¦¦ ¦¦w¦¦a¦¦y¦¦ ¦¦t¦¦o¦¦ ¦¦m¦¦a¦¦k¦¦e¦¦ ¦¦I¦¦S¦¦K¦¦.¦¦ ¦¦ ¦¦D¦¦e¦¦c¦¦e¦¦n¦¦t¦¦ ¦¦f¦¦u¦¦n¦¦. Very wrong. The vast bulk of people fund their pvp with high sec mission income. It is good isk and if you find it fun go do that.
My question then is...what is fun for the majority of players? Again, I'm making the distinction between "fun for some" and "fun for most".
I find my fun in getting battleships to do things most think impossible and experimenting with fits near all else would never try. You need to find what is fun for you, a good start would be to join one of the new player friendly groups such as Red vs Blue or Brave newbies.
Also I assume you got all of the above info from an NPC corp, don't do that. For the most part NPC corp advice is terrible. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy
148
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:52:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote:Disclaimer: I like EVE. I've only been playing for a week or so now, but I think it's quite interesting.
I was attracted to EVE because of the sandbox nature of the game and that everyone kept saying "you can do anything!".
However, once I got into the game, I was notified by most players that while you can do "anything", a lot of it isn't very fun.
For example:
-- Mining. Recommended as a nice way to make ISK as a new player, but almost everyone I talk to in game finds it boring.
-- Hauling. Okay way to make ISK. Not very fun according to most players.
-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). Takes too long to train for a new player to make ISK.
-- PVE (ratting?). Not very good way to make ISK. Decent fun.
My question then is...what is fun for the majority of players? Again, I'm making the distinction between "fun for some" and "fun for most".
I'm not really sure how anybody could expect to find fun doing these things, which imho are some of the worst things one could do in game.
Certainly making isk is a necessary part of the game, and the idea is to select the least awful and most efficient way to do so.
EVE at heart is a PEE VEE PEE game, the fun is in the hunting and killing of people. Whether your a small gang hunter, a sooper capital killer, an FW plex hunter, fleet commander, solo hunter, mission runner hunter, tournament killer etc etc... thats where the fun is.
Stalking, scanning, fleet marshalling, soldiering, spying, sabotaging, politcking, there's a myriad of ways anyone including a new player can get involved in the "fun" of killing people.
Eve is not about talking to some npc who tells you to run over and gather abunch of useless stuff and then run over to some other guy to drop it off to do the next mundane task. Eve is about killing people, get to the business of killing people and start having "fun".
Best adivice I can give is to find a good corp/group of people to take you in and show you the ropes. Sometimes finding the right group of people is time consuming, frustrating and difficult to do but, once you do, you'll know. It'll be evident by your elevated heart levels, your pounding pulse, and maybe a shaky hand.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4702
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:53:00 -
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Answering Questions wrote: But most people in rookie chat
Disregard whatever those Heathens advised
Answering Questions wrote: Is PVP the only thing that's fun for the majority of players in this game?
in time you will see its the only thing in EVE =][= |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1197
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Posted - 2014.09.07 17:08:00 -
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Yogsoloth wrote:the fun is in the hunting and killing of people Literally telling other people what is fun. Worse than ******. [witty image] - Stream |

Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy
148
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Posted - 2014.09.07 17:19:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Yogsoloth wrote:the fun is in the hunting and killing of people Literally telling other people what is fun. Worse than ******.
The OP did ask whats fun in this game, perhaps you're reading comprehension is "Worse than ******." Have fun... exploring and I'll have fun fun killing explorers. |

Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy
148
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Posted - 2014.09.07 17:27:00 -
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Yogsoloth wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Yogsoloth wrote:the fun is in the hunting and killing of people Literally telling other people what is fun. Worse than ******. The OP did ask whats fun in this game, perhaps you're reading comprehension is "Worse than ******." Have fun... exploring and I'll have fun hunting and killing explorers.
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Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
261
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Posted - 2014.09.07 17:34:00 -
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this pic may help you decide where your interests may lie. there's really so much to do in eve, and it may take a while of trying lots of things out before you find your path, but i guarantee you'll find something that draws your interest. eve online original intro
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2014.09.07 18:22:00 -
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It took me a while to figure out what EvE sandbox actually means ... playing kind of space chess, setting own goals of achievement, plotting and executing plans to outsmart your opponents, solo or in group using the almost endless possibilities combining the tools (environment, ships, modules, ...) to your advantage in a certain situation. Yes, it's a lot of theory crafting, getting intel and loosing ships failing or getting outsmarted yourself - but it's fun . I'm my own NPC alt. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1197
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Posted - 2014.09.07 18:23:00 -
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Yogsoloth wrote:The OP did ask whats fun in this game, perhaps you're reading comprehension is "Worse than ******." ****** wrote a book, he could probably read pretty well.
And if you'd read, you'd see that letting other people tell you what is/isn't fun being fully ******** was covered on page 1. [witty image] - Stream |
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