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Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.07.31 11:38:00 - [1] Edited by: Captain Thunk on 31/07/2006 11:38:56 I don't see how using an alt to setup a fake war can be considered a legitimate use of game mechanics. When used this way CONCORD end up protecting the aggressors not the victims. Unfortunately we're seeing more and more of this 'no risk for maximum reward'* strategy, this isn't good for new players and it's not good for the evolution of the game. I agree that nowhere should be safe, but as indicated in this thread there are very few people who know the full ins and outs of can flagging and war rules. while the victims get the right to fight back, in each and every instance lofty or the instigator gets to choose his victim - if by chance he does lose thats just his misjudgement, unlike in low sec no-one can come to the victims aid without being concorded. It's quite clear this is not what CCP intended when they introduced war rules and the situation or being trapped by a fake war is quite absurd. CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.*
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.07.31 12:02:00 - [2] I don't see why being in a gang with someone at war should make you vulnerable at all, to my mind this is a relic from an age long before my time and would be better removed entirely. Ultimately I don't think it matters, I was trying to say earlier that more and more people are stopping actually playing the game and looking harder at how to exploit the rules to garner them risk free combat or ISK. It's advisable not to have any contact at all with people you don't know, chances are they've got some lame plan in mind if they are convo'ing you or asking for help in local - which for a MMO game is the beginning of the end if left unchecked. The fact Lofty is so vocal of his risk free rewards pretty much sums the situation up for me. CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.07.31 12:21:00 - [3] Originally by: Asnar It was made that way cause of gangs with mixed war/non war targets causing a lot of problems... it's much better this way. Odd how the clear label of the red star in overview isn't a good enough game mechanic resulting in these absurd situations CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.07.31 12:30:00 - [4] My advice is that lofty and his ilk should get more alts in with T1 support cruisers as they do not aggress when transferring shields/armour/energy. He can then tank absolutely anything 1vs1 and probably most small fleets. People on WoW forums can then point and laugh at Eve for the absurd and stupid rules that we endure in our quest for maximum reward without ever taking any risk. CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.07.31 12:42:00 - [5] Edited by: Captain Thunk on 31/07/2006 12:42:34 Originally by: Asnar Originally by: Captain Thunk My advice is that lofty and his ilk should get more alts in with T1 support cruisers as they do not aggress when transferring shields/armour/energy. He can then tank absolutely anything 1vs1 and probably most small fleets. People on WoW forums can then point and laugh at Eve for the absurd and stupid rules that we endure in our quest for maximum reward without ever taking any risk. CAPTAIN THUNK What are you on about? You can take those support cruisers out, they'll be flagged. Was one of those other things that caused problems. Not if they're in NPC/non-warring corps and out of gang. They can transfer shields/armour/energy it doesn't flag. If you try to shoot them CONCORD turn up and set you straight on the rules of the game. CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.07.31 13:46:00 - [6] He freely admits he'd never take on such a player - if I recall correctly he said in a previous thread he aims generally for people between oct 2005 - mar 2006 as these yield good loot for no risk to his ship - he may have upped the ante by a few months since. As a result no-one can attack him without taking on CONCORD as well - odd how he's able to use them for his own protection eh? With the support cruisers I mentioned he should be able to take on anyone. I should add that this is pretty common and not just restricted to Lofty, there are people doing this in every major agent hub. CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.

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