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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.09.07 21:05:00 -
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Before you all grab your already overused pitchforks can we not use this lopsided small batched graph to ask CCP for more data to be released?
CCP Fozzie could do an amazing blog with all the WH data they have i am sure, but why would he want to with the level of hate that has been on these forums lately. |
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Posted - 2014.09.07 22:56:00 -
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corbexx wrote:CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA
It is only NDA at their whim. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.09.07 23:08:00 -
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Mister Tuggles wrote:Winthorp wrote:corbexx wrote:CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA It is only NDA at their whim. It is NDA because they know Hyperion was a failure of a release, and they don't like admitting they are wrong.
Keep grasping at your pitchfork man, it's comments like this that are the reason they would have no incentive to release them.
The majority of you would spin any data to your already pre conceived conclusion about Hyperion. |
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Posted - 2014.09.07 23:18:00 -
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corbexx wrote:Winthorp wrote:corbexx wrote:CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA It is only NDA at their whim. Its NDA cos its on the csm forum area. If it wasnt for the fact CCP Fozzie said he had got some data already I wouldn't even be able to say that much. Which really sucks. Hopefully I'll be able to say more soon, as I really dont like hiding stuff behind NDA.
Yeah that's my point though, nobody expects a CSM to be able to release it without approval. Am only asking CCP Fozzie to do the blog he said he might be able to come up with when he spoke at townhall. |
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:09:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Mister Tuggles wrote:
1 + 1 = 2
Pre-Hyperion cap kills vs post hyperion cap kills = numbers are down.
Don't know how you can spin the truth. Maybe make it a super truth? Better yet, spin it into cotton candy.
Learn statistics. You have an inconclusive sample without any dataset to compare it to for annual trends. It shows a possible trend in that there is a drop that occurs at the same time as Hyperion. But without the previous years data sets, as well as data through the year we can't show if the trend is actually going to continue, or if the previous few weeks to Hyperion were in fact the exception and post Hyperion we have simply returned to the lower average value We also don't know how much of this is actually due to the mechanics, and how much is due to player rage causing them to simply not even try regardless of the actual mechanics impact. In short, insufficient data to make any meaningful conclusions.
At least this guy gets it. |
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Posted - 2014.09.08 04:02:00 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Winthorp wrote:CCP Fozzie could do an amazing blog with all the WH data they have i am sure, but why would he want to with the level of hate that has been on these forums lately. Because if CCP had numbers that refuted the naysayers they'd release them in a heartbeat ... and the protests would come to an end (other than Dinsdale types of course) because the vast majority of players want Eve and CCP to succeed. If numbers are truly down then hopefully CCP will change course, or be right in their belief that the short term pain will be worth it in the long run.
Actually not the case at all, we have been whining for a long time that nobody mines in WH space in the numbers they used to and they could have refuted us at any point on that and CCP Fozzie only used it as a reference point in the WH Townhall.
I think they are quite happy ignoring idiots. |
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Posted - 2014.09.08 07:04:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:
i too would love to see a CCP blog regarding this but the reality is this is unlikely to happen if the numbers make them look bad which is pretty understandable tbh.
out of interest, what you you expect these numbers to show?
So your in the "CCP won't show us stats we must be right club".... Check. Get yo pitchfork ready
Unlike others i don't want graphs to prove how much of a failure Hyperion was to force them to do a roll back. The data may indeed suggest that WH space has been in freefall since Hyperion and may show some of the changes were too drastic.
But in the end even if they show WH space has seen a decline in activity i would hope they wouldn't roll it back and instead buff low class site income to be the drawcard to bring people in like it should have been done with Hyperion.
We have asked for more Data on WH space since the Two Step days where there was the whole debate over low class WH's shouldn't be allowed large towers and we did indeed get some data from CCP. I would like to see more graphs and data from CCP about WH's not just about the whole Hyperion debate though, i just like shiny graphs TBH. |
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Posted - 2014.09.08 07:08:00 -
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Mister Tuggles wrote:
1 + 1 = 2
Pre-Hyperion cap kills vs post hyperion cap kills = numbers are down.
Don't know how you can spin the truth. Maybe make it a super truth? Better yet, spin it into cotton candy.
Sure lets take a months worth of Data and ignore years worth of the same cap kills and ignore every other subcap class ship and all the other WH class's that are not cap capable to roll. 
You need to math harder or i need to count like you.... 1+6-2x2=2? Right? |
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:54:00 -
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corbexx wrote:
yes I can certainly ask that.
Sure ask, but when they have said several times they don't look at comparatives between WH,LS,null and incursion ISK levels to make decisions it kinda becomes a mute point and a waste of what data we could get.
I have for a long time said income in low end WH's is pathetic and needs a buff but the old whining about you can make more in incursions and lvl 4's in HS falls on deaf ears with CCP and won't help us. |
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Posted - 2014.09.08 22:00:00 -
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Some useful data points: And note i think we need at least two years of graphed data.
 Force fields active broken up by WH class
Capital losses broken up by those with and without sleepers on KM's and further broken up by WH class
Subcap losses broken up by those with and without sleepers on KM's and further broken up by WH class
Ore mined in WH space, again broken up by WH class
Gas mined in WH space, again broken up by WH class
Industry jobs ran in WH space again broken up by WH class
Planetary Interaction data broken up by WH class
The amount of WH's spawned broken up per class, if possible to further break it up from those that have player interaction.
The amount of towers killed in WH space again broken up by class (Previously this data was released and showed more sieges in C2 WH's)
The amount of jumps recorded in the frig WH's and the amount of jumps recorded in WH's in same systems as the frig WH
The amount of jumps recorded in WH space broken up by WH class
A graph showing the most used ships in PVP losses in WH space. (I am aware it would be T3's but its after the T3's i am interested in)
The amount of hauler jumps recorded. Not broken up by WH class
The amount of active EVE accounts the have characters logged out in WH space and LS,Null space broken up by WH class
Sleeper kills broken up by WH class and further broken up with the below data points
The amount of Melted Nano ribbons collected in each WH class
The value of Blue loot collected in each class of WH
Will most likely edit this post as i think of more useful data points. |
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