those rats are no problem for miners, is it not time to make the fight a bit harder? you get absolutely no damage from them, they are tooooooooooooo easy to handle

maybe make the fight accourding to how much time you have spent on the game, I know there is a limit of how far you can take this, but I think some work need to be done on this

other than that, I love the game, even if I am only a miner

Rookie

The difficulty of asteroid rats jumps quite a bit from the weak frigate rats in 0.5 to the occasional but not particularly uncommon battleship rats in 0.4. I think the highsec rats could use a bit of a steeper climb. Would be nice to see:
1.0: still no rats
0.9: weak frigates even a newbie in a rookie ship with civilian guns can fight
0.8: weak, like level 1 mission rats
0.7: like current 0.5 rats, but also with the occasional destroyer spawns
0.6: frigates, interceptors, destroyers, and sometimes cruisers--light EWAR sometimes
0.5: commonly cruiser rats, sometimes frigates/interceptors that tackle--more EWAR

This would give barges something to fight against every once in a while when mining in lower highsec. Anyone who feels it's too much to handle can easily find a safer mining spot.

There are players in this game that have never flown missions and do not want anything to do with any of the combat aspects of the game.

those rats are no problem for miners...

Try mining in the same belt as a Guristas Extinguisher.

1.) you won't find it in highsec.

2.) even that won't kill much of anything.

Those players should not undock if they wish to avoid combat. Hitting that "UNDOCK" button means you want to enter a combat zone. It's nobody else's problem if these people either fail or refuse to understand that.

To be perfectly honest though, why are these people playing a game that is built on and based around unfair no-holds-barred PvP if they don't want anything to do with combat?

Hummmm no.
The asteroids themselves should be the danger as in every sci-fi movie book, s+¬rie.
Moving asteroids hiting/exploding etc etc

I wouldn't mind seeing harder rats introduced into lower security systems. Perhaps not the incursion AI, but something like in the mining L4s....

Low sec rats could be spiced up as well (more diverse). Main 'problem 'is high sec rats that are mindnumming easy in any high sec system. I don't even notice a difference between 0.7 and 0.5... it's all just little frigs. There may be an ECM frig that pop up, but even if they jam they will just explode 20 seconds later without any effort or danger.

If you want more, go to Low sec or 00 sec. High sec does not need more danger of that kind.

More danger? There is no danger up to now... that was my point. That 1.0 and 0.9 has no rats is okay cos new players start out there, but come on, a 0.6 and 0.5 system should at least have some random spawns that are harder then the little frigs that are not even a threat to new accounts with one T1 drone.

More danger? There is no danger up to now... that was my point. That 1.0 and 0.9 has no rats is okay cos new players start out there, but come on, a 0.6 and 0.5 system should at least have some random spawns that are harder then the little frigs that are not even a threat to new accounts with one T1 drone.

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And I can show you over a dozen lossreports from new players just last week, if you think everyone can handle them.

Excuse for a late answer on this.

First we need to define PvP because there are 2 radically different interpretations.
1. is the traditional 2 or more players go out into space and try to blow each apart. For all of the industrial players I know in the game this is the definition of PvP they use.

2. is an emerging one in the last few years. it maintains that all of EVE is PvP because in some way or another we are all in competition with each other. Miners compete for belts, haulers may compete for contracts, traders trying to beat each other to a sale and the list goes on. While I understand and accept this definition from my point of view there are a lot of players many of them PvP toons that would disagree with it.

If #1 is the definition you use when you claim that EVE is a PvP based game then I disagree with you in the strongest possible terms. And I wonder if this is the definition CCP uses why did they bother wasting the development resources to put all of the other content into EVE? Why did they bother with high sec anyway and why bother with useless things like WD when the entire game could be just one big free for all blast away at each other sandbox.

If #2 is your definition of PvP then I agree with you that Eve is a PvP based game.

To make the rest of this easier for all of us, from here to the end of this post when I refer to PvP I use it based on definition #1 above.

"To be perfectly honest though, why are these people playing a game that is built on and based around unfair no-holds-barred vP if they don't want anything to do with combat?"
That is an excellent question and the answer would be different for everyone so all I can do is give you a composite answer based on 4 years of dealing with players that do not like PvP.

There is no other MMO out there that has the wide range of activities, or the player driven economy that EVE has. It is this wide range of activities and the player driven economy that draws the non-PvP players that I know or have talked to into this game. Despite the suicide ganks, burn Jita's, Ice incursions and all of the other PvP shenanigans that happen in high sec it is this wide range of activities and the player driven economy that keeps them in this game. So I say be thankful for this fact, you would have a whole lot fewer targets if they were not here.